What reactions?

The only player to respond was Harrsion who called him Vender-Jerk, but refrenced when he (vanderjadt) bitched about manning and dungy.

Most people just found it funny and also suprised, the colts (like the Pats, unlike the steelers) normally don't give the other team buliten board material.

That wasn't an illegal hit at all. Did you even see the play? There was no flag, there wasn't even ever consideration of an "illegal hit" there. He led with his shoulder. I think Waynes hands where on the ball, but I'm not totally sure. Hands on it or not, thats the type of hits you gotta lay on the Colts and get into there heads.

No.

Also Vanderjagt is a moron. :mad:

If you guys are gonna bite my shit atleast do it right. If you put ">" you don't need than. > represents "greater than"

First of all Von , Its simple math...

On regular turf conditions...From a scale of 0-10

Colts team speed= 9.5

Patriots team speed= 7.5

On sloppy foxboro feild conditions...

Colts team speed=7.5

Patriots team speed=5.0

Where still FASTER THEN YOU!(imo)

Gertner you can have Corey Dillon. I'll take Edge. Watch who wins. BTW check the stats . Theres a reason Edge is in the probowl and not Corey Dillon. Its because when your a running back on a team that has 3 1000's yrd, 10 td recievers and a Record breaking qb (for td pass's) And you STILL manage to put up 1500 yards rushing and 600 recieving and 7 td. Your a good fuking rb. So we'll see how it plays out in the game. I'm not gunna be worried.

Stima...Yes i've seen the play a million times. In my opinion the ball was totally un catchable and Wilson looked as if he left his feet after the ball was done thrown over Waynes head. Now i thought that there was a rule about not Hitting that late in a play. I may be wrong. But i'm positive theres a rule that say'd that you cant launch your self into a player. Which you picture clearly shows. And the play even in slow motion (cause i got the tape ) looked as if he led with forearms to Waynes head.( Again all my opinion.)

I dont like how this is getting made out to be in the media.. Its like everyone is making the Patriots out to be this incredible under dog team. Everyone is like " Hows Belechek gunna game plan " " How are the Patriots gunna beat these Colts. Geez last tiem i checked New England was the top dog. Foxboro was the dungeon we didnt want to play at and the Patriots wehre the team that always calls are bluff. Now its like roll reversal and we havent even won the game yet. So yah i dont think theres fear in the locker room of the patriots. But i do think theres been some doubt instilled and i think that we may have gotten in there heads a little bit with our kicker making those comments.

This game is gunna be epic.

I wish the Patriots were at full strength, that would be an amazing game. For the record, if the Pats were at full strength I still think this would be one helluva close game where either team could win, I am sure VEL, Stima, Gertner and co will disagree though ;)

GREATER THAN

I tried to post a "greater than or equals to" symbol once but it didn't work :rant:

lol.

Not me, the Colts have a great team this year, but simply the Pats and Belicheck has always had Mannings number, so till either he proves otherwise (ie: wins on Sunday) or the Pats have a horrible team, I pick the Pats.

First of all, where are you getting these "speed" numbers, and what players/positions are you counting?

Second, for a huge colts fan, it's amazing how little you know about your own team. The Colts ue their speed, but their offense is all about timing patterns, manning steps back and will throw the ball where he expects the WR to be at a certain point, yes most QB's do this, but the Colts do it all the time, which works great on Turf in a dome. It also allows manning to release the ball faster and gives the WR a slight advatage cause they know where the ball will be and when.

The porblem is w/ a messy field, you slip, you're slower, etc... etc... timing patterns suck.

Today it rained a little, and there's talk of rain tonight. Apperently the NFL rules say that the NFL has "control" of the field 24hrs before kickoff, so the Pats can do what they want, but if the NFL wants on Saturday they can force them to cover the field, also the Pats are one of the newer fields that has heating under it, so if the field did freeze they could use the heat to warm/melt the ice which creates more of a mess.

Anyway, this is getting old, so I'm done w/ the whole pats v. colts comparison... we can discuss it again after then game.

It should be a close game, and taking into account current field conditions I pick the Pats. Another reason is the style of "run defense" the Colts use. They don't stay back to stuff the run, they blitz w/ the theroy a blitzing player can stop the RB on his way at the QB. I don't think that system works well on a sloppy field.

All being said, if this game was in Indy, w/ the Pats current injuries, I'd have to (w/ my head, not my heart) pick Indy.

But that's why the better team during the season gets home field advantage... and times like these, it helps.

In the SB XXXIX I'm predicting N.Y. Jets vs. New England Patriots, 38-24 win for New England.

:lol:

Does this take in the fact that some of New Englands Key Starters are injuried and wont be playing..



Also the weather is suppose to be nice in the upper thirties..So Manning will be playing Great.

and which team do you think will transfer to the NFC?

Ok there Sean Salisburry...

Let's explain a few things about New England weather.

1) The weather people don't know what's actually going to happen most the time.

2) Yesterday was snow, sleet and rain, today rain, tomorrow calls for rain and then snow, Saturday partly cloudy and Sunday mostly cloudy.
They had pics of the field in the paper today, it looks like a swamp, there is no tarp and wont be, w/ the possible exception of 24hrs before kickoff which by league rules is when the NFL takes "control of the playing surface".
As for the temp, right now it says high of 33, low of 16. The kick off is scheduled for 4:45pm, it will probably be in the 20's and into the teens by the 2nd qtr.

The reason I called you Sean Salisburry, he was on ESPN going off about how it's going to be a nice sunny day, and someone finally explained to him in Foxboro, in January at 4:45pm, THERE IS NO SUN! official "Sunset time" for sunday calls for 4:40pm, then factor a cloudy day... and forget it, no sun, and it will be cold.

As I said, switch fields, and put this game in Indy and I'd pick the Colts. Or even make the field in good shape and the weather warmer... but this field is going to be the "12th man" in the same way the carpet/dome is the "12th man" for Indy.

So yeah, people keep spouting off about NE weather and most of them (See: Sean Salisbury for example) have no clue what they're talking about.

I wanna see a good game. :love:

All I was saying is that there wont be rain or snow during the game and its going to be in the thirties...which you basically repeated. Rain is suppose to end tomorrow..I live about a hour from Pittsburgh and Cleveland the front of rain has already ended here and should by mid day tomorrow be finished through NE (the front is moveing at 60+mph) the feild may be wet but not frozen. Im sure the feild will be cleaned tomorrow after the rain stops and covered.

Again, if you take the current predicte weather, it wont be 30 at game time.

oh, and it wont be cleaned/covered. The only way they will cover the field is 24hrs before kickoff (saturday) if the league forces them.

now talking chance of Snow sunday night, flurries getting heavier at night.

*does a snow dance and asks the gods for snow*

they reported today that the feild has been covered since thursday and will be uncovered tonight to Paint the 50 yard logo. The NFL stated the feild is in excellent condition.

Yea the field was covered the other night I guess

People are getting way to into if the field is covered or not, I don't know. It needs to be shitty out during the game to play a big effect. The field is gonna be a sloppy track regardless, doesn't matter if it's been covered or not.

well I did last year and I guess again this year, I'm going for the Pats now. Mainly cause they're Northeast and I can't stand Payton Manning for some reason.

So Screw the Colts.

Fucking Jets

isn't Philly the northeast to :o

Just cheer for the vikes...

Can't believe I am going to miss this game. First time in forever when I have worked Sunday evening. :'(

I heard they did and then took it off before the lines... whatever, as stima said... it will be sloppy.

Plus there is now snow talk.

2 keys for the pats to win.

1) Run the ball.

2) get the colts timing off, weather it's fields or bumping. I wouldn't be suprise to see them bump the TE's and WR's and give edge an open field.

I dunno but if we get by the Pats tommorow Willy Williams will have a huge target on his back after todays Jets/Steelers game.

probably is and so is Steelers

But I consider them Mid-Atlantic

Colts :y:

Colts....although I have Doubts.....plus if the colts win they have to go up against Pittsburgh...where again ill have doubts...heres Dreaming Superbowl XXXIX is Colts vs. Eagles

I'm nervous, but i got the avatar up.

You've done nothing but talk about how the Colts will kill the Pats...

What are you Nervous about?

I'm a huge Colts fan but I seriously don't know about this game. :o

I'm hoping for a good game and for us to squeak by.

Mad worried though. :mad:

Colts need to win now to make me 4 for 4 this weekend....Its going to be close.

well its snowing......Crap.

COLTS... PATS... SNOW...

I have never been so excited about a football game in my life.

MANNNIINNNNNGGG!

That is all. Gonna go watch now.

game is going to be a lower scoring game

6-3 halftime.. hmmm.. pats doin good of slowin down the colts so far, colts got a nice drive in the end though. cnat wait for the 2nd half

Colts baby, they gotta bring the win home.

Colts -vs- Falcons in the Superbowl :D

Pats look to have this one, which kind of sucks for Peyton, but really his chances went down the drain when the snow started coming down. He just doesn't look confident, they show him walking off the field shaking his head and he is getting frustrated with his players. He is going to have to get home field if he wants to get there.

I really must say, the Patriots are a really cool team. I don't know why, but in a game like this I just look at them as like holier than thou. Its nighttime and snowing and there are the Patriots. I love the uniforms, they make the Colts look like a shitty high school team going up against the best team in the league. Then they just have such cool players on their defense, Tedy Bruschi (spell), Rodney Harrison, I know they aren't here but Ty Law and Nate Poole, just their whole team is badass. They are just a really classy team and I hope they win the Superbowl again.

haha, fuckin colts.

Colts suck in snow :/

Bruschi is a machine

Die Patriots.

Pats/Falcons superbowl should be ok I guess.

He sucks meat, He sucks meat. He sucks meat. Today at least, hey, great job to the pats, amazing performance, i hope htye beat the steelers, then lose in the Superbowl

will rectal pertruder shut up now? He has no reason to post anymore. :haha:

How did your team do this year Tonavin ;)

Manning didn't choke or fuck up, the Patriots defense was better. They didn't let Mannings recievers get open, so theres not much more he can do. I would barely say he choked, his team just wasn't the better team, but unfortunately for him the common perception is going to be "Peyton choked"

Steelers Eagles Superbowl....

Wooo!

Rectal needs a new Avatar!

Eagles - Patriots I think

Which one goes in my sig?


Manning did play well, his "Great WR Core" didn't, I don't fault them for not getting open, I fault the WR/TE/RB for the Drops and Fumbles.

lol VEL, Troy Brown shut down Stokely.

Play calling is the coaching.

What the Colts were trying to do w/ the runs and short throws is get the Pats to play up, maybe put 8 in the box, and try and stop the short stuff, possible drop the zones and go man-up, and when/if the Pats did that the Colts would have gone deep.

The Pats gave up the 5 and less, and wouldn't let the Colts burn them deep.

yeah, the Vikings could look into some play-calling... Also the Fox guys wouldn't shut up about Owens, I mean no need to talk about the team that's winning now.

Hmmmmm, thanks for coming out Peyton. Brady is the real deal bitch. Your regulkar season stats don't mean shit. Now everybody jump on the Pats bandwagon like it happens every year


like I said before Dillon> than any other running back.

Cant wait for Bettis to make Dillon look like a small fry

I didn't see you on the field, Rick. :shifty:

LOL Wow that was great. Patriots fucking DOMINATED the Colts hahah wow

Where are all the haters at now??

Payton Manning can have his record, and his 3 1,000 yard WR, and hes probowl running back. I'll take Brady and his rings, and Dillons 144 yards rushing

ALSO, Kevin Fault out rushed James hahah

Patriots > Colts, Rectual whatever, The Outlaw, Y2Ant, Your mother, Payton Manning, Marvin "Did I even play today?" Harrison, Mike "I talk shit and I was on the field 3 times today" Vandershank, and your step father

:(

Did you guys see post game on CBS? Marino and Shannon Sharpe got all pissed at each other. Sharpe said Manning looked awful and Marino was like trying to stand up for him. Wented SOMETHING like this

After Sharpe said Manning played horrible

Marino: WHOA wait, he barely had the ball he didnt play that bad

Sharpe: WHAT? They were 26th or 27th in time of possession in the NFL anyways he never had the ball for long anyways

Marino: im not trying to defend him here but he didn't have the ball long

Sharpe: WELL what did he do when he did have the ball? Can you tell me that?

Marino had nothing to say hahahah

Hilarious that Marino is trying to back up Manning, since Manning is the next Dan Marino.

Dammit, now I'm probably not even gonna watch the AFC game next weekend.

We were dominated. Patriots are a much better team.

good boy. You can go die now.

Fabulous :love:

I tried to rep you but it didn't work, I think i've repped Rectal Protruded a lot lately

why?

I don't really see how you can say Peyton played horrible. He didn't have an atrocious game or anything. Everytime he got something going he would get a holding call or a false start on himself (Don't really care if that is the rule...if it is it = terrible) Ive seen that play ran quite a few times and never seen a penalty called. What I found odd is they threw one deep ball. ONE? On a crippled secondary? Come on, that is seriously just...strange I guess?

Yeah that helmet to helmet hit was pretty sick. Surprised it wasn't called the way they are cracking down on that. Also, if a ball is uncatchable, how can pass intro be called? :?: Not like it would have mattered, I doubt they could have won even if they would have gotten any breaks the way they were calling plays. GO DEEP. DOn't throw these little 5 yard routes and letting the LB/DB's tee off on the receivers. I just did not understand that at all.

Meh, I'm hoping for a Philly - Pitt Superbowl now. The only two teams I really halfway like are Pitt and Atlanta, so I don't want them both to make it because then it would be another SuperBowl that I don't really care about. :(

How was that ball uncatchable though? His hand was pretty close to it, and he got grabbed before the ball was even near him. That was definetly pass interferce.

And its a false start because Manning put his hands UNDER center, how is it a terrible rule? Once you are set like that you can't move out, its would the samething as the guard picking up his hand and moving. You can't do that.

I don't know, I don't think anybody was open deep. A few times Manning seemed to have all day to throw and he had no where to go. They were trying to go deep, Patriots just flat out shut them down. Secondary stepped it up, they probably took it personal when everyone was talking about how Manning was going to tear them apart. I didn't see Manning tearing shit apart, Colts were lucky to even muster up a FG. Surprised there are no excuses this year though. As my boy Tedy B had to say after the game "What rules are they gonna change now?" hahah QUOTE OF THE NIGHT.

Yeah Manning didn't play TERRIBLE, but what exaclty did he do good? Not much, he threw an INT aswell, should have been 2 picks though. Bruschi picked that ball off, Rhodes never had it. Patriots just smacked the soft as shit Colts in the mouth, I knew they would smack them around. I don't know it wouldn't even be close though.

Oh yeah I'm suprised a flag wasn't thrown on that play either, it seems like everytime there is a big hit a flag is thrown now a days. Yeah they hit helmet to helmet, but it would pretty hard not to in that situation. It wasn't like he used his helmet has a battering ram on that play or anything. When you lay somebody out like that your helmets are gonna have to meet a little bit atleast.

Couple things.

1) I agree, I don't think Manning played horrible it wasn't like he threw the ball away or made bad reads, no one was open.

2) I didn't understand the play calling, well, I did in the 1st half, the idea was to get the Pats to play up, so the colts could then go deep. I don't see why they didn't adjust in the 2nd half and try going deep more, but that's nothing to do w/ Manning. That's the HC and OC.

3) I was suprised on the helmet to helmet, I didn't think he planted and turned which would have made the contact legal. I give stokley credit for holding onto that one.

4) The call on Manning was fine, he screwed up by getting under Center, I've seen that done before but the QB doesn't get under center. The reason for the rule is the QB's used to do things like bobing there head to try and trick the Defense into jumping offsides, that's now illegal. Once the QB is under center he has to take the snap or call time out. It's the right call and the right rule, and the only real mistake I felt Manning made.

5) I could be wrong, but if I understood the call, it was before the pass was considered uncatchable. For a penalty not to be called it has to occur after the ball is uncatchable and I think they called it a penalty because at the point it happed there was no way to know if it was catchable yet and clearly was done while making a play on the ball. That being said, it was pretty close, so I'm suprised they would have called that one uncatchable anyway.

The ref announced that the ball was uncatchable when he called it pass intro.

I've seen Peyton do that, I've seen Daunte do that (actually against the Packers he had his hand under center and raised one up and gave Randy the audible), and I have seen Brett do that. Never have I seen it called until now. :-\

I thought Rhodes had it all the way until he hit the ground where Bruschi took it from him. Just what I thought though, we are both biased so the discussion will go nowhere.

I agree w/ both of you.

Rhodes had possesion and Teddy took it away before he hit the ground.

It was a tough play to call, and you could tell the refs had no idea what to do. They hesitated pretty bad. It was a good play though, regardless of when he got possession of it.

I always just want to slap Brady when I hear him do an interview. He needs to quit football and go do acting or some shit. :mad:

He's dating a hot actress, that's good enough.

Also, he's said in interviews he'd like to go into polotics someday.

Vick is coming.

Well he said the defender wrapped around him, thus making it uncatchable. Which results in a flag. Only time "uncatchable" should even be called IMO is when the ball is ridiculously overthrown because how do you know the guy isn't gonna run underneath it if contact was never made?

I think the rule with the QB's is that you can't pull out like that. Like he got up and walked away which isn't allowed. You are allowed to make an audible, like point or whatever, but you still need to take the snap. I didn't know it was illegal til today, but I guess once you simulate like you are going to snap the ball then walk again and don't talk the snap I guess its a false start.

There was really no excuses. We got are asses handed to us. This one isnt on the defense either cause they busted there ass and played as hard as they could considering there offense couldnt keep them off the field. Mad props to Colts defense.

I have no words to describe how angry at that utter peice of crap they called a Offensive Gameplan. I mean what the fuck was that Dink and Dunk bull shit .. screen passes and 5 yard outs. It was like they tried to go West Coast offense on them. I dont think they ran play action pass more then 3 times. PLAY ACTION PASS! omg. It was like they totally scrapped the offense at the last second and said do short bull shit passes. The WR's were never giving a chance to even make a play on balls. Almost like they were scared to throw a ball that Wayne or Harrison could go after. Hell stokely was making plays but they seemed to forget about him in the second half. Stokely was burning anyone who was on him the first half. Taking shots and hanging onto the ball .. Stokely was on fire but they didnt see it.

The Offense was pathetic. Patriots kicked our ass.

And fucking Teddy Brushci.. I swear to go the mother fucker is constantly making huge plays on us. I said it earlier in this thread. "Teddy Brushci is the devel. "

Teddy had a funny line after the game... something like "I wonder what rule they're going to try and get changed this time, maybe they won't have to play in snow"

oh yeah, on that fake that manning was called offsides.

Dungy said after the game, he didn't know the rule, that Manning had to stop for 1 second.

That confused me, because stopping (planting feet) would point twords illegal man in motion, not false start..

and since there was no one else in motion (I don't think) then manning should have been ok.

I understand the call if it was false start, but not sure how stopping for a second would have changed that.

Manning didn't have a bad game. He didn't turn the ball over besides the meaningless throw with 4 seconds left. He completed a good percent of his passes though alot of them were for short yardage. They had no running game.

The recievers couldn't get open down the field and Manning took what the D gave him rather than trying to force things down field and throwing 4 picks like last year. They probably should have stuck with the run a bit longer though.

Yeah Stokley was "burning" Troy Brown short for like 7-10 yards a few times. Stokley had a great catch when he got laid out, but I don't remember him doing much after that. You think he wasn't thinking about that for the rest of the game? Everybody is asking why they didn't go field. Maybe they couldn't? Nobody was open, the "banged up" secondary shot them down. The secondary has been banged up all year. Tyrone Pool played like one game. Ty Law has been out for months. Thats there "weakness" though :-\

Play action passes don't work when you can't run the ball. The Patriots had the stretch play on lock too, one play Edgerin James was standing there looking for a hole, he legit like stopped running and he just had nowhere to go.

Yeah Vandershank...he so bad of a kicker that the 2003 season he missed absoultly no feild goals...horrible.

Then he sobered up.

He's a good kicker, but WTF is that fresh prince head-bob crap he does.

Silly canadian drunk...

I wonder if he still thinks the Pats are ripe for the pickings.

he scored against them

yeah, was funny Willie McGinist said they did alot of things well, but they weren't perfect, they let Vanderjack score.

I love that during the game the fans were chanting "cut that meat".

LOL so what? He talked shit and his team lost

I don't care if he's never missed a field goal in his life, until he wins hits 2 FGs to win Superbowls, OR hits a game winning field goal in ANY big game, he can just sit down and shut up.

He ran his mouth and he made one chip shot field goal. He was on the field twice the entire game, then after half he kicked a short ass kick off and gave the Patriots good field position.

Yeah I don't care how good you think that guy is, he is a total dumbass.

Yet he is still being talked about...

and laughed at.

This is the same guy who critisized his coach and QB...

silly drunken kicker... :rofl: