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Destor 08-16-2017 12:01 AM

Never mind it was covered

DAMN iNATOR 08-16-2017 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5002858)
The titles look like shit partially because of it. it's lazy and doesn't actually get guys over now. It's broken.

Ya see, here's the thing, though: It's really NOT. Really.

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5002861)
And Ken Kennedy with an asterisk.

Eh, I wouldn't include him. Sure he won the briefcase, but the only reason he actually failed to cash in was because Edge won it from him, otherwise he was supposedly going to attempt his cash-in @ WM XXIV, however, since he never attempted to cash-in, I don't think he belongs on the list.

Destor 08-16-2017 12:11 AM

Too frequent. Gimmick is buried. Helps no one. Hasnt helped anyone since edge frankly.

Tom Guycott 08-16-2017 12:14 AM

... thus the asterisk.

Outside influences had him drop the briefcase in a non cash-in. That angle didn't play out to completion, even if we are all wrong and he was never supposed to win, dropping it to Edge was as much of a change of career trajectory as the "Mr McMahon's son" angle also being changed from him to Hornswoggle.

Tom Guycott 08-16-2017 12:19 AM

Also, I still wish there was a different outcome in the Sandow/Rhodes feud, where Damien still had the briefcase, but Cody took the contract out... if both men attempted to "cash in" and had legitimate grounds to do so.

But I also still want to see some fuckery where someone cashes in "mid match" and brings his own ref, so that the champion is in two simultaneous bouts: against the #1 ontender and against the MitB holder. Even better if both guys pin a prone champ. Who won the belt?!?!

DAMN iNATOR 08-16-2017 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5002903)
... thus the asterisk.

Outside influences had him drop the briefcase in a non cash-in. That angle didn't play out to completion, even if we are all wrong and he was never supposed to win, dropping it to Edge was as much of a change of career trajectory as the "Mr McMahon's son" angle also being changed from him to Hornswoggle.

Nope, he doesn't belong on the list, with or without an asterisk. He never tried to cash-in. If he had, and then had failed to win the title, sure, he'd be #4, but putting thee contract on the line in a match and losing it is not the same as cashing it in and losing. It's an apples and oranges comparison.

My point still stands that ONLY Cena, Sandow and Corbin have ACTUALLY failed to cash-in.

#1-norm-fan 08-16-2017 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 5002900)
Ya see, here's the thing, though: It's really NOT. Really.

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5002901)
Too frequent. Gimmick is buried. Helps no one. Hasnt helped anyone since edge frankly.


SlickyTrickyDamon 08-16-2017 01:10 AM

Didn't really help Edge that much the first time since he lost the belt like 2 weeks later.

Destor 08-16-2017 01:19 AM

Edge was still a Bonified main eventer thanks to the run that starred with that moment.

RVD was posed to solidified with the case but he jinxed that

#1-norm-fan 08-16-2017 01:33 AM

RVD's was a legit match though. It's the typical "cash in on the knocked out face for heel heat" thing that's dead. Edge was the first to do it and it worked for him because it was new. He basically made a gimmick out of it ("The Ultimate Opportunist"). Since then, it's just been driven into the ground and used as a lazy way to get heels over and it just... doesn't. And it makes the title seem even more meaningless at the same time.

Triple A 08-16-2017 05:38 PM

Moved the Corbin stuff to its own thread: http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=133798

Emperor Smeat 08-16-2017 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5002939)
RVD's was a legit match though. It's the typical "cash in on the knocked out face for heel heat" thing that's dead. Edge was the first to do it and it worked for him because it was new. He basically made a gimmick out of it ("The Ultimate Opportunist"). Since then, it's just been driven into the ground and used as a lazy way to get heels over and it just... doesn't. And it makes the title seem even more meaningless at the same time.

Biggest mistake by the WWE was having 2 MitB cases each year when it became brand specific. Watered-down the specialness of the MitB case and got very lazy with booking people they wanted as future champions.

Only real bright side to Corbin as holder was he didn't get to do the typical multiple failed attempts that also got driven down to the ground.

XL 08-17-2017 12:14 PM

I don't remember an ECW MITB.

Big Vic 08-17-2017 12:37 PM

Yeah I don't think ECW had one, are you thinking of the Sabu/RVD Ladder match?

#1-norm-fan 08-17-2017 12:56 PM

I think the ECW had a "working relationship" with Raw at the time so the RAW MITB match was for ECW, too. Don't know if they could challenge for either title or what. It was all a big, convoluted mess.

Big Vic 08-17-2017 04:18 PM

But there wasn't 3 cases.

KIRA 08-17-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5002884)
I hope Cena squashes Corbin and he starts jobbing to Mojo Rawley.

I personally like Corbin a lot more than Mojo Rawley

#1-norm-fan 08-17-2017 06:00 PM

Seriously though, Cena definitely needs to beat Corbin. Save the "OMGWHATANUPSET" Cena losses for guys who actually have fucking star potential. Enough with giving everyone a win over Cena in hopes of magically getting them over in an instant.

Ol Dirty Dastard 08-17-2017 06:12 PM

Problem is they have a hardon for shitbag corbin and THINK he has star power and will lazily put him over Cena for no fucking reason.

Ol Dirty Dastard 08-17-2017 06:13 PM

Good think about nak is they pushed it as a dream match so while him winning clean was surprising it wasnt some fluke upset cuz of naks reputation at leadt kayfabe wise.

mike adamle 08-17-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 5003155)
Even worse when they had 3 cases because of the ECW brand.

More fake news :roll:

Emperor Smeat 08-17-2017 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5003358)
I don't remember an ECW MITB.

My mistake. Was thinking of how Kane randomly challenged for the ECW belt at a Mania one year and for some reason thought it was because of an ECW case.


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