Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4209789)

that's because he's so good at his job he's lapped everyone else in the company and is the best face and heel in the company, which also makes him the best tweener

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209795)

Yup, CM Punk has officially become Hulk Hogan: put him with anybody on the roster and he'll sell out arenas.


Punk vs Drew McIntyre would sellout MSG.

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4209796)

Drew McIntyre is someone they actually dropped the ball with, thought he was delightful when he first came up. And I still think he's delightful in 3MB

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4209800)

Don't get Gertner started on 3MB, Goddammit.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209801)

License to print money right there

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4209798)

I remember Ryback's first short promo on Punk. The "Revenge is an admission of pain..." promo. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Fine fucking promo. And people tried to say how ridiculous it is. From that moment I knew that certain people were desperate to try to find reasons to justify their hatred for the guy.

Then the entire crowd chanted "Feed me Punk" with him but only because CM Punk is so good at his job. :roll:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209805)

It's because Ryback doesn't chain wrestle and do 1000 flippidy floos and possess the knowledge of 1500 variations of a Indian Deathlock.

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4209810)

I do love me some Heath Slater

and hate me some Santino

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4209594)

I get that, but I kind of like it because it makes you want to see him get his ass kicked. If he were a face and doing it? Now THAT would be stupid.

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4209823)

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209820)

Regal and Maddox together on NXT a couple of weeks ago was one of the funniest things I've heard in the WWE in a while.

Love how wwf-fan checks out of the thread the minute talk turns to the greatness that is Heath Slater and 3MB

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209826)

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger (Post 4209472)

Why not, they can be cool. Reigns looks like a bouncer of a club.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209826)

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4209829)

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4209864)

I wouldn't be so sure. Pretty much any Samoan wrestlers are cousins of The Rock. Including The Uso's and Manu who didn't exactly go places.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209615)

Went and did some research. I've been saying for a while that the company has too many guys around 6"2-6"4 240 and under. Here's a list


Alex Riley
Bo Dallas
Chris Jericho (obviously excluded from the stereotype)Camacho
Christian
CM Punk (ugh, I'll exclude him)
Cody Rhodes
Curtis Axel
Damian Sandow
Daniel Bryan
Darren Young
Dean Ambrose
Dolph Ziggler (excluded)
Drew McIntyre
Epico
Evan Bourne
Fandango
Heath Slater
Hunico
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
Jinder Mahal
JTG
Justin Gabriel
Kofi Kingston
The Miz
PRimo
R-Truth
Randy Orton (excluded)
Rey Mysterio
Sin Cara
Tyson Kidd
Santino Marella
Seth Rollins
Ted DiBiase
Tyson Kidd
Yoshi Tatsu
Zack Ryder


Now, excluding Jericho, Ziggler, Punk and Orton who are considered main event guys, that leaves 34 out of 54 guys on the roster who are 6"4 AND 240 and under. Now subtract part timers Brock Lesnar, The Rock, HHH, William Regal and the Undertaker and you're left with only 15 guys on the active roster bigger than 6"4 or 240. That is RIDICULOUSLY unbalanced.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209843)

"Ack! What's a 12 year old boy doing in our locker room"

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4209871)

That is the same weight and height group as the two greatest of all time.



Your argument is invalid.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209766)

People compare wrestling to a soap opera. I compare them to Superheros. Now who is going to catch your eye with that comparison: 6"0 225 Dean Ambrose who you could see walking down the street and not blink an eye or Ryback who is a monster and catches your eye?

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209878)

I'll state this for the last time because I'm convinced people are retarded: if you are a smaller wrestler then you had better have personality coming out of your ass to be a top level guy. Who in that list can you say that about? Exactly. Check and mate.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209878)

I'll state this for the last time because I'm convinced people are retarded: if you are a smaller wrestler then you had better have personality coming out of your ass to be a top level guy. Who in that list can you say that about? Exactly. Check and mate.

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4209885)

Daniel Bryan doesn't have personality?

Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 4209884)

My favorite wrestlers and some of the most popular and iconic ones of all time are:

Ric Flair 6'1 who got his super-hero vibe from being insanely charismatic and also by "peacocking"

Scott Hall who was a big guy and great on the mic' and fits your criteria.

Diamond Dallas Page who was just barely meets the criteria and always came off to me like a smaller guy who was just amazing.

Mick Foley who wasn't so tall even when he wasn't hunched over and was more fat than anything even in his best shape (shapes?).

Taz was a midget but I loved him and how he was booked in ECW.

Giant was great and had fun matches that felt big and was okay on the mic, never got into him as the Big Show.

Steve Austin and The Rock, don't need to explain these.

Randy Savage who was 6'2 and under 240 but always looked awesome and bigger than life and was believable against Hogan. Genius on the mic too.

Shawn Michaels who made up for his size by being crazy talented and charismatic.

Roddy Piper was bigger than life and great in the ring.

I think you're right about "bigger than life" characters being important, but it doesn't necessarily mean someone who just looks big and athletic. Having a look period or at least making up for it by being a living cartoon like DDP or Flair. Guys who have been way way over had it all, Hogan had a look, charisma and great booking, Austin and Rock were the same.

Of the new generation we have had a few people to fit the bill and I know you'll disagree with me on a few of these. Cena has a great look and unbelievable strength, can go in the ring, is booked like a monster most days (wolverine healing ability), can be great on the mic and sells tickets and merchandise. Batista had the look, sold the merchandise, had the ability to be good on the mic as a heel (Hollywood Batista). CM Punk has a great look, is great in the ring and on the mic and sells a lot of merch, probably pulls in a lot of tickets too.

Nearly everyone else I can think of is missing some aspect, be it that they're generic looking, lack charisma or whatever. There aren't many total packages. Ryback has no charisma and so is forced to yell a lot and most of it is incomprehensible, but he looks great and he definitely should be used and given a shot to get better. Jeff Hardy had the look and the talent, but sucked balls on the mic, sold crazy amounts of merchandise though. Edge without his beard and his sex-life was really just a guy who was good in the ring and had a finisher that should not have worked as well as it did on big guys.

I could go on but I won't...

Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4209905)

I think Spirit Squad Nicky would totally kick the poo poo outta Dolph Ziggler. He was way more artful in the combat we call the rassle!

Originally Posted by Crazy Edgar (Post 4209918)

Like them but I don't understand the talk about these guys not being Main Event timbre. Its been 6 months into their WWE career, and I don't know if they'll do it or flop if given that opportunity, but it seems quite premature and joyless to even be considering something like that. Just enjoying the ride while it lasts.

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4209916)

Them dancing in the ring was hilarious.

DB could definitely be a top level guy not THE guy, but up there.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4209878)

I'll state this for the last time because I'm convinced people are retarded: if you are a smaller wrestler then you had better have personality coming out of your ass to be a top level guy. Who in that list can you say that about?

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4210095)

Fandango.

Johnny Curtis could be the face of the company if handled right. He's amazing.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4210111)

Fandango, or Johnny Curtis?

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4209934)

I wish Nash stayed forever

Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 4209390)

When I watched regularly I used to complain about how there weren't enough tag teams and stables and now I'm pretty happy with what I see. They're interesting even though I have no point of reference for who they are, why they wear D-lo style chest protectors and what their motivation is. I saw them fight Kane, Bryan and Kofi and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I'd love to see all six of them in a TLC match, think it'd be crazy over like the E&C VS. Hardy Boyz Ladder match and subsequent Dudley feud etc.

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 4210368)

Funny how everyone keeps bagging on Seth's lack of mic skills, but no one mentions (or even knows because they missed his short NXT stint) that Reigns is HORRIBLE on the stick. He makes Rollins sound like Ric Flair by comparison. However, the whole "I only speak when I need to" vibe has done the perfect job of hiding that well.

And that's one of the things that helps The Shield to work. They hide any flaw that would have hampered them individually AND ensured they all get the opportunity to work on that detriment. Where they were at the introduction of them as The Shield, if they were called up individually:

-Roman Reigns "looks the shit", and is okay in shorts bursts in the ring, since he was poised to have squash matches to make him look legit and intimidating. However, when you have so many other people doing that same "oh, look at me, I'm a big powerhouse!!!" thing right now (Ryback, Big E, Mark Henry, Big Show, Sheamus, then also potentially Mason Ryan, Bronson, what's left of Ascention, etc...) it would have been easy for him to be lost in the shuffle and fall off the planet like so much Zeke Jackson. On the mic, he seemed more uncomfortable than David Otunga was during the pre-Nexus NXT stint, which isn't good when you're supposed to be coming off as smug and overconfident. He would have needed a mouthpice, or at the very least, a very vocal tag team partner to gain any traction outside of the "me too" big man schtick.

-Seth Rollins, who again gets shit on because he isn't setting the world on fire with his promo ability, is actually pretty good considering where he is and how long he's been there. He doesn't quite have the ability to instantly hook you with charisma just by being there, but he can draw you in. He can go in the ring, but I'm convinced that if he didn't happen to look similar to CM Punk and kinda got a shot from striking while that iron was white hot, he would have been one of those guys who languished around jerking curtains and pulling Superstars duty on the main roster and been a tremendous waste of time and talent with no discernable direction.

-Dean Ambrose has the opposite charismatic ability of Rollins in that you can instantly see he's special. He has the indy cred of being a natural, but of course that would work serve to hamper him since that makes him a) and indy darling, and garners instant hatred from snobby fans who think that such hype should never ever happen because unapologetic fanboys who want to see the new guy in the WWE main event picture RIGHT NAO!!1! turn them off from even wanting their name brought up, and b) they weren't "home grown" by WWE, so they allow a lot of that buzz to dissapate instead of saying "hey, we got a good thing landing on our lap, let's roll with it and see what happens". With all the Youtube clips of very talented promos, a massive nod from Mick Foley AND William Regal for his talent, and the fact that he has a grasp on not just ringwork, but psychology to boot... WWE would have likely saw fit to repackage this guy as something goofy (for him) and not allow him to show much of that. People seeing him for the first time would think he's a boring asshole who can wrestle good, but has the personality of a shoe through no fault of his own. He might have lucked up on something (injury, accident, Diva's poll) to capitalise on it one day, but that day wouldn't have come soon enough.

Collectively, however, they all fill in the gaps. The gimmick of them being "as a cohesive unit whose egos aren't bigger than the collective group" is actually better personified as them being one perfect superstar. Reigns brings the brutal power move muscle; Rollins flys around the ring, Ambrose takes opponents to the mat. Their "jump in" promos give Ambrose the opportunity to showcase what he can do, and allows Rollins and especially Reigns to work on talking. Reigns brings the intimidation that the other two wouldn't
neccessarily garner alone. Ambrose has the "it" factor the other two don't, and Rollins is somewhere between the two- briding the gap by looking more fearsome than Dean, but exuding more charisma than Roman. It's a good balance and a unique way for them to grow into legit singles competetors down the road by compensatin
g for and overcoming their weaknesses with time and effort and being afforded that time and effort because of
their unique position within the company right now.

Originally Posted by scatterbrain28 (Post 4210452)

E+C and Dudleys were tag teams in the 00's. They gave these guys one hell of a push, but no serious tag teams to fight. They can't fight Team Hell No every single PPV.

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4210493)

I've already stated numerous time that Reign's mic skills suck and posted a video of such. There is nothing special about this group at all and it's gonna result in a failed face push for one and a complete waste of time for this whole thing.

Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 4210514)

They remind me of Team RECK without the Kurt Angle type.

Originally Posted by DeathtotheSwiss (Post 4210514)

They remind me of Team RECK without the Kurt Angle type.