In an interview yesterday, Gabe said this is nowhere near the level of Barely Legal, mainly because the PPV market has changed so much. Back then it was unheard of to get on PPV if you were a wrestling company, it's a lot easier now.

The DVDs weren't available in stores mainly because of the TNA contracts, saying that their performers could appear for ROH as long as they weren't on PPV or had nationally distributed DVDs. As long as ROH sold the DVDs from their own website, they were ok. Now with TNA pulling Aries and Homicide, there are no more TNA guys on the ROH roster. National distribution is in sight now and is in the works.

I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, here. The IWC takes news articles on faith when they're from Meltzer, etc., and even Meltzer doesn't really have as solid a track record. In fact, if Rob cited DM on his "facts," it'd probably be accepted, though he doesn't cite his sources.

guys at PWInsider > Meltzer. They don't report rumors as facts, or their own opinions as facts either

Missing the point>You.

Read my user title, and you know which side of the fence I am on. It's OK think you know the facts, and think ROH is certainly doomed because they are doing something, but why the fuck can't people just enjoy the ride?

Does ROH put out a great product? Then why the fuck are people complaining that they get to see it? Order the shows, get some good wrestling into your diet, send Vince and Vince your own personal "fuck you," message (as small as it may be), and just see where it goes.

Who knows where ROH is getting money from? It's a point I brought up that has been completely overlooked because I suggested a crazy way ROH could get mainstream attention, because they're just an "indy fed", and we all know guys can't get over doing what they do for a living well, these days. ROH has got great relationships with Pro Wrestling NOAH and Dragon Gate, both companies from a climate rich of professional wrestling. I'm not sure how much money Dragon Gate has to spare, as it is much smaller, but Mitsuharu Misawa's company could have a bit of cash lying around.

Why would Pro Wrestling NOAH go out of its way to help ROH? Because they've been their American exposure for quite a long time. People seem to be in agreement that Takeshi Morishima was given the ROH World Championship, at least in part, as a friendly move to Pro Wrestling NOAH, who want to move Morishima up to the GHC Heavyweight Championship division, but aren't sure if he is ready.

As Mr. Monday Night suggested, it is unlikely the WWE would have been oblivious to ROH's ventures. I think that is probably correct, even if most mainstream entities want nothing to do with them. So perhaps they are throwing some cash their way? I'm not sure of the reliability of those WWE funding ECW offerings, but the same thing could be happening again.

If the WWE knew about ROH growing, why didn't they stop them? And don't use the "they don't care about ROH," excuse. I find it hard to believe. If you don't want someone around, you take care of them while you can. You don't wait until it is noticeable, and you don't pop the bullet into their skulls in daylight.

It's just an idea I'm throwing out there.

And Innovator's point is very relevant. ROH DVD sales are hard to gage by, because ROH doesn't have a conventional distribution deal. With ROH now being an entity seperate from TNA, they can now put their shows on DVD. Sure, anyone can order an ROH DVD over the internet, but a lot of people still don't trust internet shopping (I know I don't), and some geeks might be afraid to actually have a wrestling DVD delivered to their house.

If Ring of Honor doesn't get greedy, they could actually do quite well in the DVD market. Perhaps it's because I'm not too strung out on money, but when I saw ECW DVDs being sold for $8 at a local store, I snatched up about six of them. $8 x 6 = $48, for those not keeping track. I spent around $50 on ECW that day. If ROH keeps the prices of its DVDs down, when they appear in stores, they could make some nice sales.

And let's assume this does fail. Let's assume the PPV thing falls on its face, and they do need to break it off. It seems like the deal has only been arranged for 6 shows because it is what both sides of the fence are comfortable with. I doubt either has put themselves in a position where they will be ruined. ROH goes back to running smaller shows, less frequently. They will not lose their audience. If anything, it will grow. People might wait slightly longer between shows, hence excitement grows, and ROH will at least earn a few fans via their PPV experience.

Plus they managed to get rid of TNA, which I think ROH secretly wanted, anyway. Delirious seems to be stepping in as a possible replacement leader for The Resilience, and that was before Austin Aries was pulled. ROH can now go wider and more convenient (for some) with their DVDs.

If you're a fan of ROH, or good wrestling, just support this thing, and tell your friends about it.

*deep breath*

STRAAAAA...Awww, forget it.

You're a fucking idiot.

*walks off*

It's funny that Hero was making this same point in a TNA thread a week ago and yet then you said nothing.

What the fuck is the straw hat reference? I assume you're only trying to entertain yourself, because that's all you ever manage to do.

And it doesn't surprise me that you only pick moments where you won't look like the dick you are for being a dick.

By the way, I love the irony that someone calling someone else an idiot couldn't originally quote right. It's simple, you hit the "quote" button, and what you want to be an ass about because you have a rare moment of pathetic inspiration, comes up, all ready to go. Then you don't delete the end bit of it, because you are too eager to make a reference which, assuming by the way it alludes, isn't even your own.

Please keep walking. Come back when you get some material of your own to try and be smarmy about. And come back when you're actually a consistent human being with, you know, some levels of integrity?

This is a little bit off base, but I was under the assumption that Claudio Castagnoli signed a developmental deal with the WWE at the end of 2006?

Some Visa issue and he has been allowed to continue Indy bookings for the time beeing. Not to clear on that really.

Can I say something markish? RVD. THINK ABOUT IT.

Doesn't surprise me. I have people like him worked out. My friend is one, actually.

I think he believes he is more intellectually appreciated than he actually is. Wouldn't surprise me if he tried to wow people at parties with his "knowledge" of politics, culture, literature, or what have you (especially when drunk). None of this knowledge is first hand, mind you. They're his own amateurish opinions, formed by the beliefs of guys like Jon Stewart, Roger Ebert or H.P. Lovecraft, which he is just taking for a spin.

I don't want to sound as petty as he does with his "assaults", but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't have too much luck with the ladies, either. Pushes too far, tries to get away with too much "humour" (which they would find a turn off, as it is very pretentious) and he really gets nowhere, while they think what a loser he is, as he gives his mates the "thumbs up".

People like KK aren't stupid, but they are disliked, and they don't end up successful. They're too smart to be stupid, but they're too idiotic to be intelligent.

I'd love to know what he does with his life. If he is successful (not "going to be successful", currently is successful), happily married/in a relationship, I would be pleasantly surprised. Good for him, if he is.

If he's not, though, I'd laugh at his expense, because dicks like him warrant it.

There is only one way to settle this. Both of you open MS Paint.

NOW DRAW!

I have been, and I like it.

RVD isn't exactly "Mr. Technical" (which is why I think you said it was markish), but I would much rather prefer to see him jump to ROH rather than TNA.

RVD is a great bumper, and could put over guys like Brent Albright, BJ Whitmer and Takeshi Morishima.

If Mick Foley isn't under WWE contract, and he and the WWE are going through a roughish period at the time, can you imagine Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam in a Fight Without Honor? :drool:

DRAAAAAAAAWWWWW HAT!

:shifty:

Could be because I didn't read it.

Put some thought into it, next time you try and stretch like that.

Oh, shit....Forgot who I was asking.

LOL, god you try so hard. God bless ya.

:lol: Sultan of Spin

"Straw Man," tard.

And I love the fact that you're actually bringing up not quoting correctly.

That's actually pretty close to another strawman in and of itself. Trying to make an issue out of that. You know.

Because you're fucking stupid. And that's not about entertainment. That's about you making stupid argument.

Coming from the bitch who's trying to come up with conspiracy theories?

Yeah, pardon me if I don't exactly take you seriously.

Yeah bro, conspiricy theories. I'm all about that.

:lol: Drama Queen. No wonder so many wrestlers wear mascara.

Good effort, but you fail again.

I'd say try harder, but I dont think you can.

Keep telling yourself that.

Oh yeah, dont worry. Now go throw your insdults about me in 12 other threads big man.

Yeah, I've been saying for a while now that a Mick Foley versus Rob Van Dam match would be a hardcore dream match. Fucking hands down it would be pretty close to a 5 star match.

actually i didn't, i was just saying, but thats ok

If ROH keeps selling out the Grand Ballroom, I wonder how long until they try to run the Hammerstein, something to think about.

Also in the interview with Gabe, he said that they've been working on this since early fall...I just can't believe this didn't get leaked until they announced it.

From Cluadios Myspace.

Official Statement


Ladies and Gentlemen this is an official statement issued by one Castagnoli Claudio.


There have been rumors about my status as a US resident, my visa, work visa and so forth.


Those rumors are FALSE.


These rumors hurt me, my integrity and my status in this country and business.


I'm a man of honor, pride and integrity.


I do have a green card or permanent resident card if you will and also do have a social security number. In case you don't know, you need both of these in order to be and work in this country legally.


So before so called "News Sites" and "Newsletters" release heavy statements or rumors like that, they should really do their job. It's called research.


Let me close by saying there was and is nothing wrong with my visa or residential status.


Sincerely,

Castagnoli, Claudio
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http://www.myspace.com/claudiocastagnoli

Meltzer does it for his living and has been doing so for 20 years or so. If he consistently gets it wrong, he loses subscribers, loses money, and eventually goes out of business. Rob is a hobbyist, at best, and none of that applies to him.

And besides which I can't IM Meltzer to call him names when I want to.

Still waiting, Harvey :p

That should tell you something about how entertaining you are. I can't even be fucked to read your big writing all the way.

And I was bringing up your inability to click a button, not be bothered reading what I have written. My God, I don't read all the bullshit you write (you might not like to admit it, but there is more bullshit in a single sentence of your's than in eighteen paragraphs of me making Funaki a World Champion), so me calling you out on not reading what I wrote would be hypocritical.

No, my friend, I am merely pointing out your inability to hit a button correctly. Everyone makes mistakes, but I would not be doing that and going around calling people "'tard".

"Because you're fucking stupid. And that's not about entertainment. That's about you making stupid argument." - Stereotypical Asian guy from King of the Hill. At least, I think that was the impression I think you were trying.

Dude, I'm not fucking stupid. I don't want to gloat, but I know how smart I am, and I may not show it in the little wrestling posts I make for fun, but I'm betting that you're underestimating my intelligence, and everyone here has been overestimating your's.

Get out of the shadows, stop spinning things; making elusive arguments veiled behind cliches and ideas taken from other, smarter, more entertaining human beings. They could pull them off because they were respectable; likeable, human beings.

What? Keep telling himself that you failed again (because you did), or that you couldn't try harder (because you can't)?

It's one of those matches were the dynamics of the personalities just work, too. Rob Van Dam has the fitness, martial arts, weight-lifting, etc. Mick Foley...well, doesn't. It'd just work as a clash, in my opinion, on so many different levels.

Foley can't work anymore. Van Dam...well let's just say I question his motivation to ever pull out all the stops again. It'd be a clusterfuck, IMO, and would not go down well at all.

Foley's pretty much had his time in ROH with the stuff he did with Joe and Punk, they don't really need him to go back and do something with Van Dam, who would already be over (or not, in all likelihood)

This thread makes me laugh now. Like I said, we'll see if I'm wrong in 6 months. Looks like they are gonna charge about $10 a show so that's a decent start in not over committing.

As for the DVD sales, Gabe said it himself on Meltzer's show. The archives are all over the net but for those who can't be fucked to research it, I'll find it in the next few days and post the sound byte. Gabe has also made comments elsewhere about making more DVDs to make up for lack of sales (again, not a bad idea either).

As for what KK said about me, I appreciate it dude. Nice to see someone has a little faith and a decent memory.

Why don't you understand that you're saying that seeing RoH is a bad thing?

...Does this crown make me look like too much of a drama queen?

No need, I can find WOLs pretty easily. I just wanted to know you weren't saying something you couldn't back up (like you do half the time in the football thread :p )

PPVs are only going to be $10-$15, which is a great price for Ring of Honor. They're also going to get a little creative with their shows, and tape full three hour (approximately) events, but only use some of it. The rest will be exclusively released on the DVD.

That's smart by ROH. It gives people a reason to buy the DVD after they have ordered the event. They're also considering not just using one show as the selection from which the PPV is constructed. There have been ideas for PPVs showcasing a particular wrestler. It sounds a little iffy, but look at it this way:

Independent wrestling is like independent filmmaking. You get some crazy ideas in the indies, and sometimes they might not be conventional, may seem bad, and might tug at your expectations a bit, but if the art is good, a grander vision can be realised.

Apparently iNdemand hasn't put any pressure on ROH for any minimum amount of buys, either. Sure, they want this to do well, of course, but I think both parties understand what is going on here, that ROH is a smaller company looking to expand, etc.

I wasn't £50 lighter last season :)

Gabe is on WOL tonight so I'd be shocked if all this talk isn't brought up.