It was all a work. Russo and Hogan hatched a scheme for the World Championship picture between themselves. Jarrett was the one out of the loop. In an attempt to appeal the Internet crowd (you know, because that's what every wrestling fan does 24/7: scour the Internet for backstage news) Russo played off of Hogan's creative control clause and created the scenario at Bash at the Beach. All of this done with the excuse to phase Hogan out for a while and bring him back later to feud with the champion at that time with the logic being that no one had beaten him for his title (in storyline terms). The problem was that Russo went a little too far with the speech later that night and Hogan was upset with some of the things he said and stormed out of the building. He later sued for character defamation. It was a very real lawsuit considering Hogan didn't want to work for TNA while Russo was on the payroll (to be fair, this might just be an excuse) and the fact the lawsuit was still ongoing three years after WCW got bought out.

:lol: You insult me and yet you think Wikipedia...a place where anybody can submit anything....is a reliable source. Oh, nice one.

Hey, did you know the Fink and Vince's daughter are married? It's true...the IMDB said that. :roll:

In regards of Russo.....hey, I never said I believed him. I'm just saying what I read.

Even in that scenerio, it's still a shoot because Jarrett didn't know what was going on, and Russo basically (shot? shooted?) on Hogan during the unfolding. Montreal isn't a work just because Hart was the only one who didn't know, right?

Anyways it's all still a shoot to me, dammit.

..............................Do you even read what you type?

Hogan is the biggest self promoter in the industry, and you are going to take a ghost written book as legit fact?



















Can I buy some pot from you?

Russo didn't really shoot so much as he got carried away. Jarrett knew about the whole 'lay down' part but not so much about the reasoning behind it all if that makes sense. Ah, f*ck it, listen to me. I'm trying to make sense out of friggin' VINCE RUSSO.

So you're just going to blindly take the word of the guy you just happen to be devoted to basically.

Mind you, I don't believe anyone here has spat on what Hogan has done for wrestling in general. Anyone who has a good mind for the business or been a fan for at least 15 or so years can tell you that Hogan was a positive influence on the WWE in the 80s playing a role that was just meant to be played by someone with his stature and his speaking style. Does he deserve recognition? Absolutely. The main beef here is that all of that was done in a time long ago that really doesn't matter anymore. The video game market also crashed in 1980s. Did we get hung up on that for the last score? The question asked now is what has Hogan done recently? Wrestling has done fine without him and the WWE experienced some of its greatest success not just without him but with him working for the competition. If you want to talk about people who have struck out, you have to start with Hogan as the whole basis of his heel turn was the fact that he was being booed and he needed something to bring his career out of the vegetative state it was in. Once the thrill of the heel turn passed, it was the same old stuff over and over again as he just wasn't adding anything positive to WCW. The man who could've done something about that (Goldberg anyone?) ended up getting screwed over by the kind of crap Hogan used to pull. How is hurting a valuable asset doing something good? Is Hogan a legend? Yes. No question. Is he someone we're supposed to worship just because he's Hogan? Hell, no.

Where's the proof? See, you guys are the ones who are full of it. You say this random stuff that you wish was true and yet you have no proof for it.

That's the problem. To quote an old friend of mine, everything Vince Russo does on the air is technically a shoot.

Where's your proof? I mean, besides Hogan's own words, which have been demonstrated to change over time.....

All I have is Hogan's word. Find me at least two sources from people in the business that say it was not Hogan's idea to turn heel and I'll change my opinion.

Also keep in mind that Bret Hart was supposed to be the third nWo member but when that did not work out, Hogan jumped on the nWo ship. That sounds realistic to me and makes more sense then Bischoff randomly picking one of the top babyfaces in the company to turn heel. McMahon never wanted Hogan to be heel according to his book, even though Hogan suggested it a few times and it would make sense that Bischoff wouldn't want him to turn heel either since Hogan was a huge money maker as a babyface so turning Hogan heel would be a huge risk. But Hogan talked him into it and the rest is history.

Common knowlege rocks. :y:

The nWo was one of the greatest angles of all time and I believe Hulk Hogan is one of the main reasons that it worked out so well because no one would have ever thought Hogan would turn heel but he did and when he did, it brought in ratings and money.

I know at first with just Hall and Nash it went really well but in due time, it would have died out and gotten boring. The nWo was missing something and that was a big name like Hulk Hogan.

Rather anyone here likes it or not, Hulk Hogan is a huge name in wrestling and to have one of the greatest babyface's to turn heel was a very big deal and it helped get the nWo over.

Now what has Hogan done in recent years? Entertain the fans. No, he has not helped move the business along but that's because he's retired. Any retired person just starts to relax and enjoy life and I think that is what Hogan does now in regards of wrestling. He still loves the business and the people still love him so he shows up every now and then in the wrestling world, does his thing and leaves. No one gets hurt or majorly affected by it.

HBK and Orton are heels...heels for the most part are pretty much jobbers...and McMahon wants to send the people home happy and seeing heels win big matches isn't going to make the people happy.

Now it's true heels do win big matches but the babyface ALWAYS gets payback...since Hogan is not interested in a full-time WWE career, it's best for him to wrestle his one match and then move on.

...Unless of course you guys want Hulk to wrestle every week...but if that happened, you'd all hate it like you did in 2002 and 2003.

Again, the man wrestles ONCE a year....what's the big deal?

Hogan's Word? Except we know that changes over time. He's said in interviews that it was Bisch's idea. Ergo, Hogan's word sucks, you have nothing.
"realistic" doesn't mean it happened. And I doubt Bisch picked him "at random."

According to one of the most dubious sources in pro wrestling.

The problem with common knowledge is it's generally erroneous and spouted by morons. :y:

Common knowledge over time has told us that the world is flat, that the sun revolves around the Earth, that a human being could never travel faster than 30 mph and survive, that eggs are the worst things for our health, that eggs are the best thing for our health, and that the best way to treat a person for injuries was to allow blood to flow freely.

But hey, Hulk Hogan is a real American, and it's common knowledge that Americans don't lie.

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God dammit. :rant:

Like I said brother, find me two sources from people in the business that disagree with Hogan and I might change my mind.

The mark of a retard.

Sorry, "brother," It's been demonstrated that Hogan's "story" is not reliable. That he's contradicted himself on top of being one of the most full of shit guys in the business.

Nobody's going to bother trying to change your mind. they're just going to laugh at your football helmet.

Right. So anyway, where is the proof at that his book is not reliable? Let me guess what the proof is...it's in the magical land of Oz.....

I liked Kidman for 3 things.

The Shooting Star Press
Torrie Wilson
and he strangely reminded me of Bret Hart.

Venis rules. The wrestler that is. - The best thing the Hoganoid did was the comedy match vs. Shawn Michaels.

Having only searched the inet for more SNL last week (cos in the UK, it's well out of sync), I know what that means now, and ja, I agree! - Either that or a dick in a box.

:lol:

You really are retarded.

Hogan has contradicted himself and your precious evidence. You don't really need more proof than that. And it comes from Hogan himself.

As such, you should really be the one trying to come up with a real source that verifies this. But you won't. You have no evidence, and you can't find any.

And you criticized me for posting something from Wikipedia, because you thought I believed it?:wtf: Well, let me tell you something, “BROTHER”...Me actually contributing something useful to this thread is nothing like reading a WWE book and believing it, because just look at all the spin they (WWE) put into their books to tell it from a kayfabe point of view only and not a real life point of view. Nice going, you completely missed that.:wave:

Oh, they’re both heels? Really? Because I could’ve sworn that Michaels agreed to a match with Orton for Judgment Day this Sunday...oh, wait that’s right...THEY DID! And guess what? Here’s a ‘fun fact’ you and your butt-buddy, taker707 will surely find surprising...Michaels is a babyface, and Orton is a heel! (W:eek:W...TRUE STORY AND PICS! CLICK HERE[>>] ) So check your facts before you just go about posting random things that are true in your own little fantasy world, will ya?

I was talking about Hogan's matches with HBK and Orton. HBK was a heel when he did his program with Hulk Hogan...that is how he lost to Hogan. Orton was also a heel when he wrestled Hogan...and that is how he lost to Hogan. Get it now brother?

Do you even know what kayfabe means? If Hogan was writing the book in kaybabe, it would have been just like that Hulk Hogan magazine that came out in spring of 2002 where everything was written in character.

Hulk Hogan did not write his book in character. Hell, the book is not even about the character "Hulk Hogan". It's about the man who played the part of the character "Hulk Hogan".

Get it now brother?

No, the reason why Hogan won those matches, and follow me now, because here's where it might get tricky for you to understand...THE ONLY REASON Hogan won either of those matches is because he knew he could demand complete creative control in them from Vince McMahon and family, and Vince would give it to him because they had such a long work relationship together. So once that was in the bag for those matches, it was easy street for Hogan. He knew all he had to do was let Orton or Michaels carry him 99.9% of the way before all he had to do was play to the crowd with his “I’m so deaf and retarded I need to hold my hand up to my ears 37,895 times before I go ahead and hit the leg drop”, hit the damn leg drop and effectively piss off everyone in the crowd at him for winning with such a wimpish-looking move, which, tbh it is, and at his opponent for agreeing to lose to such a stupid maneuver, just because Hogan wouldn't have it any other way without crying to Vince McMahon if he lost that the other guy “cheated”. Get THAT, now “BROTHER”?

If Hogan's book is totally legit, then read Ric Flair's book and read Eric Bichoff's book.

DAMN iNATOR...I mean...uh...Farooq...:roll: ...I'm not gonna repeat myself...go back and read what I said about heels and how they are always suppose to lose in the end.

I just finished Stone Cold's book yesterday and Bischoff's book is next on the list.

My point exactly. Anybody can write a book for someone else as far as WWE goes, and put over the contents as much as they want as fact, but most of the time it’s kayfabe information for the most part, just based on the author’s point of view of how they claim things were different from what other wrestlers, websites, &c., &c., ad nauseam, have to say on a given event in wrestling.

Oh, right. I forgot that heels are always supposed to lose no matter what. They should never win because it might help get them over as an even more important heel character, which no good heel character EVER wants:roll: . Excuse me for actually having brains, unlike yourself.

You also didn't mention HHH. Constantly wins as a heel. JBL took numerous victories as a heel. The idea that "heels lose" is extremely flawed. It isn't even a given that a heel always wins dirty anymore.

Well, as of the last year or two, all heels are now jobbers, hence no long term heel champions.

since the HHH and JBL title reigns, as the pidgit mentioned

Yeah, that's been a current trend, but it's hardly a solid standard.

Somebody needs to ban this motherfucker. He's just being a fucking troll.

Uh, gee, YA THINK MAYBE?!

THEN WHYYYYY IS HE STIIIIIILL MOTHERFUCKIN' HEEEERE

Cuz I’m not a mod and therefore I can’t hand out bans...:( Sorry, dude. Would if I could.

Michaels turned heel pretty much for that one match. After that he was face 30 seconds later.

Hogan winning did nothing for wrestling. Michaels winning would have, though not as much as if he wasn't a legend already.

I'll go so far as to say this angle probably hurt more than it helped. Michaels had to turn heel, ha dto lose some momentum, just to play to the ego of a guy who didn't stick around. Did it devastate the wrestling world? No. Just saying it probably did more harm than good.

Part timers winning does little to nothing for the company in general. Foley, at least, tends to make his opponents look good. And even Flair and Taker, who I'm not fond of winning, are doing more as regular workers (Even if Taker's is less frequent than Flair's). Even then, they often kill heat.

Yes, heels do win big matches but the babyface or another babyface who was friends with the other babyface always gets payback at the end.

And since Hogan was not going to work a long feud with HBK or Orton, it made sense for Hogan to win since they were only wrestling one time.

Maybe if you guys would actually read what I type you'd get it.

Read the book "Death of WCW".

WCW didn't begin negotiations with Hart until late 1996 way past the point of the nWo introduction. It was never going to be him.

I didn't dispute that. The heel turn was a great idea. The nWo was a great idea. The problem was it was WCW's ONE great idea that got old fast and stopped bringing in the ratings and money.

Again, no dispute there. But again, it did die out because it got boring.

I'm agreeing with you.

He's entertained SOME fans. That's their perrogative. That's their call. As far as people not getting hurt, his presence prevents other talent from being showcased. His refusal to put people over puts a damper on the progress of other talent. You can't just keep going back to someone over an over again because guess what? That person isn't going to be around forever. It'd be one thing if he's on the roster regularly helping out future main eventers or being fed big fat heels who have no upside but being there and making him the center of attention does affect other people.

They can't always lose though otherwise no one is going to buy them as a credible threat. HBK despite his age is still younger and more mobile and agile than Hogan so what sense is there in having him getting beaten up by a slower and aged retired guy who not in top condition. How is that believable? If you want to use the 'send the fans home happy' argument here I'm sure it'll fit considering it was the main event. But his match with Randy Orton was the third match on the card and he had an injured knee. What's so wrong about using the match to put over someone younger who has a chance to do what Hogan used to do? Maybe Orton is a heel now but does he have to stay that way?

But he doesn't 'move on'. He always comes back. Maybe not now considering his rocky relationship with WWE but in the past that was the excuse. Just one match. And one more. And just one more. And maybe just one more. And it's mainly just to get something done for him. And no, he doesn't deserve it just because of who he is. Yes, he does wrestle like once a year but that's the problem. It helps no one and having him on full-time would be ridiculous. So the solution? Keep him off entirely.

Actually, the Hell getting his commupance wouldn't have to come from Hogan, and the heel rub from beating Hogan would make the eventual downfall all the sweeter, thus making it better all around.

If you typed things that didn't come off like an obssessed girl who just hit puberty, you might be able to pull the "if you read what I type..." As it is, we read it. We got it. It was stupid. We disregarded it.

Let this thread die already.

Anyone remember Zeeboe?

The Death of WCW is on the list of books I plan to read. Will probably read it after I read Bischoff's book.

Remember him?.......I am him...

That would be so surprising.

Well, except no-one cares. There's only two kinds of retards on TPWW these days. Your kind, generic retarded n00b, and the creepy stalker CC type.

Yeah, and I don't care what you have to say either Kane Knight.

Anyway, as much as I am looking forward to reading RD's book, he was not around in WCW at the time so everything he says is still an opinion.

I'm glad you don't care. You can return to your magical land of Oz where Hogan has never contradicted himself, and everything out of a wrestler's mouth is true.

Gimmick Infringement

Odd considering there are no opinions in that book.

And extremely helpful references and sources are there as well. You know, since you want those so badly.

But are those references and sources HOGAN? If it's not HOGAN, it's nothing, broither! HOGAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

Priest: A reading from the Holy Gospel according to Saint Hulk.
Congregation: Glory to you Lord Hogan.

And His Hulkness doth spoke upon His foes, "What shalt thou do whenest these Holy serpentine limbs runneth amok on thee?"

Well, I've never read it so as of right now, I'm gonna have to take your word for it. I just know RD is not a Hogan fan...infact, I don't think he ever was a WCW fan...now I am NOT stating that as a fact or an opinion...it's been years since I've been to Wrestlecrap.com. I'm more of a fan of the old-school Wrestlecrap.com....anyway, it's been a long time and I THINK I recall reading that RD never liked WCW...I know he was never a Hogan fan....but anyway, that book will be read by me after Easy E's book.

I do. Thank you. I look forward to reading it.

Where did I ever say that I only believe Hogan? All I said was give me sources that say otherwise about Hulk Hogan's idea to turn heel.

I think the reason why you all seem to think I am a blind Hogan mark is because all of you act the same way about wrestlers you are entertained by so you naturally assume everyone is like that when it comes to their favorite wrestler but that is not the case with me. Like I said, no human is perfect.

There's plenty of things Hogan did in his career that I thought were very egoistical and thought he should have done otherwise.

Examples:

1. Wrestlemania IV - Instead of having some tournament, Hogan should have just dropped the belt to Savage in the main event. And then Savage could return the favor to Hulk at Wrestlemania V.

2. Wrestlemania VII - The final match should have been between Savage and Flair and it should have ended with Savage with the title.

(....LOL...I bet all of you are gonna think I'm a Savage mark now huh? Trust me, I'm not.)

3. WrestleMania IX - Yes, I agree with the smarks on this one. Hulk Hogan was very selfish that day and took the spotlight away from Bret Hart and Yokozuna. He was wrong and should not have done that. In my opinion, Bret Hart should have won the match and then taken Hogan on at the King of the Ring and Hogan should have lost to Bret in a clean win. (Since Bret Hart did carry the torch after Hulk left and became a huge star in the WWF, Hulk should have passed the torch to him and it's a shame that match never happened. Even at age 10, I wanted to see those two wrestle and was disappointed when it did not happen.) Then Yokozuna should have won the King of the Ring and beat Bret at Summerslam and then Bret would get the belt back at Wrestlemania X.

4. Summerslam 2006 - I honestly thought Hulk would have done the job for Orton since Orton was the legend killer and it would make sense that Orton get the win. And I was surprised and even a little disappointed in Hulk for not jobbing.

5. Hulk Hogan's book - I read his book, then I read Stone Cold's book. All in a matter of a few weeks recently and I must say, Hulk's book is more entertaining and fun to read....but Steve Austin's book is more real in my opinion. It's kind of like the movies. You can either watch a movie that has some realism to it but is still very whacky and out of this world or a straight up realistic, "it could happen and has happened in this world" movie.

He also seemed like the only thing he was interested in was making money and it was all about money with him whereas Austin seemed to have a true passion for the business. I have no doubt Hogan does too but it seemed like it was about making money first, wrestling second. With Austin it was the only way around. He talked about making money too but not nearly as much as Hogan did and with Austin it was his passions first, money second.

While I don't believe everything Hulk wrote, I do believe he did write the book and that some of what he said was true and not all of it was false. Again, shades of gray.

Many of you guys seem to have a very black and white view point of the world.

The whole "shades of gray" argument is usually nothing but a cop-out used by people to bolster the credibility of an argument that has none. I'm sick of this whole "wisdom" that black-and-white viewpoints are somehow invalid.

Hogan is a greedy, selfish dickweed that has nothing left to offer the wrestling world except his continued absence from it. Call it black, call it white, that's my viewpoint, and fuck off if you don't like it.

Can't I just do ya Momma instead? I'll leave the jerking off to you.

I stand in awe of your amazing mental capacities.

You've basically discounted everything anyone's said in rebuttal. Hence, I mocked you by taking it to the extreme. See, I'm not debating you, I made a coment joking with DT.

Fuck that. I like Scotty 3 Hotty. Anyone think I'm going to Alienoid him around? Naw. Never have.

The reason I think that you're a blind Hogan Mark is that you eschew reason and sense to fellate Hogan.

Yep. That's me.

I believe in black and white. Logic and non. Proof and non. You have provided proof only in the sense that Hogan claimed it. But my attention span and memory tell me Hogan's said the opposite on TV. This casts dispersions on his story. Logic also disctates that since he's been full of shit in the past, taking his word on the matter doesn't make any sense. It's unreasonable.

There may be a reasonable argument in defense of Hogan, but you have not demonstrated it. On the other hand, several people have demonstrated that there IS a reasonable, a well thought out rebuttal to your statements.

You've hidden behind arghuments about how great the NWO was, which I don't remember anyone contesting. And his ingluence in the past being justification for him hurting the business in the present. These are markish arguments. And pretty blind. And hence, you fall into the "unreasonable" colour scheme. Reason has trumped you. And I'm not saying myself, because I'd rather mock you than continue to argue with you over something you're so clearly oblivious to, but there have been many good arguments. And none of them, NONE of them...Were yours.

Remember the fanboy wars a few weeks back? I think we've become embroiled in the "retard wars."

You boys are demonstrating your immaturity and your lack of real life experience since you have no respect for other people's opinions, you think your opinions are facts and you think life is all black and white.

You fellas spend too much time on this message board and don't tell me I'm wrong. You guys have thousands and thousands of posts. That's pretty sad. :lol:

Ah yes, when wrong, just derail the subject.

So Venis, tell us about your real life experince. Tell us why we should respect your views. Tell us why we should give a damn about what you say. Tell us why just because you read a book that you are alpha, you are omega, you are the one who is, the one who was, and the one that has yet to come.

How did I do that? I stated my opinions, you guys stated yours. And clearly no one is going to change the others mind and perhaps you fellas like to waste your life and repeat the same stuff you've already said but I don't.

I never said any of that stuff. Those are your words, not mine.

I just want to know why I should give a damn about what you say. It seems you've used Wikipedia and autobiographys as your only sources.
You wanted to talk about our "lack of real life experience" so I just want to know about your background and who the hell do you think you are bring that up.

I never used Wikipedia. I used books from people actually in the wrestling business as sources for my infomation unlike you guys who probably use "reports" from internet nerds who are not in the business and like to post their opinions as if they were facts.

In regards of my real life experience...hey, take a look at how many posts I have and how many posts you guys have. :lol:

Enough said.

For having too much of a social life to hang out on a wrestling message board you sure seem to have posted a lot in this sorry excuse for a thread

:lol:

LMAO, it's cool dude...

Oh, I don't mind talking wrestling with other fans but I like to keep the debates civil and I don't live on here like all of you and talk about random stuff.

No. :)
:lol: Rep points...you "dudes" are really sad.

I certainly don't live on here... I've been here since 2004 and have less than 1000 posts... stop generalizing everybody asshole

We're sad? You're the fucking loser who is hanging out on a wrestling message board arguing something stupid and trivial relentlessly and wasting time out of this fantastic social life you apparently have to troll said message board.

to summarize... you're a douche bag, go kill yourself

Thanks, and have a good day!

Sincerely,

Goulet

:wave:

I'm no troll. I posted my opinion. Yeah, it's not too popular on this board but I don't care. And I defended myself when attacked unlike others and I don't give a damn if I become popular on this board and you guys know I'm not some computer nerd looking for online friends and an online social life like most people who come on here do so you can't easily beat me and all that just pisses you guys off huh? :lol:

Thank you! You have a nice day too!

You are too a fucking troll, you're being an asshole to receive this reaction, You don't give a damn if you become popular on this board, I never said you did, I actually think it's quite the opposite, you want people to hate you cause you are a loser who has nothing better to do than troll an internet message board. We can't easily beat you? How exactly do you beat someone at the internet, are we playing some sort of game here? Are you proud of winning at the internet? Does it make you feel better about your mental limitations?

Congrats at winning at the internet Val Venis :y:

You may think I'm being an asshole but I don't think I am. And no, I am not posting these opinions to get heat. These are my honest opinions. I think you guys are a bunch of cyber bullies who love to gang up on others and try to run them off the board to make yourselves feel better because you're losers and victims to bullies in real life or were victims to bullies in your youth.

I never made this whole thing personal. That would be you guys. I posted my opinions on Hogan...an opinion that is shared by many people all over the world and that opinion being is that he is an icon in the wrestling business and you guys made personal attacks on me.

I came here to talk wrestling and believe me, there are many other places that I can do that at. The only reason why I'm still here is because I think someone needs to stand up to you guys and I'll never give you fellas the satisfaction of thinking you ran me off. I'll leave when I'm ready and no sooner.

You guys couldn't run me off here in 2002 and you can't run me off here now. When I'm not on this board for a long time, it's because I made that was my choice. I'm like my hero Hulk Hogan. I show up every now and then and I take names and kick ass when I do...BROTHER!

Why is your avatar of Goldust?

Die. Just fucking die.

*insert gay joke here*

Who knows, maybe his next porno is being made by .24” Dick Productions :shifty:

Which can be noticed by the simplest evaluation of how his attitude has shifted during this thread, as he decides what will and won't get a reaction. God it must be depressing to have such a fragile ego that you have to convince yourself that you're cooler than a bunch of guys on a message board.

You think he goes on those expectant mother sites and advocates for abortions?

It is my honor to introduce to you the next big thing on tpww.net!

Yeah, uh-huh. Not half as sad as you are. To me and most of the members of this site rep points don't mean jack shit. The real point of the Wrestling Forum is to have CIVILIZED discussions and debates, something which you are apparently incapable of. Maybe if you'd get more sources before you just get 1 or 2 and believe every sentence there, you'd get a little more respect, but no, you have to troll around and bug us with your pro-Hogan agenda. Why don't you just go and make friends with Hogan and the President, and you can form your own league of super friends or something, but you know what? You either need to stop being so biased in your opinions or leave, it's your choice.

See here's the thing moron. Hulk Hogan is an icon in the wrestling business, there is no denying that! I agree with you! I used to love Hulk Hogan... when I was 7, and I got caught up in the whole thing when he came back in '02 as well. (I was at WMX8) but he has no fucking business wrestling anymore. And that opinion is shared by many people all over the world! My issue with you is that you are trying to get a reaction out of people, that's your whole fucking purpose of being here, you aren't here to talk wrestling, you're here to be a shit disturber.

Just fuck off already asshole

See, you're hiding behind that because you know your argument is shit.

Also, demanding respect for all opinions, no matter how irrational, is stupid in and of itself. Your opinions are not worthy of respect, because they are founded in sheer idiocy.

Cause I like doing off the wall things like that.

That's another reason why you guys are losers. You're a bunch of homophobic assholes. I'm not gay but I don't think there's a thing wrong with being homosexual. Grow up kid.

I have decided...I AM better then all of you. Here's why:

1. I don't make personal attacks on people just because their opinions differs from mine and I keep the debates civil until someone says something rude to me.

2. I'm not some anti-gay, Fred Phelps wanna-be jack-ass.

3. I'm a mature adult with the mind of a mature, well raised 24-year old man unlike all of you who have the minds of teenage boys or ARE teenage boys.

4. I don't give a damn about rep points or if I have a high post count or not and don't think having a high post count on an internet message board is something worth bragging about, I don't live on this board and I have actual friends who I actually talk to.

5. I don't live on boards like these. I visit them yes and I say what I gotta say and then I leave and come back when I feel like it but I will never be a regular like all of you or be worried about my rep points or be concerned with what my post count is. I have higher goals in life then that.

I don't even know why I'm debating with you fellas. Many of you guys have thousands and thousands of posts on here and quite a lot of "online" friends....I win by default. :cool: You're all a waste of space. This message board is the only thing your worthless asses will ever have. :lol: And no matter what your responses to me will be....just remember one thing boys....right now as you read these words on your screen...you're allll alone. :lol:

Finally, we can debate various subjects on here but no matter what is said, in the end I will always be better then all of you...because on Friday night, I'll be out having fun whereas many of you are going to be sitting alone, watching Smackdown and talking to other losers on this message board. :lol: Nuff' said.

As much as I enjoy watching people try to vindicate being the "bigger man" and laughing at the majorty there's just one thing I gotta say...

So if you're so much better than us why are you sinking down to our level? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Does it get you high? Does it make you feel better than you really are? Do you get a kick out of seeing the commoners scurry about?
Seriously, if you believe you're so much better than everyone else here, then leave. If we're all teenagers, and you're on the same message board, that makes you a pedophile. PEDOPHILE!!!!

If someone insults me, I defend myself. And in debates, everyone has a "style" of debating and when dealing with your kind, I gotta do it in your language....so you understand me. If I try to be mature and civil with you, you're not going to understand because you're young, stupid and immature....and when your kind doesn't understand something, they mock it and you're just gonna laugh and make fun of me and make cheesy gay jokes cause that's what kiddies do.

.....I work with teenagers too. :naughty:

Can someone ban this motherfucker?

Based on what grounds? Defending myself? Haha. Yeah, ban me. Just further proves that you guys are cowards. Maybe you fellas won't talk about it but you know deep down in those things you think are your brains that I got the better off all of you and that I was right and that you used a cowardly method to get rid of me.

Notice how he's all "I don

t care about post counts," but it's one of the first things he uses to attack people? :rofl: What a stupid fuck.

Fuck you make my head hurt... I want you banned cause you're an asshole... I never even argued with you Hogan points, I couldn't care less what you think about Hulk Hogan... I don't care if it's the "cowardly" way, I just want you to leave. If that means you got the better of me and makes you feel like you've "won" then take it, good for you! You won the internet!

And you're calling us sad :roll:

You are sad, Goulety.

I think you're going overboard with this PC stuff. Contrary to popular media, "gay" can be used in a joking manner, parodying its own definition. So just because I say something is "gay" doesn't mean I despise people who engage in homosexual sex. It's not too different from using a word like "fuck" for emphatic or shock value to add humor.

So please stop playing the gay card, because that just makes you look like the overzealous activists who use the race card to create a controversy and try to stir up sympathy simply because it's the easiest way to go about things.

Also, keep in mind there are fags on here. Real, living members of the GBLT "community."

Oddly enough, we're not speaking up about some random comment. Possibly because we believe Venis is a homo, or possibly becausee we don't give a shit.

Besides, wrestling is a gay passtime. Come on, half the board creams themselves when a man in tights and mascara comes out and sticks is tongue out.

As a matter of fact, replying to the extremely uncharged line *insert gay joke here* in such a defensive and appalled manner is a seriously inappropriate overreaction. Goldust inspires gay jokes, as any intelligent person can see. And where's this "defending myself" crap coming from, this whole thread was an attempt at pissing people off in the first place, nothing but an invitation to lash out. And he says he's not like Fred Phelps.

Also, I'm still pretty sure he screws Hulk Hogan dolls, and not actual men.

Hence my belief that any given wrestling fan is either entirely gay, or entirely comfortable in his sexuality. Talk about black and white.

..........Who?

I thought the Tongue Part would make it clear I was talking about Taker. :o

That isn't mascara, it's eyeliner.
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I'm not doing myself any favors, am I.

No, when you're getting more anal about makeup than a tranny, it's time to come out of the closet. ;)

......I didn't see this board as a group of Undertaker marks. Part of me thought KK was talking about someone in TNA, or some random over rated indy guy.

Well, there is Chris Daniels, but he doesn't stick his tongue out.

What about Rico? Is he even wrestling still?

They wouldn't like him. You can't be openly gay in wrestling. It's like Batman, or any other gay trend. As long as it's "subtle," it's gay culturally phenomenal. If it's overt, they'll turn on you like smarks on Jericho when he comes back and endorses John Cena as the best wrestler ever.

Hey, I have no interest in that. Except for occasionally wearing the underwear. Which, as we discussed, is strictly a comfort thing.

Dude, you paint your toenails...

...Which reminds me...can't ffind my nail polish. :foc: