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#1-norm-fan 10-21-2017 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5029989)
I will laugh my balls off if this is a bait and switch for Jordan.

lol What better way to keep that Reigns heat going anyway...

#BROKEN Hasney 10-21-2017 05:14 AM

Here's your goddamn build

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“<a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a>...our paths haven’t crossed...until <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a>” - <a href="https://twitter.com/FinnBalor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FinnBalor</a> before his match at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWESTL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWESTL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWENetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/beAhhS1PiH">pic.twitter.com/beAhhS1PiH</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921539907818065920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a> responds to the major <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a> shake-up! <a href="https://t.co/CRjPxWRRNp">pic.twitter.com/CRjPxWRRNp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921523637508886528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Better than most long storylines in the WWE already.

slik 10-21-2017 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5029942)
If this thread doesnt show you that the real problem is the audience cant be pleased i dont know what will

I agree

These are fantastic changes, and a great use of making lemonade out of lemons. We get to see Angle wrestle in a couple days + a AJ/Balor's a bit of a dream match

There is nothing to complain about.

Black Widow 10-21-2017 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5030128)
Here's your goddamn build

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“<a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a>...our paths haven’t crossed...until <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a>” - <a href="https://twitter.com/FinnBalor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FinnBalor</a> before his match at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWESTL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWESTL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWENetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/beAhhS1PiH">pic.twitter.com/beAhhS1PiH</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921539907818065920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a> responds to the major <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a> shake-up! <a href="https://t.co/CRjPxWRRNp">pic.twitter.com/CRjPxWRRNp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921523637508886528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Better than most long storylines in the WWE already.

Balor vs. AJ with no storyline > Balor vs. Fatman in drag with storyline.

Sting Fan 10-21-2017 08:57 AM

I might pay for this PPV... If Angle is a bait and switch it will be my last ever unless Styles looks likely to win a title at a Wrestlemania.

XL 10-21-2017 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Widow (Post 5030135)
Balor vs. AJ with no storyline > Balor vs. Fatman in drag with storyline.

Literally not a single person is disagreeing with that statement.

ooTin 10-21-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5029953)
I wonder if Angle will wear tactical gear

He fucking better come out D-lo style with the chest protector, maybe some roller skating knee pads and ankle braces.

slik 10-21-2017 10:08 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daniel Bryan outside of Vince McMahon's limo after hearing the news about Kurt Angle wrestling again <a href="https://t.co/IUdZJ2fFdT">pic.twitter.com/IUdZJ2fFdT</a></p>&mdash; bad hombre (@TeeHaitchGee) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeeHaitchGee/status/921497658971353089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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slik 10-21-2017 12:37 PM

lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">tuesday: SURVIVOR SERIES IS THE ONE SHOW OF THE YEAR WHERE IT’S BRAND AGAINST BRAND!!!<br><br>friday: <a href="https://t.co/xQkl5BfClg">pic.twitter.com/xQkl5BfClg</a></p>&mdash; Brian Maxwell Mann (@BrianMaxMann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianMaxMann/status/921490437193465856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Stickman 10-21-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5030128)
Here's your goddamn build

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“<a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a>...our paths haven’t crossed...until <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a>” - <a href="https://twitter.com/FinnBalor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FinnBalor</a> before his match at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWESTL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWESTL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWENetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/beAhhS1PiH">pic.twitter.com/beAhhS1PiH</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921539907818065920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/AJStylesOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AJStylesOrg</a> responds to the major <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWETLC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWETLC</a> shake-up! <a href="https://t.co/CRjPxWRRNp">pic.twitter.com/CRjPxWRRNp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921523637508886528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Better than most long storylines in the WWE already.

Why is AJ cutting a promo in his gear outside his hotel room?

#BROKEN Hasney 10-21-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stickman (Post 5030171)
Why is AJ cutting a promo in his gear outside his hotel room?

Because he's in South America right now, so probably the only place to do it before flying out.

Danny Electric 10-21-2017 03:12 PM

Maybe they just get Kane to come out an say that the spirit of Katie Vick caused them all to be ill .

Gerard 10-21-2017 04:28 PM

Nice to see Angle back ion the ring, finally, but i suppose we're just meant to forget the Shield borderline threatening Angle on raw. :shifty:

Savio 10-21-2017 05:19 PM

Viral meningitis vs elevated liver enzymes at Wrestlemania

#BROKEN Hasney 10-21-2017 05:25 PM

WresrlingInc was reporting that it's actually mumps, so could have a triple threat.

KIRA 10-21-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5030204)
WresrlingInc was reporting that it's actually mumps, so could have a triple threat.

Were their parents all anti-vax nutjobs before it bacme a thing?

Emperor Smeat 10-21-2017 06:02 PM

F4W's Bryan Alvarez reported WWE considering using up a Lesnar date for TLC as part of their current panic plans for the event.

#BROKEN Hasney 10-21-2017 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 5030208)
Were their parents all anti-vax nutjobs before it bacme a thing?

Bo is a conspiracy theory nutjob so it wouldn't shock me if that came from his parents and him and Bray weren't vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5030209)
F4W's Bryan Alvarez reported WWE considering using up a Lesnar date for TLC as part of their current panic plans for the event.

Read this as a Lesnar date as in he takes a woman out for dinner. Not exactly a thrilling segment.

#1-norm-fan 10-21-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5030209)
F4W's Bryan Alvarez reported WWE considering using up a Lesnar date for TLC as part of their current panic plans for the event.

Well that seems unnecessary.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 06:54 PM

Holy shit, what the fuck is happening?

I'm not going to complain about Kurt Angle being back in a wrestling ring, but I never thought it would happen. I thought it was going to be a "let's never talk about this" scenario. They've obviously discussed it and cleared it.

I can understand why people are weird about this. Angle stepping back into a ring should be more than him as a replacement for someone. But then I remembered that Angle might get to interact with Cesaro. I'm not going to cry about that ever.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5030209)
F4W's Bryan Alvarez reported WWE considering using up a Lesnar date for TLC as part of their current panic plans for the event.

At this point that seems like it would be overkill. At least save something for the next outbreak, jeez.

Simple Fan 10-21-2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5030209)
F4W's Bryan Alvarez reported WWE considering using up a Lesnar date for TLC as part of their current panic plans for the event.

Not really needed when you have Kurt Angle returning and AJ Styles in a interbrand match with Finn Balor. Should be enough to satisfy anyone really wanting to see the Shield that bought tickets and Angle and Styles probably give them more viewer's on the Network than the original plans anyway. Who would he even wrestle is the question?

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 07:00 PM

The way WWE is responding to this, probably Shinsuke Nakamura at this point.

Simple Fan 10-21-2017 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5030225)
The way WWE is responding to this, probably Shinsuke Nakamura at this point.

That's about the only opponent I'd be down with, that or Samoa Joe if he's ready to return.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 07:17 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if Joe ends up at the show as an extra "surprise." Wouldn't surprise me if they medically clear Bryan at this point. Got no clue what the fuck is going on.

KIRA 10-21-2017 08:03 PM

Bo Dallas aka Patient Zero should get a raise and a push for all he has contributed.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 08:19 PM

Apparently TLC is in Minneapolis? And they decided this was going to be a show that they didn't use Brock for?

ooTin 10-21-2017 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5030250)
Apparently TLC is in Minneapolis? And they decided this was going to be a show that they didn't use Brock for?

Surprise run in by brock...but when?

Blonde Moment 10-21-2017 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ooTin (Post 5030255)
Surprise run in by brock...but when?

Balor vs. AJ to turn it into a 3 way?

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ooTin (Post 5030255)
Surprise run in by brock...but when?

All hell breaks loose at the end.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 10:32 PM

Actually, I say that Elias trashes Minneapolis and then Brock comes down and kills him.

Mr. Nerfect 10-21-2017 10:55 PM

They've also got Axel, who I believe is getting ironically cheered? Why not put him against Jason Jordan who is getting booed? They sort of tie into the main event too. Put Axel over with the Perfect Plex in front of his grandfather.

A.J.K 10-21-2017 11:26 PM

with all of these illnesses going on, maybe just maybe WWE will clear Daniel Bryan.

Emperor Smeat 10-22-2017 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5030223)
Not really needed when you have Kurt Angle returning and AJ Styles in a interbrand match with Finn Balor. Should be enough to satisfy anyone really wanting to see the Shield that bought tickets and Angle and Styles probably give them more viewer's on the Network than the original plans anyway. Who would he even wrestle is the question?

Probably would be just him and Heyman addressing Jinder's challenge a day earlier than originally scheduled and eat up some time on the ppv.

Reigns being out really messed up the PPV since the original plans were for the TLC match to have a huge amount of time. Probably in the range of 45 minutes to over an hour.

Mr. JL 10-22-2017 12:08 AM

I like it but there is no way in hell that Kurt Angle is "healthier" than Daniel Bryan.

SlickyTrickyDamon 10-22-2017 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl The Gay Janitor (Post 5030289)
with all of these illnesses going on, maybe just maybe WWE will clear Daniel Bryan.

lol no

SlickyTrickyDamon 10-22-2017 12:26 AM

Maybe Lesnar comes out and beats up Curtis Axel cause lol

DrA 10-22-2017 03:26 AM

It's interesting how quickly they went to AJ Styles when their backs were against the corner. It's as if they know that's the kind of stuff the fans really want to see, and when there's some emergency and they have to abandon their stupid plans for whatever reason, that's when they realize that they have no other choice but to give the fans what they want as a last resort.

XL 10-22-2017 03:34 AM

At the risk of coming across as an “unpleaseable internet fan” even further; I wouldn’t be having Finn in the paint for this match with AJ.

Danny Electric 10-22-2017 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5030317)
At the risk of coming across as an “unpleaseable internet fan” even further; I wouldn’t be having Finn in the paint for this match with AJ.

Got to agree with you on this , makes no sense to have the demon persona. He should come out as normal with his 'Balor Club' logo on the screen.

Danny Electric 10-22-2017 04:32 AM

Also due to having a week off work I most likely will be staying up to watch this , first time I've done that in ages.
Got to agree with people's views on Jason Jordan ended up involved somehow , maybe he was helping The Shield all along and he was the one who attacked and tied up Curtis Axel backstage.

Rammsteinmad 10-22-2017 06:50 AM

Angle will make his entrance to get the crowd to pop, but will probably be attacked and "taken out" before the match begins/he takes any relevant bumps. At this point it'll be a 5-on-2 squash against Ambrose and Rollins, until Kane and Strowman will have some kind of disagreement and will brawl off into the crowd and disappear. This evens the playing field a bit so that the SHIELD can get some offence in. From this point either team will win but there's your match. :y:

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2017 07:16 AM

That's the "smart" way of playing it, but I think people get pissed if Angle is teased and then isn't Angle. If he can't be Angle, don't use him as Angle. That's why this is so weird, because if they are protecting him, then he shouldn't be there, so I assume he's going to do something, which is scary and exciting because I never thought they planned to use him this way (otherwise they would have used him this way).

The Bryan stuff is not as ridiculous as people think too. The stuff with brain injuries is still new footing for medical science and stuff. Obviously Bryan shouldn't be wrestling -- should anyone? He's found doctors who can clear him. I'm sure a large part of the WWE keeping Bryan out of the ring is because they don't want to undercut the medical opinion of their guy, to remain conservative on the issue and partially to keep him in a role where him being the preferred choice is not going to interrupt their story telling. If they are certain Bryan wants to wrestle and he won't cave on the issue, he has the medical opinions he can do it, the idea that Vince won't get the WWE doctor to re-evaluate Bryan and suddenly he is cleared to work part-time is not completely out of the realm of possibility.

I was in the "Bryan will never wrestle for WWE camp" for a little while, but now I'm not sure at all. There's just too much grey area with grey matter. The PR stuff doesn't make sense now, because if they release him he'll go to New Japan and do harder stuff. At least under their roof they can watch him.

It's certainly an interesting time ahead, and I think it's a far bigger story than some people think. There will be a nice, meaty 5-to-10 year contract shoved under Bryan's nose sometime next year, and it could change the direction of the wrestling industry.

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DrA (Post 5030315)
It's interesting how quickly they went to AJ Styles when their backs were against the corner. It's as if they know that's the kind of stuff the fans really want to see, and when there's some emergency and they have to abandon their stupid plans for whatever reason, that's when they realize that they have no other choice but to give the fans what they want as a last resort.

It absolutely is. This company knows better, they just don't have to do what they know is better. And it's funny how when they book something people actually want to see, interest seems to go up.

Mr. Nerfect 10-22-2017 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5030279)
Actually, I say that Elias trashes Minneapolis and then Brock comes down and kills him.

Or Curt Hawkins.

KIRA 10-22-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5030333)
That's the "smart" way of playing it, but I think people get pissed if Angle is teased and then isn't Angle. If he can't be Angle, don't use him as Angle. That's why this is so weird, because if they are protecting him, then he shouldn't be there, so I assume he's going to do something, which is scary and exciting because I never thought they planned to use him this way (otherwise they would have used him this way).

The Bryan stuff is not as ridiculous as people think too. The stuff with brain injuries is still new footing for medical science and stuff. Obviously Bryan shouldn't be wrestling -- should anyone? He's found doctors who can clear him. I'm sure a large part of the WWE keeping Bryan out of the ring is because they don't want to undercut the medical opinion of their guy, to remain conservative on the issue and partially to keep him in a role where him being the preferred choice is not going to interrupt their story telling. If they are certain Bryan wants to wrestle and he won't cave on the issue, he has the medical opinions he can do it, the idea that Vince won't get the WWE doctor to re-evaluate Bryan and suddenly he is cleared to work part-time is not completely out of the realm of possibility.

I was in the "Bryan will never wrestle for WWE camp" for a little while, but now I'm not sure at all. There's just too much grey area with grey matter. The PR stuff doesn't make sense now, because if they release him he'll go to New Japan and do harder stuff. At least under their roof they can watch him.

It's certainly an interesting time ahead, and I think it's a far bigger story than some people think. There will be a nice, meaty 5-to-10 year contract shoved under Bryan's nose sometime next year, and it could change the direction of the wrestling industry.

Under any other circumstance I'd be all I can't wait till Bryan can GTFO WWE

but like you said I'd prefer him being under survalence DB is normally a smart guy but Ive noticed that he is quite stubborn and willing to be wreckless when it comes to wrestling. I'll take DB wrestling every once in a while if it means he stays healthy.

Rammsteinmad 10-22-2017 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5030333)
That's the "smart" way of playing it, but I think people get pissed if Angle is teased and then isn't Angle. If he can't be Angle, don't use him as Angle. That's why this is so weird, because if they are protecting him, then he shouldn't be there, so I assume he's going to do something, which is scary and exciting because I never thought they planned to use him this way (otherwise they would have used him this way).

I don't think WWE would care about pissing off the people like that. Considering that this has had a week of build and not even on a televised show, I'm sure they realize there's more money to be made in it, especially from a second-tier PPV. Also, this is the same company that mega-hyped Goldberg's return only to have the match last for a minute, so I don't think they'd be worried about advertising Kurt Angle only to not have Kurt Angle perform in a full capacity.

Rammsteinmad 10-22-2017 09:10 AM

I guess we'll find out tonight. Either way, interest in this event has certainly gone up by about 726%.

Frank Drebin 10-22-2017 09:25 AM

Hope they don't cheap out and not give Angle his pyro.

ooTin 10-22-2017 10:07 AM

Interest up 10X.
WWE gets to use Kurt w/o actually using Kurt.
We the people are dumb and will buy anything.
No pyro and no capes.
Jason Jordan would make more sense.

Sixx 10-22-2017 10:20 AM

This card sucks ass.

Well, never liked it when there was no world title match on a PPV.

Jordan 10-22-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixx (Post 5030367)
This card sucks ass.

Well, never liked it when there was no world title match on a PPV.

Some of those PPV's are the best though. Canadian Stampede, Badd Blood... well thats all I can think of right now but... still...

Sixx 10-22-2017 10:35 AM

According to wikipedia Canadian Stampede had Taker fight Vader for the title.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-22-2017 10:38 AM

Yep there was a title match, just very low key.

Sixx 10-22-2017 10:45 AM

Damn, this was back when Triple H called himself Hunter Hearst Helmsley.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-22-2017 10:50 AM

The Greenwich snob. Him and Mankind's first feud. They beat the fuck out of each other throughout the entire building after opening the show.

Cool King 10-22-2017 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5030204)
WresrlingInc was reporting that it's actually mumps, so could have a triple threat.

Damn, if it actually is mumps then I feel for them all.

I had mumps about five years ago and it's the worst I have ever felt in my life.

I felt like I was dying at times.


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