yeah he's a "main event guy" it'd be weird if he went off into obscurity. He was great with the shield as an up and coming young stud.

He is just a total heel

They should put Dean Ambrose on Raw and just reform The Shield officially. They're better collectively than they are separately IMO, and it's also the one way to guarantee Roman gets cheered because The Shield were over as fuck.

I was on board for a Shield reunion, but I think they can get a lot out of Reigns as a solo act as a heel. Destor is right, in a sense, but he could be so "interesting" if they embraced his "shades of grey."

Good or bad it cant be changed or "fixed." It simply is.

Yea but they make it a point to downplay or outright lie about his reactions.

Its still Important to them that he is seen in a positive light.

For the record I like him right where he is just not enough to cheer.

That's a big part of the problem though and part of the reason why the presentation and writing makes no sense and why interest has dwindled. They script almost everything with a wink and a nod to say it's not legit so we should just take it and enjoy it, all the while saying that "OMG! What just happened is super seriously important guys! Tune in!"

Never got that feeling during the Attitude era. Even though everyone knew it wasn't legit, every aspect of the product was treated with at least a minimal amount of seriousness/consistency, even when it didn't necessarily get over or wasn't executed well. There were no conflicting messages being sent.

Imagine if I ever died. You would have no purpose in life.

Agree to disagree. He has good to great matches on top, gets a huge reaction, sells merch, has carried the mail while Cena has been off, led the company to higher Network subs. I don't see any mistake there.

I get why people don't like him as ab abyface (he's not Daniel Bryan), but if you just look at the performer, you see a hard working dude, that looks like a million bucks, paid his dues, and now is hitting it out of the park. Maybe not as far out of the park as Cena, but Cena was an all time great.

He won a mid card title and was still featured in the main event every week. I agree he doesn't need to be shot down the card but he at least needs to be booked toward his strengths and that something they don't do. Like many have said what actually makes him a face other than he fights the bad guys? The guy has a natural heel look to him and I don't see any thing in him that shouts franchise guy.

I'm curious as to what dues you think he's paid. Was featured prominently in the Shield and was pushed as the star of the group once they split. Maybe you are talking about his time in NXT as Leakee but as far as main roster goes he hasn't.

I thought they were trying to achieve with Reigns what they did with Cena's US Title run. It gets him out of the "main event" spotlight whilst still giving him a segment to carry and a belt to market to kiddies. It didn't work nearly as well with Reigns, because you can feel that no one in the building gave a fuck when he won the belt. A lot of what Reigns has "works on paper," but that's as far as it goes.

But the dude is such a natural heel. Look at the Royal Rumble. The beating he got from The League of Nations that sent him to the back. That was allegedly Reigns' own idea. If that is the case, he even thinks like a heel in real life. That beating made him look like an opportunistic bitch.

Still, I'll take him as RAW Champion over Kevin Owens at this point. I'd slap the belt on Reigns, make him carry it properly and give him new entrance music. Something that makes him feel "different." Sell the Universal Title as something that has evolved Reigns. Then have him squash Goldberg at WrestleMania.

Reigns works his ass off whenever he is out there. It doesn't make up for his lack of babyface charisma, but he works his ass off.

Replying but still avoiding a response to being called out on his strawman and opting for an unrelated insult again.

OUT, NORMAN!

#1-wwf-fan taking up for America. Again. U-S-A! U-S-A!

America, TPWW, tits and beer. The spirit of homeless Norman has returned to take them all from us once and for all.

As commissioner of tpww real fights I need you guys to quiet down. This thread is CyNick's Piper's pit. RESPECT THE PIT

And freedom.

I think Noid might get jumped before his TPWWMania match against CyNick which will require his manager Fan to valiantly step in to the match in his place.

Imagine the crowd reaction. My God.

I'll even sell a beating from mike adamle to get Fan into that match.

Plus you'll have a new opponent set up. Such simple but effective booking even fans of an indy fed like NJPW would love it.

You chalking this ALL up to him not being Daniel Bryan is....well..stupid

At one point maybe that was true ROMAN WAS OVER AS FUCK WHEN HE SAID VERY LITTLE AND JUST WAS THE DESTROYER of The Shield. He was actually quite likeable in his appernce on Conan.

We've been through this Bryan has a spark that Roman just does not have. He never will have it WWE tried to place him as a sympathetic babyface and fans cheered when he got his ass kicked. They tried to make him the determined face who cracks wise at his enemies and it was a rehash of John Cena except Cena is worlds better at it and can go beyond it.

Reigns has terrible shit lines written for him

He NEVER left The Shield


He's decent enough in ring but his style is akin to watching stuff blow up for an hr

Why don't you guys fight in the opener for the RIGHT to be the one to get their hands on me. Should be a bloodbath!

Cena wasn't featured in the main event every week when he was US champion. Had his own segment that was about half way through the show usally. Reigns was even featured in the main event when he was fighting for the US title before he started wrestling Jericho and Owens every week. Don't really understand why he needed the US title as they kind of hand cuffed it with the Universal title but it's on Jericho now so I guess it worked out. I don't think they put it on him with the plan to drop it to Jericho though as I believe they just slapped it on him so he'd have a title and now that they want to put the other title on him he had to drop it.

I agree with you, SF. They didn't copy the Cena method well enough with Reigns. It's weird that you have a WWE Main Eventer (even if he's not accepted as such) holding a mid-card title and a mid-carder holding the "World Title."

You're right there just isn't anything to feel sympathetic for about him. Even when he's had chances to get that big reaction that they want him to get a ducks it up. It was a few months ago and it might have been his feud with Rusev but he had the guy down in the ring with a chair in hand and the crowd wanted him to use it. What did he do, opened up the chair and took a seat. Yeah he eventually used it but he had the crowd in his hands didn't capitalize. Part of that might be him just going by the script of what he's told but at times like that you got to improvise.

There are very few guys on the roster with the balls to do that sort of thing. I can understand that people don't want to rock the boat and they like their positions, but I think that it does subconsciously bury them in fans' minds. When everyone is subservient and just following orders, no one really transcends.

Reigns still wrestles in a fucking protective vest that doesn't do anything.

Now tell me how I'm wrong and how the fans are chomping at the bit for Roman to be champ again

tell me how his winning the belt from Triple H was met with adulation on par with DB.
and how Vince's scheme to force feed Roman to the fans is going according to plan because eventually they'll get tired of booing and just become apathetic allowing the cheers of soccer moms and kids to become dominant.

That's another reason why Cena, Lesnar, Y2J, Goldberg, Rock, HHH, Austin and Taker are more over and bigger than the supposed "main eventers" of today. They don't give a shit about pissing Vince off or losing their jobs. If something isn't right, simply doesn't work, or there's an opportunity to get over or improve the storyline/themselves/etc., they'll speak up and say something or improvise in the moment. Today's main event guys just don't have that edge and are just too complacent, ignorant, lazy or some combo of all, to realize the opportunity and capitalize on it.

The main event of Mania 32 should have been Heel Reigns vs. Babyface Brock for the WWE Title. Just saying. People would LOVE to see Brock beat the piss out of Reigns again.

You shut your dirty whore mouth noid. KO is not mid card.

To be fair, those part-timers have good reason to not worry about pissing Vince off and losing their jobs. They're either set for life, famous enough to go make plenty of money elsewhere or both. The full-timers don't have the same luxury. No more WCW to go to and keep making as much, if not more money.

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you, Seph. :(

God, how wonderful it would be if there were a place for talent to go that could pay them on a comparative scale to Vince. The only downside to it is that if there were such a place, Daniel Bryan might still be wrestling and do some real serious damage to himself. I imagine there might be some sort of modern deal worked out where if you are found to be medically unfit for wrestling you contract gets frozen or a no-compete kicks in. But I'm not sure if that is even legal. I mean, Bryan got independent doctors to clear him too.

There is a place, it's called TNA, but companies not run by Vince are unable to succeed at a large level. But there's nothing stopping any of these companies from signing top talent to improve their product. Or better yet, create their own stars.

Vince is so good, he's now basically recreating the territory system on his own to feed the WWE. Shows that nobody else knows how to make this thing work.

I don't think tna can offer the same base money wwe can offer. Really their only advantage is for guys who have some talent but aren't featured getting a chance to shine with them.

TNA can offer really big money to one or two talents they want to keep happy that can basically run the playground and do whatever they want. It was Angle and Sting that were getting the golden goose eggs when Spike TV was covering them, then it became a Bully Ray playground, and now it belongs to The Hardys. I'd love to see them jump back over to the WWE, but the freedom to do drugs and act the fools whilst being two of the only talents that presumably get paid on time is probably too enticing.