Mick Foley has posted another blog with suggestions from a writer that messaged him:

“The Divas division now has to consist of independent concurrent story lines. The WWE Universe wants to see a fight. Grudge matches. One versus one. Leave your entourage in the back. That is a big match feel. Not contrived weekly variations of all the Divas put together for a couple of segments. They need a WORLD Championship. And, a WORLD Tag Team Championship. This is why the Barclays trolled their Raw match. Their Summerslam Elimination match didn’t allow for the opportunity for the final-two-competitors pop. Big difference between those two examples and Saturday night. Frankly, The Sasha/Bayley pre-match video package gave me more chills. I don’t know if Sara del Rey works with the main roster Divas, but she should.”

I think it's on point to the part where we need to start seeing some one-on-one dynamics come through. There needs to be some grudge potential exploited here.

Knew this would fail. Nobody gives a fuck about Women's wrestling. Why would I want to watch two women doing something that two men can do ten times better.

Plus women's gait. Don't forget about the gait.

Well in all fairness, it's not like it was given a fair chance.

the fuck it wasn't, they have bombarded my tv with their extra segments, they have their own fucking tv show and they got a push to spite aj lee. they just suck is all

Banks vs bayley/lynch were both argueably better than anything done on the roster by the men this year.

It can work. Won't happen overnight but it will never happen the way they are doing it now. They didn't actually change anything. They're still booking the same way as they have all these years, just with a few more divas thrown in.

Show the people what these girls can really do, and invest in their characters like they do on nxt, and people will be far less likely to take a piss break.

The fact that you just referenced Total Divas only illustrates that you missed the point.

What they present on NXT and what they've presented in Raw, even since the call ups, are two entirely different products.

Go watch the Takeover match, and then compare that match and the build behind it to what they've shoehorned onto main television, and tell me it's the same.

It is clearly and concisely, not, in any way?shape or form, the same. That's the point. The whole Revolution was supposed to take what was going on in NXT and translate it to main programming, and that hasn't happened at all.

This is my thread

to your point, i have never watched 10 seconds of their reality show because i find any wrestling related reality show to be counterproductive, protect the business, not expose it. so i find total divas dumb as tough enough.

also i don't watch their matches on NXT nor raw, i fast forward. and its not cause i see a difference in the quality, its the fact that women dont have compelling storylines.

i will stipulate all ive seen on raw is 3 teams of three coming out and yapping and its already tiresome.

Then your opinion is invalid. How can you say "the fuck it wasn't, they have bombarded my tv with their extra segments, they have their own fucking tv show and they got a push to spite aj lee. they just suck is all" when you haven't even seen anything that's been done on NXT that started the whole idea that women's wrestling could be a viable component of the company.

It's kinda silly, really.

It is of no accord, but Total Divas has already been outed as fabricated, pre-written drama that is there solely for entertainment, despite initially impacting "the Diva's title".

if you give wrestler X, lets say austin extra tv time each week and he does nothing with it, he doesnt promote a ppv, a feud, sell merch, and fumbles over his lines in promo did you give him a push and he dropped the ball? or is it the writers fault? you had that dumb cunt on there last night saying "wins and losses dont matter" . they suck on the mic, they cant go in the ring, and they are all butterfaces.

Remember when Ric Flair said "wins and loses don't matter"?

i doubt ric flair would use grammar that poor! wooooooo

Inno remembers.

Hillshire Farms remembers too.

How do you know they can't go when you all you've seen is the same old shit on Raw but nothing of NXT, where the women are taken seriously and actually given real material to work with?

Austin couldn't sell peanuts in the crowd with the Ringmaster shtick he as given. Nobody gave two fucks about that guy until they allowed him to open up and do his thing. Same goes for the Rock.

I don't even know why you feel the need to voice an opinion when you have yet to even bother watching the actual product people are clamoring for. You keep trying to say they suck but have willingly limited yourself to one point of exposure. How dumb.

If you are given 6 minutes to work a match on nxt and 6 minutes to work a match on raw it should translate to the same thing. If its good it should carry. Are you saying on nxt they get 30 minute matches? Sasha banks is fucking hideous to look at and any match involving her feuding over the term of being bossy is not entertaining. My point is yes it takes time for a guy to get some material he can sink his teeth into, a feud that elevates both guys to where you are rooting for one strongly, an ehausting title chase for a strap. Those are reasons to invest. Im asking you ray to find me a storyline where two broads have a feud that would be compelling. Whats it gonna be, she dissed me on total divas? She stole my purse? They dont have anything for fans to invest in

You sound like a pissed off gay man complaining because the Divas take time away from you watch the men perform. Sasha Banks can go and if they would let her on the main roster it would be great.

Once more, proving yourself an idiot. You haven't seen anything on NXT where they're given real storylines, longer matches and their characters actually have context.

Another dumb statement. Of course it's not going to always translate you dope. You have two entirely different entities booking the matches. Not to mention, how would you know if the same should translate, since you, again, don't watch NXT.

Go back and actually watch something before posting and making yourself look like a nincompoop. You clearly have zero idea what you're talking about

Since I appreciate your clever insults as way of communication, give me something from.nxt to watch wheres the best girl on girl match to start with. What will blow my mind?

Nope. You can do that on your own pal. It's not my responsibility to hold your handand walk you through matches that have taken place with dedicated threads the last two years.. Go read the takeover threads and figure it out for yourself

So basically you got nothing. Figured. You keep shouting this nxt fanboy shit about its so different and im still trying to get one question answered that you are dodging. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATCH ABOUT, WHAT ARE THEY FEUDING OVER. WHAT STORY IS BEING FUCKING TOLD YOU DOLT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT FANS INVESTING IN A MATCH MEANS? IF GENERIC LOOKING WOMEN COME DOWN TO THE RING AND HSVE A SLOPPY MATCH OVER NOTHING WHY DON'T YOU GET IT THAT THE MASSES DONT GIVE A FUCK.

There's plenty out there for you to watch. But that's gonna be done on your own accord. If you're too stupid and lazy to look at the takeover thread from 3 days ago to figure out that, hey, there as helluva women's match on that card that stole the show and told a great story, then you can't be helped.

If you were actually smart enough to watch the match instead of coming back to your keyboard making yourself look like a complete moron, you may have figured that out already. Instead of giving Fan more ammo to call you the worst poster ever, why don't you watch the match from Saturday and come back and try and say it's exactly the same as the shit they put on television. Go ahead.

Fan is a fucking moron. Hes probably canadian. Im watching kerry von erich whoop mr perfect right now (underrated theme for texas tornado for 1990 dont you agree) then I will scope oit your GLOW dreammatch and give you my opinion on the precious ladies

Lol don't even watch GLOW. I'm a dubbya dubbya e guy. Can't believe you have the network and have seen zero diva matches in nxt. Go watch every takeover ever and come back then and only then.

I watch the shit of nxt. I just cant stand women's wrestling. And not even to the point of simplefuck saying its a gay issue. Its really the women are crowd killers. And yea I never watched glow either I was just making jokes. That shit looked worse than even divas. Remember that donna costello lady from the forst survivor series. Haha

Even if they were, I still just can't take them seriously. Different strokes for different folks.

Observer ended up revealing a bit of the story he heard about the plans changing. He did confirm Cena has been vocal in the past when plans were for Nikki to drop the belt but couldn't confirm if that was done again for the Divas Revolution.

Been implied for a while the other reasons why her reign has been this long is due to the WWE still being petty at CM Punk (and AJ a bit) and Bellas being successful at getting the Total Divas restrictions dropped for storylines. Last one played a big role in AJ long reign ending.

ok DemonRay, here's what i have for you, being as objective as possible

Negative: having stephanie come out and intro, its nitpicking but if you want a big match let it speak for itself. she doesn't need to hype it at the ppv, she needed to prior

positive: the storyline while done alot before gave you a reason to root for bayley, the underdog vs the champ, this is key because its missing from every other womens match, a story. however the twist on this one hurt it a little where it's bayley has had the opportunites just never capitilized. kind of gives it that jobber being pushed vibe. like i say its a plus they gave the match a story.

positive: both entrances were good

negative: a split crowd, now this is debateable but when you have a split crowd you either havent sold the story the way you wrote it out, or the crowd is just stupid and being assholes. it's brooklyn so could be either one. but in a main event where you are trying to push your face over a massive heel the crowd being 50/50 isnt good

positive spots: the sasha kicking bayley off the second rope sold nicely
double knees on top rope
Plancha onto the outside over the ref
corner suplex was solid
ending sequence was nice, the suplex being a basic finisher but both elevated on it to make it look more devastating


negative: 8 mins in theres a short resthold where the camera shows the first 5 rows, crowd is absolutely uninterested

negative: too many fist exchanges for my taste

negative: bayleys botch off the top, nothing major, shit happens

negative: corey graves. nothing the fault of the girls, but to sell a match correctly graves needed to go less heel and more storyline to make it come together at the end. again you are trying to push bayley to champion status so riding her ass the whole match while cosigning every heelish action of banks doesnt sell the final 1-2-3 the way it should

overall to me it was just another womens match. the title being on the line added mmph to it that you dont get on raw but in all honesty anything they did in the ring was trumped simply by kevin owens' entrance. the huggy shit at the end with the 4 horsefaces would have sold better to me if there was some delay in sasha making the gesture. could have been cleaner, a slow rentry to the ring, stare her down, leaving the other girls to wonder, then a handshake, then a hug.

of course, sorry for the noid length.

I think we've pushed Corky Smiley past his breaking point. Aneurysm coming. Good work gang.

Pointless and off topic

Fuckin' muties

Banks vs. Lynch is one of the best matches I have ever seen. I have no problem saying that I think it was better than Cena vs. Owens.

Lmao, wow dude

He's not wrong. Hell of a match.

Every single cruiserweight match I saw on nitro from 95-98 was better than that match

Nope. Nothing was on the line during those interchangable matches. Nothing mattered. Same old shit every week. Fuck that.

Ultimo dragon had like 9 belts, so much on the line. Fuck yea

So does Pepperidge Farm. But Pepperidge Farm ain't just gonna keep it to Pepperidge Farm's self free of charge. Maybe you go out and by some of these distinctive Milano cookies, maybe this whole thing just goes away.

Conversely, the Bailey Vs. Lynch match from NXT with Sasha on commentary was at the level of these Divas' Revolution Raw matches.

It's a weird balance. They need a big time singles match on a PPV though, complete with the major league intros, that'd do more for this than anything.

I enjoyed that Bayley/Lynch match.... Wasn't as good as Bayley/Charlotte, but was still good...

You're wrong. Those matches are clearly just another women's match. Get your head out of your ass.

I have to second what STD said next -- the drama of this match raised it to a much higher level.

Love NXT women's rassling. Which NXT women's rassling match would you like to see next, gang?

More Eva Marie please. Every match is more entertaining than the last. Even her entrance and post match celebrations are cringe worthy.

The one on the left looks like my now dead Aunt Hilda. Who was a lunch lady.

Nothing will come of it. WWE hasn't taken the women's division seriously in over a decade. They do have some good talent. But they get pushed to the side cause the spotlight is on the skank that is currently sucking Cena's roid shrunken cock.

Lol why do you sound so upset about it?

Which of the current bitches has the best mic skills? The bellas sound like idiots on the mic are any of the call ups any better? Dont say paige or the irish one, fuck their accents.


Are any of them better on the mic than past divas? Are trish and lita the benchmark when comparing a diva?


Everyone is in full agreement here that lynch/bayley was a better match than trish/lita that main evented raw?

When you're sitting there claiming you "objectively" find the nxt divas matches no different than the horse shit on Raw, does it really matter in the end what people are gonna tell you?

Of course, I value each and every poster's opinion greatly

I call bullshit. He doesn't need me defending him, but if what you said was actually the case, there's no way you would've gone so far out of your way to be a dick to fan.

NormanSmiley, damn man, who put that red on you? Have you been running roughshod down here?

Lance Storm on the "Divas Revolution"

http://www.stormwrestling.com/082715.html

Q: I've heard two schools of thought on the divas revolution. One, that it's a dud and the same formula with different faces, and second, that it's a proverbial "slow burn" and it will get there in due time. Your thoughts?

A: Before I get into my thoughts on what they are doing let me first state that I am a big fan and supporter of women's wrestling and have a great deal of respect for many of the women involved in the "Divas revolution". For the most part I think the Divas Revolution is being screwed and unless they change the way it is being presented it will fail, or at least not succeed to the level it could or more importantly should. To fully understand why you have to look at how the women are presented in NXT and how that enabled them to get over to the level that they did, and then look at how they are being presented in WWE and consider if that will also allow them to get over to that same level.

In NXT they are women wrestlers, they are competing for the NXT Women's Championship; a title belt that looks credible (actually better than the Men's Title in my opinion) and therefore can be respected. We were never told that the women were going to be taken seriously or that they were going to have good matches and be respected. They were just presented on the show in a respectable light, allowed to focus on competing to be a champion, and given enough time to do a good job if they were able. The women worked hard, had good matches, were given good angles, and fans started to care, and they got over. It was in a sense Organic.

In WWE the women are "Divas" a term when used in any other industry is a derogatory term referring to stuck up bitchy women. They compete (occasionally) for the Diva's Title, which is a purple belt with a butterfly on it. At best this looks like a Barbie toy belt and at worst it's derogatory and offensive because of the female sexual euphemism for butterfly. The women in WWE need a new title belt to compete for and in all honesty it needs to be renamed the WWE Women's World Title.

Furthermore coming out and telling us there is a Diva's Revolution and the women are going to be good and important now, was a big mistake. Don't tell us it's going to be good, just let it be good and we will come to that conclusion all on our own, like we did with NXT. Also in NXT each woman was given her turn to be focused on and chase the title. This allowed us to get behind them and follow their journey and struggle, while keeping the focus on becoming Champion. In WWE we are getting 3 groups of 3, which makes it near impossible to focus on the women individually and form an attachment to any of them and it has completely removed the focus on the title and being a champion.

In NXT the women got over one at a time. Paige won the first NXT Women's Title Tournament in a really good match with Emma, which started the ball rolling. When Paige got called up, she was stripped of the title and another tournament was held. Charlotte won this tournament in an awesome match with Nattie, to set her up and get her over. Sasha was then pushed and focused on and she got over, with Becky in a secondary role. Baylee was used to get Charlotte and Sasha over while building her own underdog status. Becky then got the focus and the push and she got over huge even in losing her title challenge (an amazing accomplishment). The long slow build was then finally paid off with Baylee in Brooklyn and we all saw what a great reaction she got winning the title.

Since the start of the Diva's revolution on RAW the title has not been the focus at all. PCB are faces, Team BAD are heels, and Team Bella float back and forth. All are getting wins and losses, no one is moving forwards or backwards and no individual is getting focus on directly. We are constantly being told it's a new era, but to be honest we are just getting slightly longer, slightly better matches, with a few new faces.

When the crowd on RAW in Brooklyn turned on the women's match it wasn't the fault of the crowd nor the fault of the women, it was the way it was presented. In the promo to set up the match Nikki Bella actually said that wins and losses didn't matter and that these muti-diva matches are pointless. She said the only thing that mattered was the Diva's Title and how she will soon be the longest reigning Diva's Champ of all time. How can anyone be surprised or angry that the crowd gave up on the match that followed when they were flat out told before it started that it didn't matter? Furthermore how can we care about Nikki's long title reign when I doubt anyone even remember the last time she defended it?

I do remember both Sasha and Charlotte making Nikki tap out to win tag matches, a fact that wasn't focus on, nor did it earn them a title match. To get this thing over you have to completely overhaul the way in which it is presented, like they did in NXT. You must focus on each woman in turn with a constant focus on the Championship. Unfortunately because they also have to focus on and promote Total Divas, they have to focus on a large group of women, in particularly the Bellas, so this may be impossible. The Bellas have improved a ton over the last couple years and they are more than capable of having good matches, but in my opinion as long as they are being focused on, this will never feel new.

he's not a person though.doesnt count

some cyberbully, crying cause i don't hold hulk hogan on the same pedastal he does

Lance Storm hitting the nail on the head.

it's almost like hearing myself post, just not in a boring canadian accent

When they started I feared it'd just be a way of keeping people distracted whilst Nikki racked up a couple more months with the belt. Seems that could be the case. Things might change once she breaks the record but it could be too late by then.

<font color=goldenrod>First big Lance Storm "commentary" in a while that I've wholeheartedly agreed with.</font>

Is lance storm usually off base/out of touch?

How'd this guy survive 1200 posts?

His other answers in that same interview/same page (dunno the deal) he seems super curmudgeony/boring

idk

e.g.

Q: Recently a former female wrestler said via social media that she doesn't understand, or like, why people call her by the name she had in WWE. I feel that's a bit of a kick in the nuts to her fans. Would we as fans say "hello Mr Blood" to Ricky Steamboat? Or call Hogan Bollea, Austin Williams etc. Is it unfair for fans to call you the performers by the name that made us follow your work?

A: I think you are putting way too much thought into things. If you are a true fan you will call someone by the name they wish to be called. I assume this lady worked under a different name since her time in WWE and wants to be referred to by the name she owns and can market. Your examples are ridiculous because those people have wrestled under those names in WWE and since and have never used the names you proposed. You are just making a similar argument to the fans that think they should be allowed to call wrestlers by their real names despite wrestlers asking them not too. If you are a fan of the person, respect them enough to call them by the name they wish. Quit making this about you.


chill out dogg

Cause you don't have the stroke to do shit about it herpes boy. Sorry to question lance storm's amazing takes

Yeah doggy he comes off super stay off my lawn guy. Dickish

I think the guy who has actually trained female wrestlers has more right to speak then some shithead sexist like yourself.

Lost in your vitriol is that NormanSmiley is actually agreeing with what Lance Storm is saying. Why is everyone so hostile.

Road dogg, shhhh they dont get it lol

Did SlickyTrickyDamon seriously just call someone sexist?

She looks like one of the Wayans Bros in White Chicks.

Shes way ugly

There is a fake Ultimo Dragon working the deep south circuit. He is so into making people believe he is the real thing that he shows up wearing the mask. And never takes it off.

But he is also like 6'2" pasty white and has a thick ass southern accent.

Are you shitting me? Does he carry all the belts too?

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Smiley is being retarded......LIKE A BOSS!

She looks like an ugly late night stripper with ghetto attitude.shes one step above tamina and that dark black diva

I fucking love your logic though, you find her appealing so everyone else must to. You are onto something there Adolf

I didn't say that but you are full of shit for saying she is ugly. You are probably 350 pounds.

Cheeto Fingers like a Boss.

Why are you calling anyone fat or sexist. Word is you are both.

LOL, I bet he's been handing out white rep dots like a boss. :y:

STD logic = if I dont jerk off to the same girls as you I am fat. Got it

Well this is productive

Nope, drove a troll out who happened to be a girl (maybe.) Flooded threads with inane questions.

So I sure take your word for your in shapeness, but just accept you think im fat cause I dont jerk off to sasha banks?

omg make out already

You really think SmileyGuy (or whatever his name is) has time for such tomfoolery when he's getting ready to fight Fan in a month?

Sasha is larger than her looks, whether she's your type or not.

I want to see Bayley women's rassle Sara Amato (who gets a brief TV run), and Becky Lunch/Charlotte tag team rassle women's rassle Emma/Dana Brooke. One-on-one rassling-wise there, I think Becky Lunch vs. Emma is actually a really fresh women's rassling encounter.

Alexa Bliss vs. Blue Pants is up there too.

I want to see Cassie built up. Give her a "fluke win" over Dana Brook, which gets Emma/Dana both going after her... until Bayley sides with Cassie because she is "in the position that Bayley used to be"...

Cassie McIntosh (who I think now has a ridiculous name like "Peyton Royce") has babyface written all over her. But her name leads me to believe they are going to be presenting her as a stuck-up heel. They do have Billie McKay too. I think they'll be a definitive class of the NXT Women's Division -- like Charlotte, Sasha Banks, Becky Lunch and Bayley have been of this one, and Paige, Emma and Summer Rae were of the last one.

Alexa Bliss, Blue Pants, Dana Brooke, Nia Jax, Cassie and Billie are the next class, but who breaks out is anybody's guess.

Blue Pants isn't even signed to a contract is she?

Every cruiserweight match for 95-98 just about beats ANYTHING they put on the air today. Vince needs to fuck off before he burys the company and let H and Steph takeover before it is too late.

Women can go just as hard as men if given the chance they proved that years ago in TNA when the women's matches rated higher than the mens. But the truth is that the fans really don't want that without getting their share of Titties and Ass and models that spend more time purging in the bathrooms,sculpting in the Gym and prancing in the ring then actually wrestling.

A women's rasslin' tag match would be most grand. I feel like that's the one thing they haven't done. Imagine if they built up a good tag feud so that they could get a legit tag match with some hype going on. They can't even do that with the guys on the main roster!

I'd almost (but not quite) go so far as to suggest that the main divas roster could benefit from having it's own tag team division, complete with a "Divas Tag Team Championship".

Of course, the main reason I'm hesitant to just outright say that it should happen is I feel there's way too much chance of certain teams getting buried and overlooked in favor of a select few competing to be champs. If anything, it would maybe even cause MORE divas to get lost in the shuffle, and nobody wants that.

You guys really need to listen to greg valentine more

After NXT Takeover: Unstoppable, I was of the opinion that NXT Women's Rassling General Manager, Mr. William Regal, should have institutionalized a set of NXT Women's Tag Team Rassling belts. The obvious choice for first champions would have been Charlotte & Bayley, defeating Emma & Dana Brooke in the final match of the women's tag team rassling tournament.

Sasha Banks would have continued her great rassling rivalry with Becky Lynch, culminating in the first-ever NXT Women's Rassling Ladder Match at NXT Takeover: Brooklyn.

Things seem to be moving forward with Charlotte having another stop against Nikki Bella and Paige working with Natalya before moving into the immediate title picture. I can't help but question where Sasha Banks fits into all this. Maybe she slips into the program and she, Paige, Becky Lunch and Charlotte have a Fatal 4-Way down the line?

At least part of me is thinking that maybe Sasha Banks, and even Naomi and Tamina, might benefit from taking a leave of absence for a bit. Banks has the most star potential of any of the girls on the show at the moment, in my opinion, but there's just too many girls trying to get through at once right now. Maybe it would suit Sasha to focus entirely on re-capturing the NXT Women's Championship and bringing Naomi and Tamina with her to NXT. I mean, getting to work down there wouldn't exactly hurt those girls. It could lend them some character focus and help bring along their skills, as well as giving girls like Peyton Royce and Billie Kay a chance to shine in tag matches against them.

Hell, if you had plans for this, you could even break some hearts and have Sasha shockingly win the Women's Title back at Takeover: Respect. The girls could go 0-0 a piece, but then get sudden death, where Sasha cheats to win the title back. Bayley could always win it back in the first-ever Women's Ladder Match presented officially by the WWE (I think Katie Lea and Beth Phoenix had one in OVW -- but they probably wouldn't count it as within their mythos).

That way, at the MSG show, you could have Paige vs. Natalya and The Bella Twins vs. Charlotte & Becky Lunch as your female matches. In the fallout, Alicia Fox is sent to soften up Charlotte, who willingly puts the title on the line (because she's a fighting champion and all), giving her a successful defense on television. Lunch can then force Fox to submit on SmackDown or RAW the next week and The Bellas can snap on her, kick her out of the group, and she can fade away for a few weeks.

Nikki would put over Charlotte again at Hell in a Cell, with Becky running interference against Brie, and then in the following weeks, Alicia Fox returns to announce that she has managed to secure a huge return for the WWE. At Survivor Series, The Bella Twins will face the dream team of Trish Stratus & Lita. Also throw Charlotte vs. Becky Lunch vs. Paige onto that card, and have Sasha Banks make her glorious return to watch the proceedings with her boys in a sky-box.