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Fignuts 03-21-2018 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5097521)
WWE title is pretty much the intercontinental title of old. It's credible, but you're the 2nd in command if you hold it.
Jinder's run hurt it, but I would still put it above the IC or Big Gold Belt.

Anybody Thrilla 03-21-2018 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5097235)
That is actually a good spin. I like it. I don't buy it, but I like it.
Do you buy it today? Or did you not watch?

Anybody Thrilla 03-21-2018 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronic (Post 5097473)
As a fan of the group that did that song and same-named album in 1986, EUROPE(from Stockholm, Sweden; has had 7 members in their history; were originally operating from 1982-1992, came back for a one-off on Dec. 31, 1999 with 6 members, and have had a stable lineup since their more permanent reunion in 2003(6 albums released since, ALL good music too)), that would be insane to hear THAT song on WWE Television, especially if they could get EUROPE(Joey Tempest on vocals, John Norum on guitars, John Leven on bass, Mic Michaeli on keyboards, Ian Haugland on drums) to perform that song live at WrestleMania, and over 75,000 loudly busting out the chorus to it....good GOD, that imagery in my head....holy shit! @.O

What's also good about that? EUROPE is a group who could allow such a performance to stay on the DVD/Bluray release of that Mania they'd perform at. They're more than willing to deal that way, because they absolutely love their fans, and want their fans, regardless of where they are in the world, to get everything they want like that.

I've been a fan of theirs since 1997, so I just know that by heart.

XB
Please tell me that you are fucking joking.

Big Vic 03-21-2018 03:00 PM
ABT the title of this thread has the word "SHIT" in it, please remove it. Think of the children.

Droford 03-21-2018 03:47 PM
Bryan/Shane vs KO/Sami with Bryan heel turn on Shane to help KO/Sami and be a group would be awesome

Savio 03-21-2018 03:48 PM
No, he was just beaten up by them, it would make no sense.

Droford 03-21-2018 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5097630)
No, he was just beaten up by them, it would make no sense.
Its a ruse to get Shane to come back and demand a match. All 3 really don't like Shane but Shane will be duped into thinking Bryan will be his tag partner after he got beat up by them. Then..wham! Heel turn never see it coming.

RaginRonic 03-21-2018 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5097572)
Please tell me that you are fucking joking.
What? EUROPE performing at WrestleMania? Why would that not be a good fit for an event like that? They've made music that isn't shit, compared to a lot of other groups lately.

You want to see where they've gone as musicians since that time? Check below.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yOgVa--DyVI" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5Ij5frweOfw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

TBH, I could see a face Bray Wyatt using the 2nd one, and maybe give the 1st one to a face Seth Rollins.

But yeah....I am serious when I say that group would be a perfect musical fit for some live performances at Mania.

=P

Damian Rey 2.0 03-21-2018 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5097638)
Its a ruse to get Shane to come back and demand a match. All 3 really don't like Shane but Shane will be duped into thinking Bryan will be his tag partner after he got beat up by them. Then..wham! Heel turn never see it coming.
It's dumb. He was just mauled by these guys mercilessly. It would be a surprise sure, but it's a dumb move.

Mr. Nerfect 03-21-2018 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 5097508)
Exactly. Take that social justice warrior shit somewhere else, you are not a brain scientist. You don't know what is best for Bryan in any way so quit acting like a mother hen.
Lol, Luigi is Heyman. And that's not social justice shit. Social justice shit is still hating how the WWE treats women and wrestlers of color as tokens. When it comes to Bryan, people just see him as breakable because they project the wear and tear his body has gone through over the years.

The thing is -- he is cleared. I mean, sports science can be a shifty thing, but you have a bunch of brain scientists putting their names on paper to say that the considered risks are not an immediate threat to Bryan. He's not breakable, guys. And he's going to Shawn Michaels-working-the-back-at-SummerSlam-2002 you when he gets in the ring.

Mr. Nerfect 03-21-2018 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5097570)
Do you buy it today? Or did you not watch?
Didn't watch. I watched Bryan's promo on YouTube. It's going to take a lot more than that to get me back into the fold, lol.

Mr. Nerfect 03-21-2018 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5097569)
Jinder's run hurt it, but I would still put it above the IC or Big Gold Belt.
Exactly -- it's the #2 belt behind the true World Title (currently held by Brock Lesnar). It's like the IC Title of old.

Destor 03-21-2018 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5097669)
Didn't watch. I watched Bryan's promo on YouTube. It's going to take a lot more than that to get me back into the fold, lol.
6 hours of tv a week is a huge commitment

Bad News Gertner 03-21-2018 06:47 PM
He really shouldn't be wrestling again. I don't see how this ends well. The head/neck isn't something you mess with.

Emperor Smeat 03-21-2018 07:14 PM
WWE clearing Angle to return to the ring opened a can of worms for them considering Angle's health the past several years. At least with Bryan he took the long road to get cleared while with Angle it was supposedly a lot more sudden.

If anything, the real worry is with Paige since she now has a lot more false hope of being cleared and last thing WWE needs is for her to battle depression again. Supposedly she didn't handle the news well the first time and had only just cleared up from her previous mental issues due to Del Rio.

Bad News Gertner 03-21-2018 07:18 PM
I'm definitely not cool about Angle returning either. Definitely not Paige. I don't want to see another Dynamite Kid situation or even worse. In Bryan's instance, I've seen what happens to punch drunk boxers or former NHL fighters down the line. It's scary and sad.

Fignuts 03-21-2018 07:20 PM
eh

if he dies, he dies.

Damian Rey 2.0 03-21-2018 07:54 PM
We are all dying. The best doctors available gave him the ok. You only live once. Let him do what makes him happy if he's been medically cleared for it.

Destor 03-21-2018 09:05 PM
. He's an adult. The end.

Mr. Nerfect 03-22-2018 03:17 AM
I'm usually a dirty left-wing liberal and have honestly believed that the WWE would keep Bryan out of the ring for as long as they could. This is not the case of a broken man getting back in the ring. The WWE would fudge things and look the other way on some things, but they are not fudging Bryan through in his favor. There's too much riding on it. He's cleared because he's cleared.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 04:15 AM
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Tuna Meltz: "Regarding the All In show and the 9/1 date, the plan was to hold the show later with Danielson headlining. However, they were aware of Danielson working so hard to get cleared by WWE. They felt there was a significant enough chance for it to happen, and decided upon, and later announced the Labor Day weekend show, a date where it was impossible Danielson could appear on. Cody also stopped doing the LeBell lock and they stopped teasing Danielson's name in social media. On the flip side, Danielson was still studying non-WWE wrestling, in particular of Zack Sabre Jr., and thinking about the idea of a vegetarian submission masters tag team."
While this is the best outcome overall, that tag team would be incredible.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 04:18 AM
The Meat Beaters

Mr. Nerfect 03-22-2018 04:58 AM
I dunno, I'm a bit skeptical that Bryan was really ever going to go elsewhere.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 05:14 AM
If WWE never cleared him by the end of his contract, I'm sure he would have. I'm more convinced after his speech on Smackdown.

Getting cleared by WWE was the ultimate goal, but he could have also thought that spending a year on the indies and being fine could have been a path back to WWE had this not all happened.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 07:43 AM
Yeah, this is why I'm not worried about Bryan:

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On Observer Radio Dave said that Bryan got a new concussion baseline test and now after every match he wrestles he will have to go to the trainer's room and get an impact test immediately. Every single time. Wow
I honestly wouldn't mind it if that policy was rolled out to everyone, but that would be time and resources.

Mr. Nerfect 03-22-2018 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5097780)
If WWE never cleared him by the end of his contract, I'm sure he would have. I'm more convinced after his speech on Smackdown.

Getting cleared by WWE was the ultimate goal, but he could have also thought that spending a year on the indies and being fine could have been a path back to WWE had this not all happened.
People say that, and there's no way to prove or disprove it -- we're talking strictly hypothetical situations. But with his wife's brand to think about and his daughter, I think he would have accepted a new WWE deal to be a trainer, occasionally appear on the air, do a Hall of Fame thing, be a talking head and be in their video games. I'm not discounting the dude's passion, but I think the deal he would have gotten would have just eclipsed anything else he could have done, and the stank of him not being cleared by the WWE would have followed him, at least a little.

It wouldn't surprise me if contract negotiations greased some wheels and convinced the WWE to look at things again, but I just don't think he would have left seven figures on the table to go and take bumps in Mexico and ruin his wife's show and all that sort of stuff.

Maluco 03-22-2018 10:55 AM
The impact test after every single match feels to me like this is not someone who should be wrestling.

Hope I'm wrong and it's juts precautionary, but it seems like overkill from people who are extremely worried

Destor 03-22-2018 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5097804)
The impact test after every single match feels to me like this is not someone who should be wrestling.

Hope I'm wrong and it's juts precautionary, but it seems like overkill from people who are extremely worried
Theyre just covering themselves in the punk lawsuit, calm your tits.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-22-2018 11:28 AM
Yeah it's pretty smart. Only problem is it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. The second he takes a knock on the noggin, he's pretty much fucked.

Maluco 03-22-2018 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5097806)
Theyre just covering themselves in the punk lawsuit, calm your tits.
They are pretty calm I think. Haven't made any phone calls to WWE headquarters yet anyway

Bad News Gertner 03-22-2018 03:15 PM
I don't see how that does anything. It won't stop his brain from being mush the next time he gets his bell rung.

Shisen Kopf 03-22-2018 03:22 PM
I hope sheamus beats him in 19 seconds again

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-22-2018 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5097873)
I don't see how that does anything. It won't stop his brain from being mush the next time he gets his bell rung.
I don't think all concussions are made the same.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5097879)
I don't think all concussions are made the same.
Yeah, I mean, Mick Foley probably had more than a few

Destor 03-22-2018 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5097873)
I don't see how that does anything. It won't stop his brain from being mush the next time he gets his bell rung.
Its his brain mom

Emperor Smeat 03-22-2018 04:27 PM
Edit: Nevermind Bryan's testing was mentioned a few posts above.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-22-2018 04:28 PM
It's like 9 posts up

Ruien 03-22-2018 06:55 PM
Who cares? He is a grown man. If he wants to wrestle why should anyone tell him different? He knows the risks, if there are any.

Bad News Gertner 03-22-2018 10:42 PM
Sometimes you gotta protect people from themselves.

Destor 03-22-2018 11:52 PM
Anybody Gertner

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 07:59 AM
LMFAO

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 10:47 AM
I'm a huge hockey fights fan, but seeing what has happened to guys like Wade Belak, Stephan Peat, Matt Johnson, Steve Montador, the list goes on and on as a result of repeated concussions, it's make you rethink things.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 12:36 PM
I mean I've read the articles as well. And we saw how it effected a guy like Benoit. But he was pretty much begging for concussion after concussion.

Hockey fighters literally get punched in the head every night. The way guys wrestle now, is meant to avoid head trauma. Bryan's style certainly was, but if makes a few changes and avoids the unnecessary stuff, he won't go the way of the hockey enforcer.

Plus, baseline tests every night will keep him relatively safe. The second he gets his bell rung, that's pretty much it.

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 12:47 PM
It's definitely not avoiding trauma and Bryan's style was definitely not avoiding it. Top rope diving head butt, top rope flat back missile dropkick, suicide dive etc...

At their peak a fighter was maybe fighting 30 times a season. Hardly the same as taking bumps 300 days a year.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 12:49 PM
Sorry I made a typo. I meant Bryan was conducive to trauma and he needed to change his style.

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 12:50 PM
The baseline tests basically will diagnose a concussion that already occurred. The concussion still happened. With his history the next one could be it. I don't want to see another Matt Johnson where he a homeless pill head. It happens far more often than people realize.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 12:55 PM
You're a little sensitive to the matter. Those guys were subjected to more abuse thanBryan

Jordan 03-23-2018 01:40 PM
He was cleared though, so I think that means, in the likely case he gets another concussion, he can take some time off and heal up a bit, and then go back. He's not going to die if he gets another concussion, he's going to get another concussion, almost every wrestler will. The point of him being cleared is that if he gets another concussion, he isn't in some kind of red zone danger area, it would be just like a normal person getting a concussion.

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5098066)
You're a little sensitive to the matter. Those guys were subjected to more abuse thanBryan
Not necessarily

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 5098078)
He was cleared though, so I think that means, in the likely case he gets another concussion, he can take some time off and heal up a bit, and then go back. He's not going to die if he gets another concussion, he's going to get another concussion, almost every wrestler will. The point of him being cleared is that if he gets another concussion, he isn't in some kind of red zone danger area, it would be just like a normal person getting a concussion.
There's no such thing. Those previous concussions don't just disappear.

Ruien 03-23-2018 02:01 PM
Let's be real. Gertner just does not want to watch another vanilla midget wrestle.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5098080)
Not necessarily
I'm sorry. But I don't subscribe to everything being a concussion. It's the new SJW culture in sport. Like most things, the truth lies in the middle.

You notice how Mats Sundin (who was dealing with heavy body contact every night) didn't suffer the same trauma as Wade Belak? You don't think Mats was taking lumps to the dome?

Enforcers were subjected to a fight pretty much every night they played. And likely remained quiet about concussion symptoms as a means to keep their job.


Bryan's style in the ring has always been high intensity, and it caught up with him. But it's not the same as subjecting yourself to maliciously thrown haymakers at your head, night in and night out.

Innovator 03-23-2018 02:53 PM
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Newsweek featured a piece this afternoon about WWE reinstating Daniel Bryan to return to the ring as an in-ring performer, including an comments from Neurosurgeon Dr. Robert Cantu, one of the medical experts who cleared Bryan.

“I evaluated Bryan for a neurological opinion on return to WWE on February 26, 2018. Included in his medical records were multiple evaluations by renowned concussion clinicians,” Cantu told Newsweek's Tufayel Ahmed. “I determined that Bryan is currently asymptomatic, has a normal detailed neurological and cognitive neuropsychological examination, normal EEG, and an MRI that showed no definite evidence of a prior brain injury. It is my medical opinion that there is no absolute contraindication to his return to in-ring action in WWE."

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 5098085)
I'm sorry. But I don't subscribe to everything being a concussion. It's the new SJW culture in sport. Like most things, the truth lies in the middle.

You notice how Mats Sundin (who was dealing with heavy body contact every night) didn't suffer the same trauma as Wade Belak? You don't think Mats was taking lumps to the dome?

Enforcers were subjected to a fight pretty much every night they played. And likely remained quiet about concussion symptoms as a means to keep their job.


Bryan's style in the ring has always been high intensity, and it caught up with him. But it's not the same as subjecting yourself to maliciously thrown haymakers at your head, night in and night out.
It is because you're taking bumps night in and night out.

Bad News Gertner 03-23-2018 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5098084)
Let's be real. Gertner just does not want to watch another vanilla midget wrestle.
I don't watch current wrestling and haven't for a few years

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-23-2018 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5098100)
It is because you're taking bumps night in and night out.
I think there's a difference between a bump and direct contact with the head. Of course when you're concussed, absorbing big knocks/recoil is going to be an ongoing concern, but taking a flat back bump properly is not going to cause concussions where there isn't. Keep in mind Gertner, he's been cleared, tested, and proving of showing no actual susceptibility to concussions.

I would compare what happened to Daniel Bryan with what happened to Sidney Crosby. Looked like "the kid" was done, and he's been better than ever. It's not like he isn't getting his ass run into the boards night after night.

slik 03-23-2018 04:11 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daniel Bryan Medical Evaluation Showed “No Definite Evidence” of Prior Brain Injury: <a href="https://t.co/UybOxl3xe9">https://t.co/UybOxl3xe9</a> <a href="https://t.co/RkRH0Wkl9L">pic.twitter.com/RkRH0Wkl9L</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Sheet (@WrestlingSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingSheet/status/977259839024975872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Goes with Inno's post a few earlier

Destor 03-23-2018 04:57 PM
Well yeah he had like a dozen doctors say this for years.

Thisnisnt complicated: wwe legal used danielson as leverage in a law suit. This is and always was fake news.

Savio 03-23-2018 10:31 PM
Maybe this means Christian can come back Lockjaw.

Lock Jaw 03-24-2018 02:21 AM
Lockjaw is a dog's name, and don't toy with his heart.

Destor 03-24-2018 03:26 AM
You are a dog

Destor 03-24-2018 03:27 AM
Bitch

Destor 03-24-2018 03:27 AM
#burn

#BROKEN Hasney 03-24-2018 04:20 AM
Christian said on his podcast that he has no interest in coming back.

Mr. Nerfect 03-24-2018 06:37 PM
I wouldn't have any interest in coming back either. Still surreal to have Danielson back.

Mr. Nerfect 03-24-2018 06:38 PM
Fucking hell: Bryan vs. Angle, Bryan vs. Cesaro, Bryan vs. AJ, Bryan vs. Nakamura...all possibilities.

Impeccable 03-25-2018 01:26 PM
Bryan vs The Miz!

rockman725 03-25-2018 01:54 PM
Once he gets the rust knocked off, the two programs that NEED to happen are DB/Miz & DB/Styles. I also would like to see DB/Angle as a GM feud following Wrestlemania to allow DB to transition out of the GM role & into the active wrestler role.

Other programs I too would like to see eventually: DB/Samoa Joe, DB/Nakamura, DB/Rollins (this era Rollins is friggin' tearing it up right now)

Since it is penciled in that Strowman is gonna take the belt off of Reigns at WM 35, I would actually like to see a Road to Wrestlemania feud between DB & Reigns. With Roman retaining over DB, the boo's will be through the roof. Once Strowman annihilates Reigns at WM 35, Strowman will be the BIGGEST white meat babyface of the modern era.

Jordan 03-25-2018 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rockman725 (Post 5098373)

Since it is penciled in that Strowman is gonna take the belt off of Reigns at WM 35, I would actually like to see a Road to Wrestlemania feud between DB & Reigns. With Roman retaining over DB, the boo's will be through the roof. Once Strowman annihilates Reigns at WM 35, Strowman will be the BIGGEST white meat babyface of the modern era.
Who has this penciled in?

Fignuts 03-25-2018 02:52 PM
He knows a guy who knows a guy.

Tom Guycott 03-25-2018 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5097778)
The Meat Beaters
So, if D.Bry is "Mr. Small Package", what would Sabre Jr's nickname be?


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