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Evil Vito 12-29-2014 12:59 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Looking back, putting Cesaro with Heyman was just a really dumb move. I mean it could have been salvaged with Cesaro winning MITB and cashing in on Lesnar later, but as it played out it was really all a bit of a waste.

They spent months building to Cesaro turning on his evil manager, only to have him immediately align with another evil manager. It's not a very satisfying conclusion. It's like Charlie Bucket being about to inherit the chocolate factory only to sell the Everlasting Gobstopper to Mr. Slugworth.</font>

#1-norm-fan 12-29-2014 10:46 PM

I thought the idea of putting him with Heyman was awesome. The pairing was perfect. The execution booking-wise was shit. As was all of the attempted Heyman pairings after Punk. It was like they thought putting Heyman in someone's corner makes them a star and no work needs to be done. Unfortunately you still actually have to put some effort into booking them as a threat. They failed.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 03:31 AM

I agree with fan there. I think the announcement and potential of the pairing made perfect sense. Cesaro had "upgraded" and join the company of the man who ended The Undertaker's streak at WrestleMania. Cesaro should have been a big deal then and there.

Adding Rob Van Dam to the feud was shit. It was convoluted and watered down the personal issues between Swagger and Cesaro. Swagger should have played good heel, and put over the "still technically a heel but super-over" Cesaro at Extreme Rules, and just look generally outclassed towards the end.

Sheamus was a great choice for a Payback opponent for Cesaro -- what was not great was the story being about the US Title. Cesaro was past mid-card titles at this point, as was Sheamus. Dean Ambrose could have been made an interesting fighting champion who was forced to defend the title every week whilst feuding with Evolution, and if he did drop it to someone, someone with Authority backing would have been good. Maybe even Randy Orton, completing his active Grand Slam.

Chicago was a smark town, so I imagine that even though Cesaro was the bad guy, they would have been cheering his offense. A clean win for Cesaro over the then aimless Sheamus would have been great for Cesaro and no harm to Sheamus.

Then you're at Money in the Bank, and Cesaro would have made a great choice to win that thing. As it turns out, Seth Rollins did a great job, but losing Money in the Bank wouldn't have been a big deal for Cesaro. He could have gotten angry at himself for missing that golden opportunity, and turned up the aggression heading into Battleground, where he could beat a Superstar he targets in the wake of MITB. Perhaps even someone like Big Show? It wouldn't be a MOTY candidate, but if he managed to swing Big Show? Whoa.

Heyman also only really talked about Brock Lesnar. What were his plans for Cesaro with Brock Lesnar as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion? At some point, there could only be one. Babyfaces should have been trying to tell Cesaro that he is being used by Heyman, only for Cesaro to explain to them that he knows what he is doing. Gives him time to practice too.

The tension would no doubt build between Lesnar and Cesaro. Maybe they butt-heads in a match against John Cena and Daniel Bryan at Fast Lane later this year in that scenario, or in a RAW segment. Brock might still leave after WrestleMania, but maybe they could convince him to extend his contract after dropping the title to Bryan to Extreme Rules, and have him put over Cesaro in a huge grudge match between Heyman Guys.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-31-2014 07:34 AM

Money in the Bank is where it all unraveled. He was in the World Title ladder match but didn't really factor into the match at all. They did the pulling tower spot but that was pretty much his involvement in the match. Paul Heyman didn't even cut a promo on the show. :(

Rammsteinmad 12-31-2014 08:12 AM

I would love to see Cesaro swing Lesnar.

Destor 12-31-2014 08:57 AM

Short answer: charisma

Jaded-Dragon 12-31-2014 08:44 PM

I can't buy the charisma deal. Entire arenas were behind him leading up to WM, he gets a surprise entry into the Battle Royal and wins with an impressive last elimination. He was primed for a nice face run, maybe not title picture or main event just yet, but he was heading that direction.

And then boom, they stick him with heel manager Paul Heyman.... why? Now, I'm a Heyman guy and I know the reason was so that he could be a mouth piece for him, but in all reality he would have been better off getting thrown in the deep end with no life preserver. In the long run you lost what could have been a top face (would have been nice with Bryan and Reigns going out) and traded it in for a opening match heel with zero heat?

I dunno, I don't buy the no mic skills excuse either. Randy Orton was boring as fuck on the mic for a loooong time, all the while he was winning championships.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 08:47 PM

Cesaro doesn't have the right accent to be bad on the mic. He doesn't sound threatening and even a little goofy. I love the guy, but he should work his best at trying to Americanize his voice and make himself like a killer.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 08:47 PM

Cesaro swinging Lesnar would be money.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 08:48 PM

I agree on with Jaded-Dragon on the point about charisma. Cesaro has it. There's a wall up sometimes, but most of the time is on. I saw him kick a Christmas present on Superstars and marked out.

Bad News Gertner 12-31-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon (Post 4563234)
I can't buy the charisma deal. Entire arenas were behind him leading up to WM, he gets a surprise entry into the Battle Royal and wins with an impressive last elimination. He was primed for a nice face run, maybe not title picture or main event just yet, but he was heading that direction.

And then boom, they stick him with heel manager Paul Heyman.... why? Now, I'm a Heyman guy and I know the reason was so that he could be a mouth piece for him, but in all reality he would have been better off getting thrown in the deep end with no life preserver. In the long run you lost what could have been a top face (would have been nice with Bryan and Reigns going out) and traded it in for a opening match heel with zero heat?

I dunno, I don't buy the no mic skills excuse either. Randy Orton was boring as fuck on the mic for a loooong time, all the while he was winning championships.

Lol cmon, Randy Orton is ten times better on the mic than Cesaro

Destor 12-31-2014 10:26 PM

He seriously doesnt have it. Getting over doesnt mean you have chrarisma. Charisma is getting a Channel surfer to stop and watch. A quality all true main eventers have. Sommething he ziggler barett and all the guys scratching to burst through the main event scene lack.

Vastardikai 01-01-2015 02:56 AM

I think Cesaro may be better suited for Global Force Wrestling, should it take off.

#1-norm-fan 01-01-2015 09:50 AM

I love Cesaro. He's definitely useful somewhere on the card.

That Raw promo was a big part of why he's not a main guy though.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-01-2015 10:38 AM

Well maybe he can tell us how he read Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone and how it changed his life.

Bad News Gertner 01-01-2015 02:36 PM

He's good as Ryback's bitch


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