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Well I could repost the article buuuuut it did say that he had an offer with two options and they were september and november and he said november.
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You are right that Dana shouldn't open his mouth. Recently, his has said different things constantly about various things but a lot of it is old stuff people are reposting as new. He needs to use his site to make his words known in the world.
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He also needs to make a UFC ranking sstem public so everyone can see where the fighters are in terms of title contention. That way its not the same people fighting every time and people who are earning their way up get a shot.
It just seems that dana just puts people in there that are a money draw. Which is smart in terms of getting viewers and buyrates but thats going to wear thin sooner or later and he needs to fix it now before it gets out of hand. |
I think the ranking thing is hard because fighters always refuse to fight certain guys and people will complain if say Shogun is fighting for the 205lbs on PPV when he is the 5th ranked guy or something. Also, how would they rank fighters and how do they introduce new guys from Pride and what not? No way will Fedor be fighting 5 guys before getting a title shot.
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well i dont know too much about how boxing runs itself other than is getting phased out because of the greedy promoters. In terms of wwe wrestling, you cant really have a ranking system because its all a work and the title shots have to do more with storylines and entertainment. If you mean real wrestling, there is no titles and shots. Its all qualification and titles are once a year unless its the olympics which is every 4.
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Id like to see something kinda like this: Depending on where you are in the card determines where you stand in terms of contention. Usually theres 4 or 5 televised fights on a card. if your the first fight, your 3 or 4 wins out of title contention. If your the match before the main event or if there isnt a title being defended and you are the main event then you should be 1 win from contention. Or something like that.
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In boxing, the various alphabet companies who have titles have board members who rank fighters. It's full of political bullshit and can't be taken too seriously. Some bodies refuse to rank fighters who hold another world title. For example, Joe Calzaghe has been the best super middleweight fighter for the last 10 years and has never been ranked by the IBF, WBA or WBC because he was the WBO champion. He even won the IBF title in this time and the mandatory defense he would have had to have done was insane. I don't think rankings would work in MMA to be honest. Too much room for arguement and at the end of the day, it's Dana White's baby and he wants to make money. And the best way for him to do that is make the big fights and he does that.
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Shogun/Forrest being rumored on mmaweekly...nighty night Griffin.
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Must've overlooked your post. Cant wait , september has 3 fight nights.
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Forget that, they have a Fight Night show on Sept 19 too.
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I though Shogun vs Griffin was on the same card as Liddell vs Jardine?
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I'm pretty sure it is. Here are the cards taken from MMAweekly.com
UFC 75: SEPTEMBER 8, 2007 IN LONDON, ENGLAND -Quinton Jackson (#2 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Dan Henderson (#4 Light Heavyweight in the World)* -Mirko Cro Cop (#3 Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Cheick Kongo -Michael Bisping vs. Matt Hamill -Houston Alexander vs. Alessio Sakara -Thiago Silva vs. Tomasz Drwal -Marcus Davis vs. Paul Taylor -Jess Liaudin vs. Anthony Johnson -Gleison Tibau vs. Terry Etim -Naoyuki Kotani vs. Dennis Siver UFC Fight Night -Din Thomas vs. Spencer Fisher -Mike Swick vs. Jonathan Goulet -Chris Leben vs. Terry Martin -Nate Diaz vs. Junior Assuncao -Kuniyoshi Hironaka vs. Thiago Alves -Gray Maynard vs. TBA -Luke Cummo vs. TBA UFC 76 -Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (#1 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Forrest Griffin -Chuck Liddell (#3 Light Heavyweight in the World)* vs. Keith Jardine -Diego Sanchez (#6 Welterweight in the World)* vs. Jon Fitch (#7 Welterweight in the World)* -Tyson Griffin vs. Thiago Tavares -Jason Lambert vs. Wilson Gouveia -Matt Wiman vs. Michihiro Omigawa -Evan Tanner vs. TBA -Justin McCully vs. TBA |
Gray Maynard is fighting Joe Veres on the Fight Night show.
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Nate Diaz vs. Junior Assuncao will most likely be the main event. I think Maynard should get on the main card tho. He's more known and probably more talented then alot of those fighters listed.
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Luke Cummo is fighting Edilberto Crocota, hopefully he is on the main card.
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Sakara can bang though.
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True. Jardine might not be a great fighter but he's good, and certainly no push over. And Houston Alexander swatted him like a fly. We'll find out for sure after the Sakara fight whether he's for real or he got lucky.
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I'm totally going to UFC 77 in Cincinnati. As soon as tickets go on sale i'm there. Right now theres a couple fights with the ME being Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin ( amazing ME ). I'm hoping they add Fedors debut, but if Couture beats Gonzales at 74, i cant see how Fedor doesnt debut against Couture. More on that later.
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Doesnt matter. Couture outclasses him in everything and Couture wont be dumb enough to walk right into a kick to the face. Plus unlike Cro Crop, Couture is pretty well versed in the cage if you know what i mean. Gonzaga wont win this fight.
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I still stand by my pick of Gabe. Though I do hope Randy wins, I pick Gabe.
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See the Russians want Fedor to have a warm up fight before he fights a big name in the UFC cause he's used to the 4 side ring and his team involves alot of communication. They're worried about the cage. So they want him to have a walk over fight to get used to it. If i'm Dana White, unless you're planning to hold Couture from action for about 5 to 6 months, you have to take advantage of the Couture train while its moving. You cant risk having Couture losing a fight before Fedor gets his shot. The biggest money UFC can dream of right now is Randy Couture vs Fedor for the title. So i dont think Dana would be happy with Fedor taking a warm up fight first. I'm not saying that Fedor is wrong for wanting to do so. I'm simply saying that Couture whos become a underdog hero this late in his career and nothing less then an absolute incredible story with what he's accomplished, vs Fedor who is widely considered the best MMA fighter in the world today. You cant just sit on that. You gotta cash in on that fight right away. You cant risk Couture fighting another fight after the Gonzaga fight and losing. Not to say he cant lose to Gonzaga. I just dont see it happening. If Couture beats Gonzaga, Dana will get Fedor signed and i dont see how he can possibly want Fedor having any other fight then the Couture fight. It will be the biggest fight in UFC history. It need to be cashed as soon as possible. While the Randy train is still moving full steam ahead cause if Randy loses a fight and loses that belt, he's probably retiring and they'll miss the Fedor vs Randy fight.
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I agree,but if Fedor wants a ' warm up' fight beforehand i'd give it to him, I mean what are the chances he loses right? lol. But I wouldn't have Couture fight after this Gonzaga fight, until Fedor would win his debut match..then i'd make the Fedor/Couture match. So Randy would go like 4-5 months without a defense but that's ok..when has Serra defended his title? Oh that's right never! He's juast keeping it warm for Hughes according to Dana.
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GSP is gunna murder Josh Koscheck. Matt Hughes couldnt even take GSP down, i dont know what Koscheck can possibly do other then get karate kicked in the head and knocked out.
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First of all i dont think Gonzaga is stronger. He's not better stand up. Randy's clinch is miles better and his wrestling ( which imo is second to no one ) will keep the fight on the ground. And you act like Randy is a stranger to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. He beat Vitor Belfort twice and Belfort BJJ was so much better then Gonzagas right now. If thats all you're basing your opinion on, then sure i'll make a bet cause Randy will win this in 2 rounds. Go ahead and make a bet.
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Realistically CroCop should have killed Gonzaga, but he came out like he was going to walk thru the fight which was not the thing to do against gonzaga. He didnt train in a cage, he didnt look like he warmed up much for the fight, and he came in with almost no intensity. He thought he was too good for UFC and he got put in his place.
Dont think Im saying Gonzaga isnt the real deal because he is awsome. I could see him beating randy just as much as I can see randy beating him. however I can see Randy having the slight advantage because he has all the experience. I will go on to say this and you can bet me if you like, if The fight goes past the third round randy will win. also fedor is too professional to make his first fight a title fight. Theres no way in hell that he would accept it. He knows he needs a fight in the cage first and thats exactly what he will do. |
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what? no if gonzaga beats cotour then fedor would be able to have more than one tune up fights under his belt. If cotour wins then there will be pressure for a Randy Fedor fight to happen as soon as possible.
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If Randy wins you cannot give Fedor a warm up match, you risk losing too much. They gave Mirko a warm up and look what happened to him, you can't risk Fedor coming in and getting beat before the title fight, you can't risk Randy defending and possibly losing the title against someone else. If Randy wins, then that has to be the next match.
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Mirko was playing games. He wanted the title fight in his 4th fight so he could talk about a new contract whilst possibly being champion.
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lol what?
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Dana White (and others) said he was putting off fighting for the title and wanted more warm up fights. Thoughts were he wanted to run down his contract and then could make a better deal if he was the champion.
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so ur saying he let himself get KOed so that he could get a later title shot?
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Jeez can't you read? Where did I say anything about letting himself get KO'd? That would be the stupidest business move in the history of MMA.
I'm saying that instead of fighting for the title in his 2nd contract fight. he wanted 2 more fights before he fought for the title. If he wins the title in his 2nd fight, he had 2 more fights where he had to defend the belt before he could go to Dana White and renew his contract as champion. When you are the champ, your value shoots up. |
right i understand about the value... i am just making sure u arent implying he threw the GG fight so he didnt have an early title shot.
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From where I was sitting in the MEN arena, I'd call Mirko an Olympic standard diver and an Oscar worthy actor if he threw that fight.
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Spencer Fisher is out of his Fight Night main event against Din Thomas. UFC has already replaced him with Kenny Florian.
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Sucks for Din Thomas lol
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didnt he get a staph infection or some shit?
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Yeah. So did a few others in his camp.
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Awsome Wanderlei video. He answers a lot of questions.
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dude silva is a stand up guy. hes going to kill everybody if he continues to train with randy.
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Andrei is getting fucked right now...
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Article on CroCop/Gonzaga
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Awsome Chuck interview...
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Just link it in the future.
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Just be awkward then.
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Tim Sylvia to fight Brandon Vera
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I have found it puzzeling that Andrei has been buried lately. Yeah he did have a shitty boring fight...but he won for fucks sake, that's the whole fucking point. And lets not forget this is the guy who was knocking people out for fun. Dana White is a fucking jackass.
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He had 2 shitty fights. Arvolski is gonna come back with the anger of a caged animal.
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Hes been geting fucked right now. He had a bad fight against Sylvia and another in his last fight but between those two he knocked out his other opponent. Not to mention his last fight was against a guy that is a black belt in BJJ and primarily fights as such, and andrei is a stand up fighter. Fights with that combonation historically have been very boring about 9 times out of 10. Plus the guy ran from andrei and why should andrei go to the ground with a Black belt if he doesnt have to.
Not trying to argue with anyone, just venting really. My wrestling coach trains him in wrestling too and he was telling me that it was rumored that andrei was going to fight vera next, even andrei is out of the loop. I wonder who andrei could possably have now. Especially because the next match up for CroCop is apparently supposed to be Big Nog if he beats Kongo. The only other fighters I could see being worth it for andrei to fight would be either Herring or Mir. But they are not up to the level that andrei needs to be fighting to get a title shot. |
He should have been the opponent for one of the new guys coming in, dana white is just being an asshole because he had a couple of shitty fights. He should be put right in the mix with guys like cro cop (who lets not forget just got knocked the fuck out). Dana white get's pissed when guys have boring fights, he would do well to remember he is the one that books the fights in the first place. A bit of thought into things and boring fights would be less frequent.....imo
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your right but i mean not everyone is trying to put on a show. Sometimes guys actually want to win. Now I respect the showmanship, but when there is a lot on the line, its much smarter to play it a bit safer than to try something stupid and get caught. When it comes down to it, it should be about wins.
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I agree ..even though he's had boring fights lately, Arlovski should be in the mix for the title. Him vs. Nogueria would be the goods.
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Sorry but nobody wants to see boring fights. Arlovski's last 2 fights were horrible. It's more frustrating because everyone knows he has exciting fights in him.
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you do realize that he had a fight between sylvia and werdum fights against marcio cruz where he KOed him in the first round right? so he hasnt had two boring fights in a row... hes had two boring fights total.
And it doesnt matter whether people want to see in terms of boring fights. It happens and theres nothing you can do about it. When you get to the top level of competition its going to happen. It happens in every sport and now that everyone is learning from everyone else, its happening in MMA. Watch the best in boxing. either Mayweather or Delahoya could have won that fight because they were so close to eachother. Watch actual wrestling like the olympics or ncaas. Rulon Gartner beat Corellon, the undefeated Russian who won 3 olympic golds in a row, by the score of 1-0 in 2000. Now was it exciting? Not at all, but their not going to not give him the gold medal because he had a boring match. Theyre not going to say a guy cant advance in a tournament because he didnt have an exciting match. dana thinks that because there is so many dynamics to MMA that every fight should be awsome but thats rediculous. I understand that the fighters like to put on a show but this isnt wwe its an actual sporting event. Boxers and olympic wrestlers like to put on a show as well, but if they have a quality opponent, they need to go for the win. Sure they can say they 'went down in flames' or ' in a fleet of glory' but in the long run people only remember who win. the others fade off maybe with a little cult following but thats it. |
Marcio Cruz fight wasn't that exciting.
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It was a terrible knockout. It could almost be classified as a cheap shot. Now mind you it wasn't illegal, but it wasn't very honorable.
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Totally agree with what Reavant said. NFL is the most popular sport and there is a bunch of boring games. Boxing back in it's haydays had a ton...don't kid yourselfs here. They could probably give Arlovski a Lance Storm type gimmick and hype him up as a heel...then at least you want to watch to see if he loses :|
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Wanderlei Silva has signed with UFC, fighting in December
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WINNER AND STILL THE UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
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Randy looked great in that fight. If he keeps his training up like he is now he is going to retire (again) as champ, I don't know who is going to beat him. Maybe Cro Cop...I don't think so though. Maybe Fedor....
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In other news I read Frank Mir won, glad to see him back and hopefully for real.
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I hoped he could do it, but as I posted in this thread - I didn't think he could, but my god, Randy Couture is my fucking hero.
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Bring on Fedor..but im guessing Nogueria will be next opponent.
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I heard Nogueria is in line for Cro Crop. Bring Fedor now please. Where's Rob and his bets?????
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Anyone have a link to the Babalu finish.
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