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NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by M-A-G
Rebecca Specter. Look her up.

This some US thing?

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:23 PM

Punk on Raw? WTF?

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:23 PM

Has Punk got new music? Or did he always have that?

Pepsi Man 03-26-2007 09:23 PM

God damn it. Now I have to see CM Punk on Raw too. :(

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:24 PM

CM Punk. On RAW? Am I on the right channel?

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:24 PM

Punk's taking this.

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 09:25 PM

"HHH Dont Come Back" sign lol

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
Count yourslef lucky I cant find a picture.

okok :eek: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I will take the image in my head instead

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:26 PM

Has Kenny become a glorifed jobber or what?

Pepsi Man 03-26-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Corndad
Has Kenny become a glorifed jobber or what?

Glorified?

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:27 PM

So, M-A-G... is it Rebecca Specter or Rachel Specter?

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corndad
Has Kenny become a glorifed jobber or what?

He's being punished for being engaged to Mickie James.

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 09:28 PM

That was a sick knee to end it.

good match

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:28 PM

wtf, is that his finisheer?

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:28 PM

The fuck kind of a finisher is that?

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:28 PM

Dykstra's selling made that finishing move.

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

This actually should be good.

M-A-G 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

CM Punk vs. Kenny Dykstra: Woo! Let's hear it for the roster split!!!! Both of these guys are sort of heroes in my eyes as they are banging some of the finest women in the business. Although they seem to be wrestling in a manner to get rid of tension. Kenny with a chin lock and a reverse elbow for two. Clotheslines get another two. Neckbreaker for another two. Punk's at least over in his hometown. Another chin lock as Kenny seems to be studying Orton matches for source material. Punk takes over. Springboard clothesline and some knees into a bulldog for two. Fireman's carry into a drop on the knee gives Punk the win. I'd call it the Go 2 Sleep but that's not what it's called here so tough. Match rating: 1/2*

Post Match: Edge plugs the Cutting Edge. That's next.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ClockShot
The fuck kind of a finisher is that?

Wow you mean you haven't noticed the bitching some people have been doing lately?

Punk "stole" that move from some Japanese guy.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

Edge has been coming across as a gormless, grinning idiot recently. What happened to that cool heel that won the WWE title?

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

The return of the Cutting Edge. Nice.

M-A-G 03-26-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
This some US thing?

She comes out on these commercials for body spray.

-EDIT- Yeah, it's Rachel. Don't know why I was thinking Rebecca.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Wow you mean you haven't noticed the bitching some people have been doing lately?

Punk "stole" that move from some Japanese guy.

KENTA, yah? Nah?

Destor 03-26-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot
The fuck kind of a finisher is that?

Go2Sleep

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
KENTA, yah? Nah?

Yeah that's the guy.

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Wow you mean you haven't noticed the bitching some people have been doing lately?

Punk "stole" that move from some Japanese guy.

Stealing, that doesn't sound very straight edge to me!

Destor 03-26-2007 09:32 PM

KENTA

Destor 03-26-2007 09:32 PM

Sweet move btw. Even if it is dishonerable.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:33 PM

:lol: just read that Chris Masters is getting hair restoration treatment. Too bad, Chris! He's only a day older than me!

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
Sweet move btw. Even if it is dishonerable.

The punch is an awesome move. Is that dishonerable when someone uses a punch too?

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:34 PM

Damn this match has got so much potential sunday.

Destor 03-26-2007 09:34 PM

Not the same and you know it.

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
Sweet move btw. Even if it is dishonerable.

Probably is. It just looks like he ain't the type of fighter to be using that.

Loose Cannon 03-26-2007 09:35 PM

Edge is awesome

Destor 03-26-2007 09:35 PM

Go dig up my argument in the Punk/KENTA thread KoOS. Feel free to dispute that.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:35 PM

Please start a "Pull the needle out of your ass" chant.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
Not the same and you know it.

O RLY?

How so?

Someone else used it before everyone else started to use it.

Jeff Hardy used the Swanton Bomb before Kennedy started using it. So he's a thief too?

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:36 PM

OOOOOO!!!!!

Loose Cannon 03-26-2007 09:36 PM

Matt/Edge = The never ending feud. love these

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
Go dig up my argument in the Punk/KENTA thread KoOS. Feel free to dispute that.

Been there, done that.

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:37 PM

Oh god. I knew that was gonna come around.

I hope Kennedy's own mic. drops down when we get to him.

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:37 PM

what happened to Kink Bookah?... oh nevermind I heard a peasent reference

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:37 PM

LOL verbal diaherra

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:38 PM

I love finlay lol

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:38 PM

WOOOO EDGE

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:39 PM

this promo is rocking

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:39 PM

Edge just owned One-Trick Kennedy

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 09:39 PM

ROFL @ Edge at Jeff Hardy comment

Destor 03-26-2007 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
O RLY?

How so?

Someone else used it before everyone else started to use it.

Jeff Hardy used the Swanton Bomb before Kennedy started using it. So he's a thief too?

As long as theirs a guy making a livng on the back of a gimmick stealing that is shitty. Once that guy is out, then who does it hurt, no one. But as long as their is the origionater out their trying to put this over, and make it associated with him, trying to make money off of it, then yeah. It's uncreative and pathetic.

If an artist paints a picture, and is trying to sell, then artist B comes along and traces it and then sells it on a larger medium, it's shitty. Make on your own talents and ideas, not some one elses.

Love the Punker though. He's about the only thing left in mainstreamwrestling that makes me take notice.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:40 PM

OMG PUNK IS ONLY OVER BECAUSE THIS IS HIS HOMETOWN!1!11!!

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:40 PM

I hate Jeff Hardy. Only now I am realising this.

Destor 03-26-2007 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Been there, done that.

And as I recal my argument when un debated.

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:41 PM

BOOKER lol

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 09:41 PM

LOL Booker T laughing

Destor 03-26-2007 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
OMG PUNK IS ONLY OVER BECAUSE THIS IS HIS HOMETOWN!1!11!!

It aint hurting him. But nah, Punk is super over. Hopefully in time he'll be able to shut up the nay sayers. Punk is the real deal. Who hopefully will be a bonified superstar in a years time.

M-A-G 03-26-2007 09:42 PM

Cutting Edge: We've got all the Money in the Bank participants. Wow, this roster split is such an awesome concept. I can easily point out 5 guys who ain't winning the thing. Edge rambles about his one great moment glory when he cashed in his title shot. Edge goes on about his ladder match victories and wonders why the others think they can win. Matt talks about his own ladder match experience. Cheap shot at Lita which is cheaper than cheap considering she doesn't even work for them anymore. Booker T's next and he denounces the others for not reigning like he has. Finlay interrupts and claims he's tired of the talking. He dares Edge to start something. Orton grabs the mic and questions Edge's manliness. Kennedy opens his mouth next and does his usual crap. Even Edge makes fun of him. Jeff is next for some mockery. Jeff promises to steal the show. Interviews really aren't really the strong point for some of these guys. Last but not least is the Punk-meister. Edge has some addictions that are different than Punk's...including running his mouth. That triggers a brawl that Edge is more than happy to not take part of. I was wondering when they'd start building the Money In the Bank match. Good stuff: B

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:42 PM

<3 the half-@$$ run by hardys

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:43 PM

I'll be damned. USA is airing the H.O.F.

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:43 PM

looks like HOF will show Lawler, Dusty, and Perfect.

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeanderCarl
:lol: just read that Chris Masters is getting hair restoration treatment. Too bad, Chris! He's only a day older than me!


lol wtf?? where did you read that

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:45 PM

Cool, the first two hours of the HOF will be on WWE.com.... I can download the final hour the next day... all is right with the world.

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:47 PM

Whoa. Chicago still hates him.

Destor 03-26-2007 09:48 PM

Good promo.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninti the Mad
lol wtf?? where did you read that

http://www.medicalhairrestoration.co...yallstars.aspx

Bout halfway down the page.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor
As long as theirs a guy making a livng on the back of a gimmick stealing that is shitty. Once that guy is out, then who does it hurt, no one. But as long as their is the origionater out their trying to put this over, and make it associated with him, trying to make money off of it, then yeah. It's uncreative and pathetic.

If an artist paints a picture, and is trying to sell, then artist B comes along and traces it and then sells it on a larger medium, it's shitty. Make on your own talents and ideas, not some one elses.

Love the Punker though. He's about the only thing left in mainstreamwrestling that makes me take notice.

Tell me how is Punk/KENTA different than anyone else out there?

Jake Roberts started using the DDT, then everyone else started using it while Jake was still wrestling. It didn't diminish Jake using it, people still went crazy for him using the DDT.

I can make other examples with the figure-four and the piledriver.

And besides how many casual fans ever heard of KENTA? How many of them will ever hear of him? Slim to none.

If Punk doesn't use the GO2SLEEP then someone else will start using it. And it would probably be someone like Funaki or Torrie Wilson. At least Punk is over and gets airtime, he gets to showcase that move on a larger scale where KENTA couldn't.

It's not like KENTA is going to lose work because Punk is using his finisher.

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:48 PM

Rogaine is cheaper. Ain't it?

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:49 PM

um. Cena. The Rock craps out more then charisma then you have in your whole body.

NeanderCarl 03-26-2007 09:49 PM

I did notice that the receding Masters didn't seem quite so receding last week on Raw. Same with Chavo about a year ago.

M-A-G 03-26-2007 09:50 PM

Interview time with John Cena. Chicago still thinks he sucks. Eh, what do they know? Cena makes fun of everybody and everything at WrestleMania. This guy's awesome. He plugs the match with Shawn and predicts Maria's future. Well she ain't staying pretty forever.

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:52 PM

CM Punk is awesome. Great wrestler, great talker. He didn't steal the move. No more than anything in wrestling is stolen. It's not like it's even a distinctive move. It's a fireman's carry into a kick. Whoopy-nah-nah. It's like "stealing" the F-U. Or a suplex.

It would be more homage than anything, and even then, Punk may not have been the one to choose to start using the move. I can very easily see the "producers" telling him to do it, because he has the whole martial arts gimmick going on.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by M-A-G
Interview time with John Cena. Chicago still thinks he sucks. Eh, what do they know?

More than you?

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:53 PM

They should so turn John Cena heel at WrestleMania. Anything else, to quote an infamous poster here, would be UNACCEPTABLE.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06
CM Punk is awesome. Great wrestler, great talker. He didn't steal the move. No more than anything in wrestling is stolen.

But it's different!!!!

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-A-G
Interview time with John Cena. Chicago still thinks he sucks. Eh, what do they know? Cena makes fun of everybody and everything at WrestleMania. This guy's awesome. He plugs the match with Shawn and predicts Maria's future. Well she ain't staying pretty forever.

Chicago = Great crowd.

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:54 PM

whoo thank god not MAIN event

ClockShot 03-26-2007 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alienoid06
They should so turn John Cena heel at WrestleMania. Anything else, to quote an infamous poster here, would be UNACCEPTABLE.

And don't forget. MAKE IT OR BREAK IT!

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
But it's different!!!!

Bret Hart didn't invent the Sharpshooter!?! Be right back...I just gotta ingest some cyandide.

The Optimist 03-26-2007 09:56 PM

That sweater should have rhinestones on it.

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:57 PM

Make way for Umaga.

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:57 PM

Part of me hopes they go prima donna with John Cena, and have him not show up at all for the tag team match. Have Shawn Michaels go at it solo, before succumming to the Batista Bomb, as we get a Dave and Taker stare-down.

Cena then appears at WrestleMania and said he lost track of time because he was too busy preparing mentally for his WrestleMania match.

The Optimist 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

He's got Umaga under his sweater.

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

Estrada can apparently wrestle. I'd love to see Umaga pass the IC Title onto Estrada, and give Armando something pretty cool to do.

Estrada is money, I'm telling you.

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

ghey

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

HERE COMES THE JOB SQUAD

Corndad 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

poor cade and murdoch get killed every week.. next will be WGTT

starfox8500 03-26-2007 09:59 PM

correction on last post GREATEST TECHNACAL WRESTLERS ALIVE TODAY

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 10:00 PM

Knowing the WWE, London & Kendrick will be here to bump pretty soon. :(

Destor 03-26-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool
Tell me how is Punk/KENTA different than anyone else out there?

Jake Roberts started using the DDT, then everyone else started using it while Jake was still wrestling. It didn't diminish Jake using it, people still went crazy for him using the DDT.

I can make other examples with the figure-four and the piledriver.

And besides how many casual fans ever heard of KENTA? How many of them will ever hear of him? Slim to none.

If Punk doesn't use the GO2SLEEP then someone else will start using it. And it would probably be someone like Funaki. At least Punk is over and gets airtime, he gets to showcase that move on a larger scale where KENTA couldn't.

It's not like KENTA is going to lose work because Punk is using his finisher.

And there is my argument. When they see KENTA using that move in some rare jap tape their cousin bootlegged for them they will say "hey stole Punks move." And yes it can hurt KENTA. Lets say KENTA wants to come to America. And wow, the WWE actually wants him. What happens when he comes in? Now you could some fairy tale feud of him being pissed about the disgrace, but that's not realistic. What would happen is they make him stop using his combo and finish for something else. Once more he's less likely to ever get considered because "they already have one of those."

This likely wouldn't be such an issue if he wasn't stealing so much from ONE guy. A thing here, and a thing there. Cool. Pillaging his move set? Shitty. As an independent contractor I know I have to offer something unique to get work. If some goes around doing the same things as I do, on larger mediums, this will effectivly STOP me from getting work anywhere. People wont pay to see some guy do the things they saw Tuesday. KENTA is just lucky he was previously established in the states before this happened.

You do understand the nessecity to be unique in this buiness right? I know how I feel when people take my spots, as I can tell you wouldn't understand, but I work hard to offer something an audience hasn't seen beofre. And when I see guys taking everything I've worked so hard to perfect and get over, they might as well be dipping their hands into my wallet. There's not much of a difference. Does this happen all the time? Yeah, but so does rape and I don't stand for that either.

Ninti the Mad 03-26-2007 10:00 PM

CMON KHALI BEAT UP LASHLEY!!!

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 10:01 PM

Seriously, just to show how much London & Kendrick add to the WWE for me, if they're not added to the WrestleMania card, I won't be ordering.

Corndad 03-26-2007 10:01 PM

boy this is making me realize this match will suck

Pepsi Man 03-26-2007 10:01 PM

wtf...Lashley kicked out.

starfox8500 03-26-2007 10:01 PM

BestPinEver

KingofOldSchool 03-26-2007 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor
And there is my argument. When they see KENTA using that move in some rare jap tape their cousin bootlegged for them they will say "hey stole Punks move." And yes it can hurt KENTA. Lets say KENTA wants to come to America. And wow, the WWE actually wants him. What happens when he comes in? Now you could some fairy tale feud of him being pissed about the disgrace, but that's not realistic. What would happen is they make him stop using his combo and finish for something else. Once more he's less likely to ever get considered because "they already have one of those."

This likely wouldn't be such an issue if he wasn't stealing so much from ONE guy. A thing here, and a thing there. Cool. Pillaging his move set? Shitty. As an independent contractor I know I have to offer something unique to get work. If some goes around doing the same things as I do, on larger mediums, this will effectivly STOP me from getting work anywhere. People wont pay to see some guy do the things they saw Tuesday. KENTA is just lucky he was previously established in the states before this happened.

You do understand the nessecity to be unique in this buiness right? I know how I feel when people take my spots, as I can tell you wouldn't understand, but I work hard to offer something an audience hasn't seen beofre. And when I see guys taking everything I've worked so hard to perfect and get over, they might as well be dipping their hands into my wallet. There's not much of a difference. Does this happen all the time? Yeah, but so does rape and I don't stand for that either.


How many casual fans take time to get bootlegs from Japan?

Only the IWC do stuff like that.

Unless KENTA comes into WWE, then that is a non-issue.

Wrestlers have to use other people's moves or they have to kill themselves trying to come up with something unique and different.

Look at Stone Cold, he uses the Stone Cold Stunner which is a variation of the Ace Crusher. Does that make him a bad wrestler?

ClockShot 03-26-2007 10:02 PM

I thought I saw Lashley kick out....

Corndad 03-26-2007 10:03 PM

Why wouldnt they wait to pin him till afterall of this?

starfox8500 03-26-2007 10:03 PM

BoobyAssley...yobbing?

Mr. Nerfect 03-26-2007 10:03 PM

Why do I get the feeling that WrestleMania is going to be shit?

M-A-G 03-26-2007 10:03 PM

No DQ: Bobby Lashley vs. Vince McMahon: Lillian's looking taxable tonight. I mean, come on, clothes like that have got to cost a pretty penny. The Lesnar pyro for Lashley is totally unnecessary along with that bouncing. Vince goes for the mic and blabs. Lashley shows he's capable of being a stupid babyface by just listening to him. Cade and Murdoch try a run in but get obliterated. Chris Masters tries his luck but can't get the Masterlock. Lashley makes him pay. Johnny Nitro gets launched and powerslammed. McMahon brings out the big guns with Umaga. Slugfest burns some time and that allows Vince to go for a cheap shot. Toss-Up Samoan Drop allows Vince to get the pin. Yeah, four guys couldn't do it but one simple move is enough to let a 61-year old man get the pin on their next hot new face. Beat down commences. Would it have been so wrong for Lashley to get the win over Vince? Match rating: NO STARS, BIYATCH

starfox8500 03-26-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alienoid06
Why do I get the feeling that WrestleMania is going to be shit?

...cause it's gonna


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