I was considering Wade, I don't really know why I picked Arenas.

I agree Dampier isn't an All Star at all this season, but Yao just gets way more credit than he deserves. I forgot about Brad Miller though, thats who I would probably choose if I voted again. As for Ginobili, I just think he has had a great first half.

Yao is not dominant at all. He is a huge disappointment I think.

The Bulls have been on TV here once since Jordan's last game with them in 98. That was yesterday, when they lost to Phili. Couldn't have been today when they owned the Wolves, or a few days ago when they owned the Cavs could it?

KR a big bulls fan eh? :D

Tony Allen for the Celtics is doing WORK. I don't really like the team this year tho, not a huge fan of Ricky Davis or his game. Pierce has been pissing me off this year aswell, he forces way too much shit. Celtics got more players this year then they had last year, he doesn't have to carry the load this year as much and force so much shit. Him forcing everything is really hurting the team IMO. They got some young good players though. Jefferson will be a monster, he is staright out of high school and he has already been beasting people downlow. Like I said Allen is doing work, and West was putting up stats but then he got hurt once again. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

It's the first time since they had Miller Brand and Artest that they're actually showing some potential :D

Why they couldn't have just drafted some guards to go with those three, or better yet when they traded Miller and Artest for Jalen Rose and Travis Best they should have kept Brand, drafted Chandler or Curry (whichever was available and built a decent team.

They traded away four all stars for two high schoolers. Blind Freedy could see how stupid that was going to be.

These days a team including Miller at Centre, Brand at PF and Artest at SF (barring suspension of course...) would kick some arse with a semi-decent point man.

Makes me angry... like I want to stab Jerry Krause in the eye with a stick... :mad: :mad: :fuckoffangry:

:eek:

Kirk Hinrich would be having a field day with those three. ;)

The mistake ESPN made was showing that game at all. I can't believe they showed Bulls and 76ers over the Kings and Timberwolves.

Kings-Wolves was the 2nd of the doubleheader which we didn't get :cry:

Dez: :D I like Hinrich, actually a smart draft choice for once.

Bulls-Mavs 93-92 with 7 seconds left. I hate following games on nba.com

93-94 Mavs with 3 seconds left :'(

:'( :'( :'( 94-93 Mavs final

So close...

I am a big Kirk Hinrich fan aswell. I think he is a really good PG, and could work well if the Bulls build this team right. The future of this team is Hinrich and Loul, not Eddy Curry or any of those other underachievers. They need a legit big man and they will be good soon. They'll probably just be stupid and draft Dee Brown insted.

Pistons had a good win last night, it's just they need to start stepping it up. Billups needs to start coming through with more points (Hamilton and R. Wallace are carrying this team lately)

Yeah Kirk is the man. KANSAS :love:

MISSOURI :rant:

Bama

if Curry and Chandler started maturing a little....

Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Chandler-Curry would be pretty sick.

Isn't Gordon on the trading block? I thought I read the Nuggets were in the market for him. Its funny how the Bulls got Deng, Gordon, and Duhon. They could probably win a NCAA Title with those guys!

Curry starting to put some performances together again, so's Chandler for that matter.

Another win tonight :D

Apparently Vince Carter is about to be traded to the Nets for Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Mourning and 2 first round draft picks.

I duno, but that seems like a lot to give up to get VC. Though, a trio of VC, Kidd and Jefferson is intriguing. They just need some rebounders to get them the ball.

Well I'm glad to see Carter go and I like what Aaron Williams brings to the team and Alonzo will be nice too. Hopefully those first rounders pan out.

The Nets are retarded. Vince Carter is like the Michael Vick of basketball (flashy player who has highlight real plays and is the man in video games but isn't really that good) except Michael Vick doesn't suck dick.

All these analysits are coming out and saying that the Nets are gonna be able to run like nobodies business with Carter, Jefferson and Kidd. I don't know what Raptors games these guys have been watching.

The more I look at this move the stupider the Nets look. The trade two big guys for a wussy version of RJ on a good day.

And the draft picks belong to Philli and Denver so they probably won't be very high.

The picks are lottery protected i think. I don't think the Nets upgraded that much, they will get killed in the middle against any team with an avarage center, good luck against Shaq . And the experts say they will be a run n' gun like the Suns or Sonics, except ..the Nets don't have ANYONE besides the big 3 and the Suns have like 8 deep that can go on a rampage.

Now the talk is that Alonzo is going to either be bought up and resigned by Miami as a FA or else involved in some sort or trade with Miami.

I don't really understand that logic, they already have Shaq and Alonzo is much better then a backup to Shaq. I bet if they make him a FA both the Wolves and the Spurs go after him, as both teams could use the center help.

22-3 :love:

Can the Suns actually win it? I think so

Past 3 years

"lol, you like the Suns?"

who's making fun of me now?

I am. They won't be able to beat the Spurs or Wolves in the playoffs.

22-3 says they can

nah I dunno. They are playing well right now but now isnt the playoffs

I don't want to overstate anything or make any rash predictions of anything, but i will say this:

The Bulls are the greatest team in the history of the world, at any sport, ever.

Winning 4 in a row is almost as big of an achievement as winning 72 in 96 :D

All is forgiven Eddy Curry :eek:

I just don't think Amare can win 4 games against Tim Duncan.

anybody watching Pistons/Pacers? Just turned it on. Looks like a good one.

Also, :y: :y: to Pacers rocking them throwbacks.

I watched the end, neither team was looking very good if you ask me. Also, I don't get why Larry Brown was so sickened be the game being broadcasted nationally.

OK, so apparantly the Knicks are still interested in Wally Szczerbiak and the New York media is reporting that talks are in the works. Not saying I wouldn't take Kurt Thomas in an instant, but the Knicks and their media is just retarded. Of course they would be interested in Wally, he is playing great right now, but that doesn't mean he is going to be traded.

Then I can't understand the Knicks logic in even looking into a move like this.

A. Kurt Thomas has been playing really well this season

B. They already have plenty of good swingmen, Wally would just get cluttered

C. The Knicks have a huge payroll that doesn't even begin to go down until 2006, why trade a moderately priced good center for an overpriced above average winger?

Sprewell is going to be the T-Wolf that is traded, I guarantee it. He is by far the worst of all the spotlight guys, the cancer of the team. Add that to him having an expiring contract, just like Rasheed last year a team like Atlanta will take him for cap room next season. It would actually make a lot of sense for the Knicks to take Sprewell and clear up some cap room for next season, not to mention his boner for New York, but I doubt that happens.

What is best for the Wolves, in my opinion, is just to dish Spree off to a team like Atlanta that is looking for cap room, and then just get a draft pick and a piece of shit in return. The Wolves can't try to get equal value for Spree unless its a center, because we are way too cluttered in the GF positions.

It should be like this
PG Cassell
SG Wally
SF Hassell
PF KG
C Ervin J

1. Eddie Griffin
2. Troy Hudson
3. Kandi
4. The Mayor
5. Madsen
6. Anthony Carter

off the bench, it is too cluttered as it is, getting a DP for Spree is plenty. If we could somehow package Kandi and get a real center back it would be amazing, but if not we could work with him.

BTW, Eddie Griffin = 6th Man of Year

Kings get:
G Cuttino Mobley

Magic get:
G Doug Christie

wtf I don't get this trade at all

Dunno its hard to say...Mobley is a really good player but is playing ass this year, I take it the Kings are looking for offense to make up for Peja's drop and Bobby Jacksons injury, and just hoping that Mobley goes back to last years form. It's kind of like a trade of underachieving guards. I don't know much about Orlando but apparantly they want a defensive stopper instead of a three point threat. We'll see what happens.

GO SONICS

Yes, Lamarrrr scored a whole what, 5 points?

:?:

They came back from a 16 point deficit to beat Minnesota last night, Kobe had 32 points on 19 shots and Chris Mihm had a big double double. They are obviously doing something right.

Or the Wolves suck

Why exactly are you confused?

lol@tioe

Well you are apparently laughing at this decision by the Lakers despite them coming away with a pretty convincing win the first night they used it. Isn't that reason to be confused? Or are you just looking at the smaller picture of Lamar? I look at the big picture which is the W. Don't mess with Mihm.

lol

I was referring to Lamar's increased performance. They predicted him to thrive in the triangle. Obviously, he didn't. He needs to, seeing as how I have him in fantasy basketball.

Also, I was also just posting it to get a laugh out of the John Kerry reference.

Well I would still make fun of you for liking them the last three years. I liked them back in the day, Barkley days. :love:

Then you can make fun of me for liking them the last 13. ;)

The Suns are far and away the coolest team in the NBA right now. The Suns and the Spurs are far and away the best teams in the NBA right now.

I went to the Suns and Timberwolves game last week and I must say, Amare is awesome. He just looks badass and then throws down dunks like a badass. Then Marion is a stud with his goofy release and three point accuracy. Steve Nash is awesome in this new system, by far the most fun team to watch in the NBA.

I hate the Spurs, and even though they don't have the record you could make a case that they are the best in the NBA right now. They have a good coach and a really strong core of players. Besides Rasho, they have a really good starting lineup, but Rasho doesn't really hurt them that much. They aren't fun or cool to watch, and their players have little to no charisma, but they are such a solid fundamental team and so good on defense that I could see them stopping Phoenix in the Western Finals.

The Suns have the perfect system for the players they have. Amare can throw it down. Nash drives, grabs the double team, and then he has three great guys from beyond the arc (thats not counting Barbosa either). I guess im going on and on, but the Suns are sweet.

BCWWF, just for the record I am rubber and you are glue. All of your bad reps bounce off of me and stick to you

See I can be childish too

You're just an idiot that adds nothing to threads, I don't give out negative reps because I personally don't like you, I give out negative reps when somebody makes a bastard comment that adds nothing to the discussion. So I don't really care.

Now that the Jason Kidd rumors have kind of been turned off, the word now is that there may be a Latrell Sprewell for Baron Davis type trade in the works.

I know you are but what am I?

Mavericks/Bobcats TONIGHT FOR ME.

Man, this cheap ticket stuff is great. $15 a game. Decent seats. Coming from NY, it's like :eek:

Do they have a new arena or is it the same that the Hornets played in?

yea, same one. But they're building a new one across the street or some shit. lol

Gonna have a lot more luxury sweets.

15 dollars?!?! That's sweet, I wish Knicks tickets were that cheap.

The cheapest Wolves tickets are $22 I think, and that is upper deck in the corners. I wish you could get decent lower level tickets for less then like $60, it seems like the only way you can get a ticket to a Wolves game is if somebody's Dad has company tickets or something.

yea, saw the Knicks in DEC and again I'm going in March.

So I still get to see the Knicks, just fo $15 now. :)

Damn, I kind of want to stay in tonight. Spurs vs. Suns (w/ Nash back) on ESPN @ like 9:30 or something. That could be a great game.

The Suns :love:

They are so fucking good! They are up be like 12 in the third right now. Steve Nash is soooo good, I now believe that he should be the MVP. Look at how he changes this team. Franchise record start, he goes out four games and they lose them all, he comes back and now they are dominating the best team in the NBA.

Marion :heart: He is so amazing. He has had the last 15 points or something for the Suns, and he is on my fantasy team cleaning up shop. Q just hit another three, these guys just don't stop! Amare is a stud too. You have to love the Suns, there is no team in basketball more fun to watch. They have the Spurs completely off their game right now, the SPURS! The most disciplined team in the league.

I :heart: the Suns

Sucks that they lost and all.

I know, but you can't ask for much more from Steve Nash his first night back from an injury. If they meet in the playoffs it will be the best basketball we have seen in years.

Ginobli :eek:

Haven't seen a game like that where 3 guys just don't seem to be missing, Manu, Marion and Amare.

ROFL BCWWF

Getting all excited to see the Suns falter like they did.

The thing about the way the Suns play is that they are going to get too tired too fast.

It doesnt matter if it's a young team, the year will drag on and the nights will get longer.

Anyway, Spurs are the man and I wish I could've seen the game.

(Went to a local hockey game to watch the team LOSE in sudden death)

The Spurs are the only team in the NBA that will be able to beat the Suns on a consistant level. Even if the Suns won last night I still think I would be saying that. They are too solid and consistant. The Suns could take any other team in a 7 game series, be it the Heat, the Mavericks, the Sonics, whoever. If they can figure out how to work Barbosa into the lineup or else trade and get a spark plug off the bench they cuold have a chance at the Spurs.

Wow. I can't wait till June so I can quote this.

The Suns can't play consistently like this for 81+ games. They don't play defense and they are going to be exhausted down the stretch. And past the starting 5, who do they have? Steven Hunter? Bo Outlaw? They simply dont compare in terms of depth with teams like Seattle, San Antonio, etc. The Suns have no one to come off the bench in the playoffs when Steve Nash and Amare Staudamire are incapable of standing up. Really, have you watched the Dallas Mavericks the last 4 years? Fun in the regular season, doesnt translate to championships.

I don't know if KG is struggling or playing more as a teammate or what, but his numbers have seemed low the past few games. In the meantime Eddie Griffin has been coming up huge on the boards and blocks and stuff. I can't imagine KG becoming less selfish then he already is, I guess now a distinguished forward with him is taking the pressure off. Now just to get rid of Olowokandi :mad:

They now have Jim Jackson. He should be a spark off the bench actually.

We dumped off Jacobsen though, I really liked him. Great touch from the perimeter.

It is being reported that the Suns are trying to unload Joe Johnson in an effort to bring in Sameul Dalembert. Am I the only one who thinks that idea is awful? Johnson has been a key part of their success thus far, he is the top three point shooter in the league this season and the Suns live on the three point shot. If they are going to go after a guy like that, they just need to give up a draft pick and a guy that is expiring after the season, like Bo Outlaw. Samuel Dalembert backing up Amare with Barbosa or something starting instead of JJ is awful. If they want to trade Joe Johnson, why not for Shareef? That would make sense, more Marion back to SF or something. I am trying to think of a better backup to Amare that wouldn't require trading a starter...Joe Smith? Lorenzen Wright or Stromile Swift? Lee Nailon? Olowokandi? Ratliff? I dunno, just don't give up Joe Johnson for Samuel Dalembert PLEASE!

Dalembert is good because he is a big guy who can move and thus fits into their offensive system. Shareef would slow down the team considerably. Swift would be a great addition but they don't have the players to acquire him.

And these guys are right. The Suns won't go far in the playoffs. Q and Nash have bad backs and obviously they can't play without Nash. Plus the depth factor is huge and the fact that they won't see a really good half court defense until the playoffs

If Nash goes down, after last week it really is quite obvious that the Suns are done. Q would hurt a lot, but obviously not as much as Nash. If they go into the playoffs shorthanded like that then I can see them losing in the first round to the Lakers or something. If it works out where they come into the playoffs with their starting 5 healthy though, I don't see a team that can stop them besides the Spurs.

The Mavericks are just a poor mans Suns in my opinion.

The Kings are old, fragile, and overrated in my opinion.

The Timberwolves don't have any drive this year

The Sonics are too inexperienced and I expect them to break down, not completely, but I don't see them holding strong into the playoffs.

The Lakers will get there but they don't have the talent to go anywhere

The Rockets just don't seem to have the edge that it takes to win big games in the playoffs

I think that the Spurs will pretty much roll through the playoffs because they are so consistant and good on defense. I think that the West is still as a whole much stronger then the East, but the Spurs and Suns are the only two elite teams, before there were like four even five elite teams in the West. I don't think any team but the Spurs can hold of a healthy Suns.

Suns want to get rid of Joe Johnson because he is going to ask for a zillion dollars next year. Q can fill his spot. Hunter can take center. Everything will be hunky-dory.

People who make predictions piss me off though. Suddenly they are "pshycic". What they don't know is that they are annoying and need to shut up. That's why I usually stay out of threads like this. I don't want to be told how to root for my team.

I guarantee you that taking away one of Phoenix's three point threats and adding Hunter into the mix will do nothing but hurt them. One of the reasons they are so successful now is because they can kick it out and have four well above average three point shooters.

Are you talking about the highest percentage or highest total threes? Because he is second in %, hes in the top 10 (lower half) in three pointers made I think.

Jim Jackson then. Sure, it's a step down, but it's better than nothing. And every time Hunter is in, he does very well. He's 100 times better than Voskuhl. But it'd still be nice to get a different center. So in other words...

don't worry about it.

PHX average age: 26
SEA average age: 26

You can think all you want that the Susn are better, I dont care, but at least give a real reason. Next time try backing your statements up with support other than just saying "because it's my opinion".

BTW Hornets are the best team in the league in my opinion.

Average age is the least of the factors that I am talking about when I say they are inexperienced. I am talking about years as a starter, playoff experience, years together as a team, etc. IMO Ray Allen is the only all star caliber player on the Sonics right now and the only player with lots of experience. All five of the Suns starters could be considered all-star caliber in my opinion.

The average age factor isn't even accurate. The Suns don't play their whole team, Steve Nash is 31 and has been in the playoffs with the Mavericks for like the past five years or so. Shawn Marion is 27 and has been in the playoffs before. Marion and Stoudemire played in the Olympics. Johnson, Amare, and Marion have been playing with each other for three years now. Nash and Marion have both played in the all star game, Amare was rookie of the year, and Amare and Joe Johnson both played in the rookie all star game. That is experience and proven talent that I think the Suns have and the Sonics don't.

I like the Sonics as much as the next guy, they are one of my favorite teams too, but to honestly think that they finish the year as hot as they started is novice. I say in my opinion after I state my opinion because it is my opinion and if I didn't state that I would have the same people whining "Just because its your opinion doesn't mean its the only thing thats right."

Just a thought, if the Suns need Steve Nash to win because he gets so many assists, how come they don't trade and get Brevin Knight as a backup? It seems like he could be better then whoever they have now even though he sucks.

We had Brevin Knight. :p

Oh shit Steve Nash played in an all-star game, good point man that's all the experience you need.

If you've watched the Mavs at all the last few years Nash is always fatigued after 81 games. Staudamire was in the playoffs once, first round exit. Mad experience.

Also nobody is gay enough to post stuff like "Just because its your opinion doesn't mean its the only thing thats right." this isnt the wrestling forum

Well I guess its just me, but I consider all-star selections, playoff appearances, and team chemistry a better determination of league experience then age :roll: OK, so Nash has a history of slowing down on the Mavs, but the Sonics have a history of what exactly? They came out of nowhere with hardly any established players based on anything except age, the Suns have players who are established as good, which is why they will finish with a better record then the Sonics. Good attempt to belittle me, but you'll have to have a little more then the teams average age (uncited mind you) and calling me gay to get a point across.

According to PTI, Phil Jackson could be taking over the Timberwolves next season :eek: I like Flip and am a fan of Flip, but the history doesn't lie with Phil Jackson. He could finish the job back at home. I wonder what truth is behind it.

Its been a while since this thread was posted in, but there are a few huge trades that have been rumored lately.

1. Lamar Odom for Peja

2. Caron Butler and others for Boozer

Kobe doesn't like giving up the ball in any situation, let alone to a shooter like Peja. They need some inside help more than anything. Odom probably wouldn't be a bad fit for the Kings though.

I like the Boozer one for the Lakers. I don't think any will happen though.

GO SONICS

5 minutes till all-star game...

Yeah I don't see the Peja one going through, but really the Boozer one might make its share of sense. Kobe and Chucky outside, Boozer and Mihm inside, and Odom in the middle. They would be a really solid team, not sure how realistic that would be though. It also had stuff about Latrell Sprewell for Jason Kidd straight up, but I couldn't see that happening ever, it would be sweet though.

My boy AI getting the MVP... Yeahhh Brotha now the fucking playoffs...:shifty:

I heard Kidd wants to go to Minnesota (And I didn't hear this from BCWWF...surprisingly)

All Star game was pretty hot. Vince Carter's dunk was sick. Seeing Grant Hill catch an ally-oop was pretty sweet too. Dwayne Wade had a nasty dunk on the baseline too.

Starting to get back into the NBA again

Well the story broke about a week ago. To be perfectly honest I don't believe the story, it sounds like one of those things that some guy found and blew completely out of perportion and that Kidd actually has never even mentioned Minnesota in a serious manner. The way you say that seems kind of negative though?

Nah I wasn't taking a shot at you. Kind of a joke, letting posters know I heard something about the T'Wolves getting somebody big and it didn't come from you.

Oh aight, just checking.

There is a lot of talk about Gary Payton coming to the Wolves for Sam Cassell. Personally, I am a fan of GP and really wanted him to join the T-Wolves a few years ago when there was a chance, and right now I think he might be able to help the Wolves, but I would hate to see him traded because I think he has a really good thiing going with the Celtics right now. It would be a shame if they traded him for a pissy Sam Cassell just because he is expiring.

I heard the Glove for Alien trade.

Think that would do MN a lot of good.

The only trade that I really liked so far has been Spree and Cassell for Kidd, but that trade is obviously probably a lot more speculation then truth

Webber to Philly :o

Good trade for Philly, not sure why the Kings traded him, was he unhappy? Good for Iverson he needs help hopefully they do well in the playoffs.

AND GOD why is Seattle so fuckin cheap, RE-SIGN ALLEN you dickwads, he is the shit. If they trade him they better get Duncan or someshit :mad: Ray is like one of the big reasons of this years success.

steven a said because of cap reasons. 80 million in the next 4 years so they got rid of him.

Wow, the 76ers are going to be amazing now and the Kings are going to be horseshit.

Cap reasons and he was criticizing some players on the Kings in the offseason, I dunno if he named names but it was some obvious comments about Peja

And it wasn't an awful trade. The Kings got Skinner, Thomas and Corliss. That is alot of size and grit

A friend and I just had a big debate (more for the sake of arguing then anything else), but I said that C-Webb wouldn't play in New York tomorrow night and he said that he would. Do you think he will be playing?