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slik 10-06-2019 01:24 AM

agreed

when I look over social media the reviews from people watching are really positive overall, lots of "you have to see this" type comments

Destor 10-06-2019 10:10 AM

Agreed. I think the week 2 drop off for this will be much smaller than the average and id expect it to stay steady for several weeks

Damian Rey 2.0 10-06-2019 12:28 PM

It's already gonna clear $240m globally. This is a smash hit for Warner. And hopefully continues to push them in the directing of allowing their filmmakers artistic freedom.

Ruien 10-06-2019 12:45 PM

What is woke culture?

Destor 10-06-2019 12:50 PM

People who worship intersectionality

slik 10-06-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5290060)
What is woke culture?

At some point over the last few years it's shifted from people who were aware of discrimination to people obsessed with finding discrimination of some sort in practically everything

Seanny One Ball 10-06-2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5290060)
What is woke culture?


Damian Rey 2.0 10-07-2019 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5290071)
At some point over the last few years it's shifted from people who were aware of discrimination to people obsessed with finding discrimination of some sort in practically everything

My favorite are white people on Twitter trying to tell me, a Hispanic male who's faced discrimination and racism his entire life, how and why I should be offended by things that are not offensive.

Ol Dirty Dastard 10-07-2019 07:12 PM

lol Damo, I totally thought you were a fellow cracker. I've seen pics of you but it never computed. #Racist

Seanny One Ball 10-07-2019 07:24 PM

He's more Martin Sheen than Danny Trejo that's for sure

Seanny One Ball 10-07-2019 07:25 PM

Jesus Fucking Christ Danny Trejo is 75

Destor 10-07-2019 09:27 PM

Spoke with a normie today. He hated joker. As far as i can tell he expected an action film. He walked out on the 2nd act.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-08-2019 12:37 AM

Joker-9/10

I got what I expected and more. This movie does not try to promote, glorify or justify a triggered individual with mental health issues going over the edge. It is a dark, grim, hopeless and brutal 2 hour film about a man with a start to life so tragic, you realize he never had any real chance to be more than what he is.

SPOILER: show
The opening scene sets the tone for the film, and it's unforgiving from there. The first time we see Arthur jumped, you do feel a sense of pity for him. He's clearly mentally challenged and not an inherently bad man. When Arthur gets a taste of his first kill, you can see the gears in his head start to wind. The character goes from being pitiful and, to a point, sympathetic, to a slow decent into madness after seeing that his first murder is what makes him feel noticed.

The descent into madness is not immediate however. He does not go on some murderous spree immediately after. Instead, the film takes its time, setting up several series of events that both are a revelation to the viewer and to Arthur himself, the final one being the tipping point.

Arthur learns of true past. At least as true as the film would allow, and that, as the 3rd act begins, is the final step in Arthur embracing and becoming the Joker. He becomes unhinged, but calculating. His actions are not without merit, from his pov, and they are not senseless in that the kills relate to the story that came before them.

In the end, I walked out having enjoyed the movie. But it is not a fun movie. It is a contrast to the Dark Knight, where a hero sacrifices himself to take the fall for the betterment of his city, and in doing so, instills hope in the future of Gotham. Joker instead only promises a bleak, grim era of the city that, given the theme of the oppressed uprising, is only going to get worse.

Joaquin Phoenix is magnetic. Like any small scale Phoenix film, he's virtually in every single scene, and he owns every frame. The character's progression to several bad days, feeling depressed and hopeless, to embracing and relishing in the Joker persona, is top notch work from him. I would hope he gets an Oscar nod.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-08-2019 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5290984)
Spoke with a normie today. He hated joker. As far as i can tell he expected an action film. He walked out on the 2nd act.

He deserved to be disappointed. It would've taken all of 5 minutes to research the style of film.

Destor 10-08-2019 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5291068)
He deserved to be disappointed. It would've taken all of 5 minutes to research the style of film.

id say its a failure of the marketing team. Its not the consumers job to research. Some people arent plugged in and they dont have to be


In any case i found it interesting what a joe blow average movie goer was left with. Moreover the struggle it will be for comic films to transend into more than just blockbusters

Damian Rey 2.0 10-08-2019 12:51 AM

It wasn't marketed as an action film either.

My buddy is an average film goer and thought it was mediocre.

Destor 10-08-2019 12:58 AM

Cinemaphiles love it at least

Damian Rey 2.0 10-08-2019 01:55 AM

I've heard mostly good things from other average movie goers. It's making a killing at that box office. Interested to see what kind of legs it has.

Droford 10-08-2019 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5290009)
That's because people who are both in the woke culture and happen to be published film critics submitted their woke reviews and dragged the score down.

The best ones are the ones that basically say you can replace Joaquin Phoenix with Donald Trump

SPOILER: show
“At the end of the movie, a triumphant Fleck — seemingly dead, but magically revived by the cheers of a throng of clown-masked rioters — does a grotesque soft-shoe on top of a shattered cop car, literally dancing on the destroyed remains of the rule of law,” Yang concludes. “Imagine Fleck as Trump, shrugging off impeachment, rebounding with his roaring red-hatted supporters, winning reelection against every prediction and probability.”


El Vaquero de Infierno 10-08-2019 01:10 PM

I'm going to see it on Sunday.

I didn't have much interest towards the film on the run-up to its release, but all the good press from the far-leftie crowd makes me want to go see it.

GD 10-08-2019 10:31 PM

Vice has gone down the drain :nono:

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Triple A 10-08-2019 10:50 PM

I liked it. Mostly was really enjoyable but some parts felt corny 2 me, like when he was talking on the talk show and was all "I'm a mentally ill loner,,," and when all the clown mask guys were cheering and stuff around him at the end

Joaquin Phoenix is amazing and it is really fun to watch him in anything. Love him

Damian Rey 2.0 10-09-2019 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru Dave (Post 5291282)
Vice has gone down the drain :nono:

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This guy should never post another film review ever again. This was embarrassing.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-09-2019 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5291287)
I liked it. Mostly was really enjoyable but some parts felt corny 2 me, like when he was talking on the talk show and was all "I'm a mentally ill loner,,," and when all the clown mask guys were cheering and stuff around him at the end

Joaquin Phoenix is amazing and it is really fun to watch him in anything. Love him

I thought the end where the rioters all surround him and cheer for him was an amazing shot. Especially when he embraces them.

Triple A 10-09-2019 01:18 AM

How much of the movie was an original story and how much is "from the comic books"?

Like does he go on the talk show and stuff in the comic books?

Damian Rey 2.0 10-09-2019 02:02 AM

There are references yes. His revelation about where he really comes from is a nod in that the Joker has always been an enigma. The failed comedian bit is straight outta The Killing Joke. And in The Dark Knight Returns, he does go on a tv show posing as a reformed version of himself before, if I recall correctly, gassing the audience.

But like the Nolan films, the movie is its own thing. Takes some nods to the source material but an original take on it.

Triple A 10-09-2019 02:08 AM

What about thinking Thomas Wayne was his dad? Is that "canon"

And also Thomas Wayne's death... don't remember if he was just killed by random "hooligans" or if Joker's "henchmen" had anything to do with it in other versions

Damian Rey 2.0 10-09-2019 02:15 AM

The Waynes are killed for different reasons in each film series. Thomas wasn't hinted at being Joker's dad in any storyline that I know of.

God, Thomas Wayne was suchan asshole in this movie. There's literally one likeable character, and it's a pre teen boy who gets to watch his parents die. Again.

Triple A 10-09-2019 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5291287)
I liked it. Mostly was really enjoyable but some parts felt corny 2 me, like when he was talking on the talk show and was all "I'm a mentally ill loner,,," and when all the clown mask guys were cheering and stuff around him at the end

nvm just realized the end with the clown mask guys was another hallucination...

Movie was really cool upon reflecting on it today! Feel like watching it again

Loose Cannon 10-09-2019 08:09 PM

Movie was an A++++. absolutely loved it.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-09-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5291442)
nvm just realized the end with the clown mask guys was another hallucination...

Movie was really cool upon reflecting on it today! Feel like watching it again

I don't think that ending was a hallucination at all.

Triple A 10-09-2019 09:37 PM

Hmmm I guess it is ambiguous

I'm basing that on him being in the insane asylum in the next scene... if he was really freed by the clowns somehow, how'd he end up there? I guess he got arrested later? Why cut to that scene immediately?

But I guess if I think that, that also calls a bunch of other stuff into question, like if he actually appeared on the talk show, etc.

Maybe that stuff happened, but it was being told from his "warped perspective," making him come off as a "hero"

Just feel like the "cheering disciples" thing at the end didn't feel consistent with the "realistic" feeling of the rest of the movie, but did feel similar to the other scenes that were in his head, where he's cool and confident and people love him

GD 10-09-2019 09:41 PM

This might help

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Evil Vito 10-09-2019 10:22 PM

Gonna check this out over the weekend.

Lock Jaw 10-12-2019 03:45 AM

Saw it today..... yeah. @ the ending.... me and my friend had a discussion on whether it was hallucination or not..... I can't really say either way.... mad ambiguous.....

Blue Demon 10-22-2019 09:40 PM

Finally got around to seeing it tonight. I liked it....it's super dark, and I like how they tied Joker and Batman down the road somewhere coming to blows. It was a good performance by Phoenix and he definitely deserves an Oscar nod.

Destor 10-27-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5290010)
Marketing is likely betwee 20 and 35 mil. So if its high end they won't hit profits until Saturday next week. If its low end theyll see profits on sunday

Was just a tad off here. Marketing was 120 million (lol wut?) but it clearly paid off (pun intended) as Joker is set to have higher profit margins than infinity war when its all said and done.

Damian Rey 2.0 10-27-2019 04:07 PM

It's also taking the top box office spot back after getting bumped last week.


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