- i think they took thor's 'funny' characterisation a step too far, maybe? his initial reimagining in ragnarok was goddamn inspired, and they balanced his humorous and serious aspects beautifully in infinity war, but he just felt a bit too goofy for me in endgame. idk. maybe i am being harsh. but his arc was the only one - compared with the other original avengers, anyway - that felt kind of unsatisfying imo

- on the other end of the spectrum, i goddamn loved banner-hulk. that was absolutely wonderful and a far more satisfying outcome for that character

- steve's arc, also, just beautifully wrapped up. also lol @ "that IS america's ass"

- i accept the 'going back and changing the past doesn't change the future' rhetoric, which enables things like future nebula killing past nebula without erasing herself -- even if it feels flimsy as hell compared to the more logical framework presented by back to the future etc -- but surely thanos travelling to the future and dying there would change things regardless; i.e. thanos goes to the future to attack the avengers and ends up getting dusted; therefore, thanos isn't around to make his later attack(s) in 2018, meaning he never gets all the infinity stones, meaning the events of infinity war should never have happened in the first place. right?!

or is this some kind of "no, it created an alternate timeline, so there is a future where thanos doesn't attack in 2018, but that's not 'our' timeline because time travel is bullshit" bullshit

- so there's a random loki out there somewhere with the tesseract -- presumably gonna be the loki we get for his series. deft workaround, i guess

- i guess if gamora's in gotg 3, she's gonna be 2014 gamora also?

- ok so speaking of gamora, the soul stone demands a sacrifice from the person who wants the stone, right? hence why thanos flings gamora off the cliff -- he sacrifices her to earn it. but nat/clint were both trying to kill themselves; doesn't that mean the other one didn't actually sacrifice anything? sure, clint lost someone he loved, but he didn't sacrifice her. in fact, he was actively trying to stop her sacrifice. i dunno. this film was so narratively overstuffed i might have missed some logical explanation for why suicide would work as a means of giving someone else the stone but it seems a stretch

- also how is clint just holding the soul stone when he wakes up, when it was made clear in guardians and other movies that ordinary people can't just handle the stones? the collector's offsider tries to grab the power stone in gotg 1 and literally explodes. actually, this movie has a lot of problems now that i really think about it

- odds that the 'falcon and winter soldier' series will be called 'captain america and winter soldier'? or will sam keep the falcon name regardless? either way, i really loved the way cap's (and sam's) story played out. again, contrary to thor, i think steve's arc really was handled beautifully

- the random teen at stark's funeral was the kid from iron man 3. i had to look it up because in the cinema i was just like 'who the fuck is that?' -- and i watched iron man 3 like two weeks ago so i am sure i am not the only one who doesn't recognise him.

- on that note, i was actually surprised that only nat and stark died. i was expecting a higher body count for the avengers themselves tbh

- i like that they gave carol her comics-accurate haircut. suited her well. i also appreciated that they didn't really make her the be-all-and-end-all deus ex machina i was expecting her to be. she helped a lot, but was hardly vital

- rocket holding nebula's hand on the ship's steps, his distress when he's trapped under the building debris, and when he tries to shield groot during the end battle are all heartbreaking li'l moments. i know he is a cgi raccoon but goddamn

- tom holland is, as always, an absolute joy. paul rudd also really good at bringing levity where it was needed and appreciated

- whole theatre popped like crazy for cap wielding mjolnir. that reveal and sequence was, admittedly, glorious

- 'i am... inevitable.' 'yeah? well, i... am... iron man' -- predictable as hell, but also absolutely perfect

so yeah... this all may seem like i'm being super-down on the film; i'm not -- i really, really enjoyed it and will undoubtedly watch it again, possibly even once more while it's at the movies, but i also don't think it was the best thing i've ever seen in a cinema at all. to each their own though i guess

Ant-Man
Nebula

We got the trinity of Thor, Cap and Tony battling Thanos

Cap and Tony's stories wrap up, but Thor's still has more to tell.

I guess this means the Black Widow film will be a prequel.

People in my theater went nuts for Cap/Mjolnir and the return of Peter Parker.

I get emails from a raccoon

stark's "he turn into a baby?" was also a+ delivery from rdj

- the time travel stuff is a lil bit ropey, but it's always going to be with time travel. The different realities and stuff would be fine, but even so, Thanos was taken out of his reality and into the future so technically nothing he does post-2014 would have happened. Plus Cap showing up as an old man in the same reality he was originally from sorta throws a curve ball into it all, but yeah, time travel is always ropey so it can be glossed over s bit. Glad they didn't just "undo" infinity war in it's entirety tho. Which kinda leads me to...

- if everyone was brought back 5 years later, then the world would still be a total mess. People would have moved on, maybe got new families, just for their old ones to come back. I'm hoping Far From home might touch on it s little bit, cause otherwise Pete's going to Europe with a buncha kids who continued to age for 5 years while he was dust. I guess they'll just conveniently have all his classmates that we know of being part of the snap. Or the whole film could be pre-infinity war.

- Really naive of me, but for a split second when Strange and Wong et al were portaling everyone into battle, i thought they MIGHT let The Defenders or Agents of Shield into the movie. I think the fact they brought in James D'Arcy to play Jarvis opened the door in my mind for them to bring others into play.

- Seeing Starlord singing from Rhodey's/Nebulas point of view
- similarly the other point of view of the avengers awkwardly posing over Loki after the battle of New York
- all girl avengers was cool
- "Hail Hydra"
- "Avengers Assemble"
- original antman helmet
- the kid at the funeral (that I also had to check online, although I'd read a few weeks back that he would be in there in some capacity but totally forgot) was a nice touch
- Everything Hawkeye did was so good, well worth him missing out on infinity war to get the Ronin version
- Sup with Cassie Lang seemingly aging 10 years instead of 5 lol
- Korg and Miek and them getting called dickheads online
- Just the sheer amount of cast members, the end credits with the special cards for the original 6 was great

So much more but just a few bits of the top of my head I wanted to mention

Everyone went god damn mental for cap weilding mjolnir.

sounds like that'll probably be standard. did they pop for parker's return as well? those two moments stand out for me as the ones that drew the biggest cheers, though there were def others

cap wielding mjolnir was fucking great though

That entire sequence of everyone coming back was just one sustained pop in my theater.

Marked out super hard for the shot of a lone captain america, beaten and bruised, walking defiantly toward Thanos. That is one of the most iconic moments from the Infinity Gauntlet comic, and I'm really happy they got it in.

Agree with you on Thor. The guy should have been (even more) heartbroken; he’s lost his brother, his father, mother, his sister was evil, he lost his home, and half his people, then he didn’t go for the head. He blames himself but it’s all played for laughs. A little too much.

That we one of my overall nitpicks; the movie was “too funny” given the gravity of what happens/was happening. I get that Marvel movies are funny, but I felt it undermined a lot of the plot.

Some of the fan service/call backs were delightful - the “don’t do anything stupid” exchange between Cap and Bucky was great - but a lot of it was laid on very thick.

The All-The-Female-Heroes-Team-Up was way too tacked on. Bleh.

I’ve never been in a movie theatre where people actually cheer/applaud (it’s not a very British thing to do - but we had a pop for Cap being worthy, I think Peter got a reaction, and there was a guy behind me who shouted “yibambe” when Panther walked on screen :lol:

I think for a long time I was “concerned” they were going to undo everything and that wouldn’t have sat very well with me. 2 hours and 10 minutes in the movie came to life; I think at the start of the battle. Which is unusual for me as I’m not really one for action scenes.

I’ll be seeing it again with my wife in the next couple of weeks so my perspective might change.

Again, I thought it was good but there was a lot that didn’t work for me.

I loved Lebowski Thor. He had enough sobering moments to balance it out, imo.

Also thought the female team up was pretty badass.

Only thing I didn't like is that Hulk never redeemed himself against Thanos. I was waiting for the moment where Banner loses control and hulk kicks Thanos's ass, but it never happened. Felt like an unresolved plot thread considering hulk was so embarassed by his defeat that he regressed so deeply into banner.

seem to remember reading an interview with the russo bros explaining that hulk wasn't embarrassed; he had the shits with banner for only letting him out to solve his problems. thanos was just the final straw. so banner and hulk finding peace and coexisting was the resolution for that.

edit: yeah, here you go

Anyways, I loved it. As others have said, there's some bits I loved, some bits didn't really work, but damn there was so much to cram in, and overall I'm satisfied.

My only real nitpick complaints are that the final battle could have been a bit longer, and maybe given everyone more moments to shine? I feel like a few characters didn't really get any moments in there. What did Bucky do besides turn up at the start? Or Groot? Drax jumped on a guys back for all of two seconds. And what did Hulk actually do?

And also as someone else said above, man, during that line up moment I'd have loved to have seen the Defenders, Agents of SHIELD and even the Inhumans in the background.

Still, when all was said and done, it was a great film, and holy fuck at "Avengers Assemble". It's one of those moments you wanna burst out into tears, joy, laughter, just everything!

Hold on. Why wasn’t the plan to jump back in time just to get the Time Stone, use it to turn back time to the Battle of Wakanda and tell Thor to go for the head? Or just jump directly back to Wakanda and cut his head off?

Guess you shouldn’t pick it apart?

The scene where ant-man suggests killing baby thanos, they explain that the past is set in stone and you can't change it. Any changes they made to the past won't affect their present, but instead create a divergent timeline. So doing that wouldn't bring back the vanished. Thats why 2014 Nebula and Thanos can die without it affecting anything in the present timeline. It's basically just multiverse theory.

War Machine, not Ant-Man.

While the theater audience was very engaged, they didn't seem to care as much for Captain Marvel. Maybe because she's a newer character. There was no audible pop for her big return during the main fight, except for when she no sold Thanos' headbutt.

The "girl power" Avengers moment was kinda cool but felt a bit forced. But I also understand that it wasn't meant for me. I can imagine it meant a lot to young girls.

Since RP ruined Natasha and Tony's deaths, it did take me out of the moment. I would've loved to experience it without any prior knowledge.

I hope they don't just gloss over the fact that half the population of the world/universe is now 5 years older than the other half, and the chaos of that seems "big".

Maybe they aged the 5 years wherever they were?