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rez 12-04-2017 10:00 PM

Happy Holidays, Kira

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:00 PM

That song spoke to my soul

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rez (Post 5054123)
Happy Holidays, Kira

You I like don't ruin it with holiday cheer

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:02 PM

So Elias' reward for having a really good match last week with Reigns and looking like he was heading in a great direction was to just get brutally squashed the next week.

Making things worse is feeding Elias just for this Kane-Strowman feud that won't end.

Savio 12-04-2017 10:02 PM

For a second I thought he had his voice box back.

rez 12-04-2017 10:03 PM

Don't worry. My boss calls me Grinch. You're in good company.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:04 PM

At first, I was pissy they were feeding Elias to Strowman after he was kind of legitimized by his match with Roman last week.

Then I remembered that Strowman is 2017's Stone Cold Steve Austin and this is no different than Austin stunning the shit out of the entire roster for two hours straight, and that's cool as hell.

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:08 PM

Heres hoping the opponent for Asuka has notified her next of kin

rez 12-04-2017 10:10 PM

Dana?

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:12 PM

Poor Alicia, Asuka is going to beat the crazy out of her.

Savio 12-04-2017 10:13 PM

"and I finally got a T-shirt" lol

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:14 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:14 PM

What an amazing big boot by Alicia. Managed to flip Asuka with it.

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:14 PM

NOOO

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:15 PM

PLEASE NO

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:15 PM

WWE's teasing a potential Paige-Asuka matchup way too early.

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:16 PM

that boot was beautiful still....NOOOOOOOOO

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:17 PM

Alica no... but yay Asuka...I'm conflicted this match hurt my heart

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:19 PM

What are they doing to Alicia???


I hope those bitches die in a fire live again and then die.

Savio 12-04-2017 10:20 PM

http://shop.wwe.com/on/demandware.st...rge/QA1001.jpg

Targeting the furry demo.

KIRA 12-04-2017 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5054154)

Yes I do have that shirt I don't give a fuck what anybody says

slik 12-04-2017 10:24 PM

I fell asleep for an hour but it doesn't sound like I missed much tbh

Savio 12-04-2017 10:27 PM

They should have a Furry stable on 205Live

Shisen Kopf 12-04-2017 10:27 PM

Finn Balor sucks

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5054156)
I fell asleep for an hour but it doesn't sound like I missed much tbh

Whole show has been really skipable so far.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:29 PM

Unless this is a quick match, there's not gonna be any time for Woken Matt. After they finally started doing the angle after all these months.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:30 PM

"Bo Dallas a force to be reckoned with."

Wat.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5054161)
Unless this is a quick match, there's not gonna be any time for Woken Matt. After they finally started doing the angle after all these months.

He did say he was going to take care of Bray's demons.

Perhaps his DEMON KING.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5054163)
He did say he was going to take care of Bray's demons.

Perhaps his DEMON KING.

That's what I was thinking. Balor/Matt seems like it could be a decent program before the inevitable Matt/Bray feud.

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:33 PM

Finn having a normal double stomp move seems a bit redundant considering his finisher is also a double stomp but from the top rope.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:35 PM

HERE WE GO

A.J.K 12-04-2017 10:37 PM

:D:D:D:D:D:D

A.J.K 12-04-2017 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5054165)
That's what I was thinking. Balor/Matt seems like it could be a decent program before the inevitable Matt/Bray feud.

Matt just tweeted about finn.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:38 PM

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e2f3...fca7/tenor.gif

A.J.K 12-04-2017 10:40 PM

Shivering with Antici............PATION!

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:41 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I communicated with Jason Jordan's SOUL following his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAW</a> battle. This RAPSCALLION has only dwelled in one previous VESSEL before this one. And it was one of a JACKASS.<br><br>How utterly APROPOS.</p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/937859691727618048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Dark One 12-04-2017 10:42 PM

Cannot believe how much I'm marking out for a gimmick that's been dead for nine months interrupting a gimmick that's been dead for like three years.

Emperor Smeat 12-04-2017 10:44 PM

Matt managed to do what nobody has ever done before by breaking Bray's typical rambling promo.

Also :lol: at the debut of Woken Hardy being in the piss break spot of the show.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:44 PM

https://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif

owenbrown 12-04-2017 10:44 PM

holy fucking shit

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:44 PM

I loved everything about that! SOMEBODY HOLD ME.

Blonde Moment 12-04-2017 10:45 PM

seems to get the crowd worked up some so I guess it did it's job

A.J.K 12-04-2017 10:45 PM

THAT WAS DELIGHTFUL!!!

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:45 PM

It finally happened and it was wonderful.

I don't know how, but, uh, my earthly vessel is ready for one more great war.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:48 PM

If you had told me that Matt Hardy would be legally blocked from using his CONDEESHUN in WWE, was going to be abandoned and left to wallow as a nostalgia act on Superstars/Main Event while his brother was out for surgery, and then he was going to be #WOKEN in a throw away segment with Bray Wyatt, I'd have said it would be a disappointment and probably die.

And yet, here we are. I marked out more for that than AJ beating Jinder for the title in England, and I don't know how that makes me feel.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:48 PM

Matt cutting off Bray's laugh with his own was fantastic.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:49 PM

My face hurts from smiling so much. Fuck that was great.

rez 12-04-2017 10:51 PM

Woken Matt was the real main event. Fuck this match..no one cares.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 10:52 PM

I'm sure this match will be good and all.....but I've already peaked. Man that promo was great.

Dark One 12-04-2017 10:53 PM

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Destor 12-04-2017 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5054213)
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I dont get it

GD 12-04-2017 11:06 PM

This match is quite interesting.

GD 12-04-2017 11:09 PM

Damn. What a way to end a cool match :nono:

Dark One 12-04-2017 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5054217)
I dont get it

It's Hiromu Takahashi, but a 40 to 3000 year old time traveling wizard with a penchant for green beans and a weird accident.

GD 12-04-2017 11:11 PM

Whoa! We are already 11 mins overtime.

Dark One 12-04-2017 11:11 PM

This episode of Raw is going to go until WWE week starts next week.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 11:12 PM

Joe & The Bar vs. The Shield will be a hot 6-man

Dark One 12-04-2017 11:13 PM

Roman Reigns is the worst friend in fucking history.

Good ol' fashion Attitude Era schmozz to end the night and refill some heat in a feud.

Evil Vito 12-04-2017 11:14 PM

Reigns is a worse friend than John Cena was to Zack Ryder

Tom Guycott 12-04-2017 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owenbrown (Post 5054019)
Jason Jordan and Samoa Joe buried in one night?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 5054023)
They want to make sure to only build one star every 20 yrs

... until there is another slew of injuries and they get desperate and try to plug any ol' random in where they need them OR call back some established Attitude Era star instead of having enough credible talent available.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5054022)
100% guarantee when Jason Jordan 'turns heel' on Kurt he will put him in the ankle lock while Michael Cole reacts 'in horror'.

"Where did this come from?! What is going through the mind of Jason Jordan; with a *vicious* attack on his father, Kurt Angle?!"

Tom Guycott 12-04-2017 11:43 PM

For some reason, when Roman hit that half crab, I pictured Lance Storm shrugging and saying "... dafuq?"

slik 12-05-2017 12:10 AM

WOKEN Matt was fantastic. I legit laughed out loud during the Wyatt/Hardy segment. The highlight of RAW.

Tom Guycott 12-05-2017 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 5054093)
Really?

Nia Jax and Enzo?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5054096)
What the fuck was that?

Nia's going to have Enzo's lovechild and it's going be a goddamn jar of marinara, isn't it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl The Gay Janitor (Post 5054098)
Enzo looked bewildered just then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Widow (Post 5054100)
Isn't Nia like a 100 pounds over the weight limit?

Lucky for him, she's not like most girls.

And he's prob'ly gonna find out. And like it. And it's going to turn into Stevie Richards/Jazz 2.0. Or Stevie Richards/Victoria, and she'll be more effective than BIG (C)ASS as a bodyguard.

DrA 12-05-2017 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5054213)
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He said liberry instead of library I think.

Tom Guycott 12-05-2017 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5054154)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 5054155)
Yes I do have that shirt I don't give a fuck what anybody says

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5054157)
They should have a Furry stable on 205Live

The return of Adam Rose and the Rosebuds, all of whom are treated as active competitors on the 205 Live roster, including The Bunny.

The way she mentioned having a shirt somehow reminded me of R-Truth's rant at the merchandise stand back when the truth set him free: "... ZACK RYDER GOT A T-SHIRT?!?"

And that shirt is missing a captain's hat.

Tom Guycott 12-05-2017 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5054226)
It's Hiromu Takahashi, but a 40 to 3000 year old time traveling wizard with a penchant for green beans and a weird accident.

... and vehemently hates mustard.

Lock Jaw 12-05-2017 01:10 AM

Watched/fast forwarded through the show....

Jason Jordan/Roman Reigns and Paige/Sasha Banks were both very enjoyable..... The Bar/Rollins Ambrose was probably also enjoyable but I fast forwarded through it all because I got tired.

Woken Matt Hardy stuff seemed really dumb and stupid and did not come off well at all...... but people seemed to love it, so I guess maybe it did? I don't even know anymore.....

Sepholio 12-05-2017 01:49 AM

Matt Hardy was freaking hilarious. I don't know if he goes cross eyed for the gimmick or what it is but he legitimately looks bonkers when he does this shtick.

Damian Rey 2.0 12-05-2017 03:56 AM

Well that was some weird whacky shit. But it was different. And it wasn't some hokey, overly scripted nonsense. I'm in. I'll be keeping up on YouTube to see where this woken Matt Hardy nonsense goes to. Why the fuck not, right?

Purgatory 12-05-2017 07:57 AM

The gimmick worked amazingly in TNA as well....except for the Final Deletion match between he and Jeff at "The Hardy Compound". That was horrible...but it broke Jeff.

Hopefully they break Jeff as well.

Big Vic 12-05-2017 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5054279)
The return of Adam Rose and the Rosebuds, all of whom are treated as active competitors on the 205 Live roster, including The Bunny.

The way she mentioned having a shirt somehow reminded me of R-Truth's rant at the merchandise stand back when the truth set him free: "... ZACK RYDER GOT A T-SHIRT?!?"

And that shirt is missing a captain's hat.

I didn't see the survivor series match but saw she lasted 11 minutes. It would have been cool if she was eliminated in under 10 seconds and still went on bragging about leading the girls to victory.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 11:03 AM

Havent seen it. But if Bray plays this right it sounds like it could make for a reinvention of sorts. Until they job him out mercilessly again

TSI 12-05-2017 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5054273)
WOKEN Matt was fantastic. I legit laughed out loud during the Wyatt/Hardy segment. The highlight of RAW.

I watched it three times and it cracked me up every time. The Laugh at the end kills me.

#1-norm-fan 12-05-2017 01:45 PM

Just watched the Bray/Matt segment. It was great. Here's hoping we at least get one fun feud out of this.

#1-norm-fan 12-05-2017 01:47 PM

Also, we've actually got something good coming from how horrible they've handled Bray since his debut. If he wasn't a joke already, this would be a terrible idea. Since he is, this works out perfectly.

KIRA 12-05-2017 02:31 PM

WOKEN MATT made me grin so hard

goodbye Bray as anything resembling a serious threat though.

Hello Woken Matt I knew you'd come.

KIRA 12-05-2017 02:38 PM

Get ready for big ol helpings of batshit promos that make Warrior and Savage sound like William F Buckley talking with Obama

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:00 PM

• Roman Reigns is beginning to confuse me.

Why should I like him? Why should I be cheering him and wanting him to win matches?

The guy comes across as an arrogant dick. How is that suppose to make me like him? If anything, it's making me dislike him more.

The opening segment, the match and what happened after it actually made me like Jason Jordan more.

• Booker T's commentary is still really bad. He spent around ten minutes talking shit about Jordan then he quickly changed and praised the guy and spoke about how good he is for five minutes, then he went back to basically talking about how much he sucks.

• What went on with Enzo & Co. backstage? The Raw I watched suddenly cut out as Enzo said "Do you two realise that last week, you let little Richie Swanny beat you in the Fatal Four Way? Listen, you two and you two" then it just cut to black and I was then watching Cedric Alexander in the ring.

• I skipped the Cruiserweight match because I don't really care about the division but I was surprised to see that Gulak won.

I like Gulak so I watched his promo and I'm a little bit more interested in the division now. I'll probably watch the division next week if Gulak is involved.

• We need more Alicia Fox.

She's great.

The promo was great and she does crazy really well.

It's just a shame that Raw's Women's Division is pretty much "The Paige Show" now.

• I don't think I'll ever understand the jizzfest that happens for Matt Hardy.

What's so great about it? Because Hardy does a piss-poor English accent whilst accentuating certain words and pronouncing others incorrectly?

It's that suppose to be funny/great?

I don't get it.

I just really hope Vince does what he's good at and takes full control of this and nosedives it into the ground and beyond.

Emperor Smeat 12-05-2017 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5054491)


• What went on with Enzo & Co. backstage? The Raw I watched suddenly cut out as Enzo said "Do you two realise that last week, you let little Richie Swanny beat you in the Fatal Four Way? Listen, you two and you two" then it just cut to black and I was then watching Cedric Alexander in the ring.

You didn't get the part where Nia appeared outta nowhere and has a crush on Enzo now? Seems weird WWE edited that part out for the UK.

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Cool King 12-05-2017 04:10 PM

Oh no, poor Nia. :(

Who did she piss off?

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:10 PM

But really, it's a shame that it looks like she's been reduced to having a crush on Enzo.

I blame Paige. I seriously do.

With her back, it's like Vince & Co. couldn't have Nia be her usual self because if she was, she would quite obviously destroy Paige and the other two.

So they thought to distance Nia from the Women's Division and have her run around the Cruiserweight Division playing the girlfriend role.

Just like they did with another talented member of the Women's Division.

SPOILER: show
Alicia Fox.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:12 PM

Oh and I was actually watching Raw that was shown on USA.

It must have just been the video itself that messed up.

Evil Vito 12-05-2017 04:24 PM

"Everyone on the roster is so bland and boring. No wonder nobody cares anymore."

"This gimmick is too over the top. No wonder nobody takes the business seriously."

IWC in a nutshell.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 04:25 PM

I would want Nia playing my gf on t.v.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5054509)
"Everyone on the roster is so bland and boring. No wonder nobody cares anymore."

"This gimmick is too over the top. No wonder nobody takes the business seriously."

IWC in a nutshell.

Noid in a nutshell.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:27 PM

I can't recall ever saying any of that.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:27 PM

Or anything like that.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5054511)
I would want Nia playing my gf on t.v.

Except I'd do it more like Dusty and Babydoll... less like little weeny boy Enzo being intimidated by big strong lady because that shit is so hokey.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5054516)
Or anything like that.

Think he was just talking abt it in general.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5054511)
I would want Nia playing my gf on t.v.

I would want Nia playing my gf in real life.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:29 PM

https://i.giphy.com/media/11k9uxIxJJ8d2w/giphy.webp

Evil Vito 12-05-2017 04:31 PM

There isn't any woman on the current WWE roster I wouldn't want playing my gf in real life.

Even Tamina. Getting throttled by the daughter of a murderer could be kinda kinky.

Evil Vito 12-05-2017 04:34 PM

Okay I guess I wouldn't want Sonya Deville as my gf in real life. Having a gf who isn't into dudes would be just a tad bit awkward.

Otherwise, bring 'em on.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:40 PM

I can't really say I'm surprised that she's a lesbian.

Cool King 12-05-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5054526)
Having a gf who isn't into dudes would be just a tad bit awkward.

But it does make the cool kind of threesome all that more possible.

Ol Dirty Dastard 12-05-2017 04:57 PM

Nia would give a tight handy.

Emperor Smeat 12-05-2017 06:21 PM

This week's episode managed to be around 54k higher than last week for viewers but suffered one of the largest hour drops in the 3 Hour Era. Past couple of weeks have started to erode the yearly gains WWE was making during the NFL season.

For some reference, same week last year had almost 200k more viewers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
A wrestling-heavy Raw last night was up very slightly from last week's low mark, doing 2.78 million viewers ...

There was a major drop in every demo throughout the show. The message was pretty clear that a series of long matches, as opposed to long matches with main event talent, are not good for retaining viewers.

The three hours were:

8 p.m. 3.15 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.86 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.43 million viewers


Evil Vito 12-05-2017 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 5054532)
But it does make the cool kind of threesome all that more possible.

Perhaps. But you'd be amazed how many bi girls on Tinder feel the need to write in their profiles "no, just because I'm bi does not mean I'm looking to have a threesome."

They know how mens' minds operate.


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