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#1-norm-fan 08-20-2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5472155)
the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

Lol it’s not any fanbase’s job to react the way they “should”. In any form of entertainment. Period.

It’s WWE’s job to draw the reactions and emotions out of people they want. If they can, they’ve succeeded. If they can’t, they’ve failed. It’s insane that this needs to be said.

Any unwanted reactions from an ENTIRE fan base comes from how they’ve been conditioned to respond over time. WWE has made themselves, as a company, heels and everything they do feeds into that. They’ve chased away casuals who might react like you want and left a group who is just here to “play along” with this dynamic they’ve made.

Bad News Gertner 08-20-2021 12:14 PM

Good heels never get booed nowadays.

#1-norm-fan 08-20-2021 12:35 PM

I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.

slik 08-20-2021 12:36 PM

Heel Reigns is the face Reigns fans wanted for years. Corbin is going to end up a super-face at this rate too.

drave 08-20-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5472317)
I’d say I’ve seen Reigns getting booed on clips I’ve watched but as much as WWE fucks with the audio, who knows.

MJF seems to get a good amount of heat from what I’ve seen though.




MJF is a better heel, IMO.


Reigns does his "I'm a badass, acknowledge me." and its alright I guess. Though his matches early on with the Uso crap where they would spend 15 minutes talking was stupid as fuck.





MJF is a fucking prick, and a believable one at that.

Fignuts 08-20-2021 02:12 PM

I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.

xrodmuc316 08-20-2021 06:02 PM

Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.

#1-norm-fan 08-20-2021 06:28 PM

Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.

Triple A 08-20-2021 06:30 PM

Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...

Mr. Nerfect 08-20-2021 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5472155)
shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

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Listen. To. This. Man.

GD 08-20-2021 06:42 PM

Does that man know how big Batista's dick is?

Lock Jaw 08-20-2021 06:55 PM

MJF more of a "Miz"-type heel, but that is actually "pushed consistently".... from what I have seen.... maybe he has "surpassed" The Miz now, but definitely got "Miz at his peak" kind of vibes from MJF....

Sepholio 08-20-2021 08:46 PM

MJF is a better version of The Miz at this point. It's like he did nothing but study what The Miz did and said to himself "now I'm going to do all of that better" and followed through.

Jordan 08-20-2021 08:51 PM

MJF is leagues above The Miz in the ring. Character wise MJF is in a different business altogether.

Yes I know The Miz had a good promo once on Talking Smack. That's it. He's always been a play actor wrestler. He's had times where he was close to being a real wrestler but pretty much he is crap.

xrodmuc316 08-21-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5472374)
Nothing Roman is doing is revolutionary or original either. If you think that’s a knock against someone then you’ve gotta take points away from both guys.

That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.

#1-norm-fan 08-21-2021 04:37 PM

Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.

Damian Rey 2.0 08-21-2021 06:47 PM

As is Miro. And there’s nothing wrong with needing or having a manager, especially if that manager perfectly plays off the talent and enhances their character, which is what Callis does for Omega and for now, Heyman does with Reigns and what Heyman did work Lesnar.

drave 08-23-2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5472336)
I honestly have to disagree. I love mjf, but no one acts that over top in real life, no matter how much of a dickhead they are. Reigns is the more realistic personality imo.

That said I could totally understand liking mjf more, as realistic doesn't necessarily mean more entertaining.


I can definitely dig heel Reigns, but at this point it is a bore. AAA's quote below nails it for me perfectly.


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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5472368)
Fig is right, MJF is a dimestore by the book heel. Nothing he does is revolutionary, or even original. That is not to say he is not good at it, because he is, but lets not go overboard. He is nowhere near Roman's level.


He has had tons more originality to his promos than Reigns has. Reigns said some shit the first few weeks, now he repeats those same few lines but inserts a different name. Not taking away from him, it is what "creative has for him". It is just tiring now.


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Originally Posted by Triple A (Post 5472377)
Feels like Roman Reigns does the same "acknowledge me" schtick every single week... seems like it was cool at first but seems boring and repetitive now that it's been going on for like a year... What is he doing that is so creative or revolutionary...


Exactly this right here. Something should have evolved a bit by now, a little bit anyway.


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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5472733)
That is also correct. That said, I'll take a dominant badass heel over what MJF does. I'll take what Miro is doing over what Omega is doing as well.


Two different archetypes. Both are doing great with what they have. Really enjoy Miro's "Redeemer" promos. Why not both?



I can see people popping more when MJF gets his ass beat, or booing the fuck outta him and probably throwing whatever can be thrown, when he becomes AEW champ. He's had a slow burn rising, but has always remained hot. When he finally does ascend, it is going to piss people off in a very major way.


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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5472762)
Reigns also needs Paul Heyman to make the act work.

MJF gets points for being one man. He’s his own Paul Heyman.


Right? Even Heyman was beginning to become tiresome with Lesnar toward the end. I get that sing along with the champ gives everyone the warm fuzzies, but it also urges me to change the channel.

XL 08-23-2021 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5472155)
shes completely right. if he was indispensable he wouldnt have been dispensed.

you can blame creative, thats fine, but if your shit aint over your career will be. the end result is the same; doesnt matter who you blame.

the audience plays a major role in who eats and who starves and theyre a major factor in how the creative is shaped. if theyd boo heels they like and cheer babies they like and sit on their hands for the rest the business would improve 10 fold. but since theyre not actually smart, in the carny sense, this'll never happen.

if you dont see a correlation in the products quality and it being over ran by "smarks" (and fuck do i ever use that term loosely and begrudgingly) its only because your either not looking or unwilling to see it.

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The audience should play a major role, and should shape creative but you can’t genuinely say that’s what happens in WWE. There’s far too much evidence to the contrary. You’re asking the audience to just like what they’re being served regardless if it tastes like shit.

Gerard 08-23-2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5468968)
Ronda Rousey getting in on it:


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It's amusing how much of a drama queen she is, she can't accept the fact she got booed and takes it personally. Then again this is the same person who Joe Rogan was never done "bigging up" in a ufc division with no real competition, when she actually got competition she got her ass handed to her, vanished and was supposedly contemplating suicide. :wtf:

Not sure if she has the mindset to be involved in wrestling if she's still taking all this personally. Cena was getting hostile reactions for the better part of a decade and took it all in his stride, she was just getting booed not even remotely on the level of Cena for a couple of months and it drove her up the wall.

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drave 08-23-2021 10:41 AM

It's still real to her, damnit!

Lock Jaw 08-23-2021 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5473344)
The audience should play a major role, and should shape creative but you can’t genuinely say that’s what happens in WWE. There’s far too much evidence to the contrary. You’re asking the audience to just like what they’re being served regardless if it tastes like shit.

No, he was giving a hypothetical world where the audience liked what they like (and reacted with the proper boos or cheers), and for the stuff they don't like they would just be silent.

Gerard 08-23-2021 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 5473372)
It's still real to her, damnit!

Seems to be. :shifty:

Mr. Nerfect 08-30-2021 04:56 PM

Wrestling fans are definitely the worst. Their reactions to things, which often aren’t genuine, do often make the product impenetrable. I’ve said this before, but I know several people who refuse to go to wrestling shows or, especially, take their families to wrestling shows, because the fans are obnoxious twats that ruin the enjoyment for everyone else.

They think they’re so clever, but they’re not smart enough to see how they could enhance shows rather than hinder them. Easiest people in the world to work too. They still get worked even when you tell them you’re working and they’re absolutely hostile to the idea of being worked. It’s incredible.

drave 08-31-2021 08:44 AM

^


that post is a work, brudda

James Steele 08-31-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5472375)
Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.



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