Its so cool that all the little things from even the first season are so important.

I remember what Locke said to Walt when they played Backgammon the first time,

'Two sides.....one is light....one is dark...' so significant.

the statue definitely. I think it indicates an ancient civilization on the island though. There's a lot of temple shit on the island. I guess the powers of the Island/Jacob were there God or something to that effect.

The donkey wheel was obviously man made. That's a good point. I just kind of accepted that it was a part of the island but it obviously got there somehow. But how?

Why did Ben steal Rouseau's baby
How long had the island folk been there before Dharma arrived
What is Dharma's real objective in all of this

On the subject of Polar Bears...


we now know that the polar bears were just test subjects from the Dharma installation. We saw their cages, and apparently at least one of them travelled through time and came out in the desert.
But is that all there is to it? They were just using polar bears as guinea pigs and adapting them to tropical weather?
Do we know why? Why polar bears?

Hopefully Charolette can explain this.

1 - I think he genuinely wanted to go against his former boss (Charles) to save a life, what with his own experiences of his mother being taken from him.

2 - Unknown

3 - Think DHARMA simply wanted to experiment and harness the unique geological and supernatural properties on the Island. I doubt they knew of its real supernatural significance and importance.

I'm not sure if we'll get any more on the donkey wheel. It feels like a lot of things are kind of left to the imagination in terms of how they actually work. We know that there is a large source of energy underground and we know that there is a wheel in the wall. At some point someone figured out that they could stick the wheel in the wall and it would cause the island to move while transporting the turner to Africa.

That damn Dharma Initiative. Buncha sneaky bastards. I hope we get to see Radzinksy blow his brains out this season.

It makes sense that Dharma just wanted to experiment and study the island. The real question is, how did they know about the island and how did they find it?

It's not like "the island" is just known to the world like The Amazon and The Congo, and you can just go there and study it.
Someone or something had to inform them about it and allow them to get there.

Same goes for that Army team with Whidmore. Was that US or UK army? Were they there by accident or were they on a specific government mission?

How did the Black Rock get to the center of the island and who was on it?

Richard was. Other than that I would just assume a bunch of sailors who didn't get his gift and died.

They tell us a little about the black rock in an episode where we see a painting of it being auctioned off. I don't remember what year it went missing, but they tell that. 1800s. They also explain that it was either a slave or spice ship or something. Again, I forget.

How it got to the center of the Island? Beats me. I guess I just chalked it up to wierdness and assumed it was a tidal wave or something

One would assume that someone from the island told others maybe?

As for how it got in the middle of the island, maybe a hurricane or perhaps there used to be a tributary that flowed through the jungle and perhaps the ship was washed out there?

No she was part of the French crew. They were only there 16 years before the passengers of 815.

The Black Rock was from the 1800s and Richard was on it. I'm pretty sure. Like I said, I intend on rewatching seasons 4 and 5 soon.

I edited that. :)

DHARMA's founder/sponsor was ALVAR HANSO, of the HANSO foundtation and family. The same family who owned the log book of The Black Rock (It wasn't a painting being auctioned, it was a log book).

Also, if you decode the blast door map, the site of the black rock is also listed as being the final resting place of someone called Hanso.

There is a connection, yet its not fully visable yet.

Richard was not on the Black Rock. Not according to anything stated on the show so far. I don't know why I thought that. I guess it was something I must have thought up myself, and remembered as fact.
With so much going on in the show it's easily to occasionally get mixed up

He could have been though...

There is more to Richard than we truly know, that's for sure.

An episode containing backstory on Richard would answer a lot of questions about a lot of things

Think there will be more than a single back story, like several.

Hopefully

I'm all for that Jeritron!

Just found out the translation between Richard at the end of season 5 with the people who had Locke's real body.

'What lies in the shadow of the statue?'

Richard's reply translates as 'He who will save us'.

Its not Jacob they are referring to, it's Locke :D

Makes sense considering Richard has always been very concerned with Locke. He visited him as an infant, a child, and a teen to attempt recruiting him.
Then he helped him several times while the island was time travelling.

Yeah, but when he was talking to Jack about Locke, he mentioned that he didn't see anything special in him when he visited him.

Whoever Richard is, and whatever he does with or for Jacob, he, like Ben and Widmore, I think are not completely sure either as to the size of importance as to what's going on and how important Locke and his friends are to the Island and the upcoming revelations.

No clue why Richard has always had short hair, except when young Ben ran into him and he had long hair. Seems random since we saw him in years prior to that with his normal short hair.
Doesn't seem like a "huge deal". Maybe just an oversight by the creators.

So I bought the Lost S5 today, but I picked up the special one instead.

Instead of being a regular DVD box set, it's an orientation packet for the Dharma Initiative. It's got some pamphlets, fliers, a VHS cassette (yes, a REAL one), and several Dharma patches (the Lighthouse, the Cafeteria, Security, and the Submarine one).

It was like 30 bucks more, but I'm not regretting it at all. Even the DVD's come in paper cases that look like old school floppy disks. Pretty awesome stuff.

I bought the DHARMA Box set for season 1,2,3

Gonna wait for all season box set is released. Long time away but still.

Shit, that exists?

I might have to get in on that action. The Dharma thing is awesome to me.

I got my mate into LOST, he works as a chef, he's planning on getting the DHARMA Chef badge and stitching it onto his kitchen whites lol.

I've started rewatching in anticipation of Season 6.

One more question...anyone remember the bird that "calls Hurley's name"? What was that about!?

Ah yeah, 'The Hurley Bird'.

Not too sure about it, could be something, could be nothing. Was a big bird, and without him pointing it out, I doubt we would think or know it said his name.

There are a few things to do with animals on the Island - Kate's horse (although there was a farm at The Flame), Nadia the cat (Sayid), Locke telling a story to two people I forget about a family member being reincarnated into an animal, the dog picture in Jacob's cabin.

Dunno, nothing to suggest that theres anything with animals or anything.

I didnt know I was such a big part of the show.

My guess on the black rock....It was sailing wherever and the Island was moved via the wheel and landed right where the rock was.

Possibly the same thing with the Army and A-bomb?

Well you can see The Black Rock approaching the island in the last episode of season 5. It's sailing off shore and Jacob and his enemy talk about it.
His enemy mentions that they'll crash and destroy eachother just like everyone else has. Jacob says that every new group makes progress. Presumably this means that Oceanic 815 is one in a line of groups, and "the end" of some ongoing experiment or trial.

I don't know, the whole Jacob vs his enemy thing, and what they say about island visitors is beside the point. Either way The Black Rock is sailing towards the island while they're talking.

Perhaps whatever shipwrecks The Black Rock so far inland is the same event that causes the statue to be left with just the foot

Cloverfield?

Could somehow blowing up the hatch destroy the statue? Some sort of way to show that what they do has already influenced the future? I dunno.

Do you mean the hatch exploding in season 2, or them blowing up the construction site (hypothetically) at the end of season 5?

I have a crazy ass hunch that whatever maroons the Black Rock inland, it happens and is because of whatever destroys/takes away the statue.

That's a crazy ass hunch! Good thing I didn't post it

This show is confusing as hell. I watched a bit of some episode some time ago, and this bald guy gave another guy a gun and told him that he's gonna walk out of some bushes in few minutes and ordered that he shoots him. I had no idea what that was all about, but in fact he walked out. Also, they were talking about being form future and some guy was another's father even though they were like same age. No idea what it's all about, but I never got the hype about that show.

You can't just watch a random episode from the middle of the show and know whats going on. Would you pick up a book and start on chapter 10?

That actually depends. Some shows you can watch no matter where you start from. And yeah, I watched the first episode and it didn't interest me a bit.

Then my friend told me that theye were supposedly on a desert island, then found out there were others liviing there, and eventually even found a city there. Fucked up.

Yea some shows you can watch no matter where they start from. Some you can't. Lost is continuous. Every episode is tied to the one before it, and leads into the next.

There's just subtle differences between a show like Lost and a show like The Office

Probably my main complaint about people that 'hate on' this show. Like, most of them bitch because it doesn't make sense, and they watched an episode here or there and it didn't look interesting, or it looked stupid. Hell, I did that before I started watching it.

Well that's because just as Jeritron said, you CAN'T do that with LOST. You have to watch it from the beginning, and you have to watch more than one episode to get involved in it. Once you do, you realize you can't stop watching.

Now is a good time to get started too, because the 6th and final season begins in February. So you could go through most of it without having to wait for new episodes, which is IMO the worst part about watching the show.. having to wait.

A typical story shape could been seen as a line, from start finish.

Another could be a circle, starts with the ending etc.

LOST is pretty much a '8' shape.

I really want to know what happend to the Degroots and Hanso

Feb? Feb!

I was under the impression that Season 6 started this month!!

Febuary 2nd, unless Obama has his way.

Is he that big of a fan he wants to bring it forward?

OK...not long now...

Think I'll post my theories and thoughts nearer the air date.

Pretty obvious why they have not released ANY new footage of the new season, kinda prefer it that way.

ALTHOUGH...

There is ONE FRAME of new footage on their newest promo, most people prob missed it as did i, here it is....

http://www.sl-lost.com/claire_badass.jpg

Just got a semi, this looks fucking amazing...

Was is just me or did the Man in Black look like Survivor's Richard Hatch? It's fitting since Lost is like Survivor trapped on an island with hatches.

It's probably been said already, but the relationship between Jacob/Man in Black is the same deal with Ben and Widmore since they both can't kill one another.

I havent read many spoilers

Yeah pretty much can't wait.

Gotta watch it online wednesday morning being over here in the UK. Getting up pretty handy to watch it.

From the preview, there are already loads of images I like the look of...

- The Temple - where the rest of the others are situated looks very interesting, esp with that Eastern bloke turning the sand timer upside down.

- The smoke monster attacking inside Jacob's 'tomb'.

- Flocke picking up the white stone off the scales.

- Sawyer?...someone climbing that ladder and falling.

I prefer to watch it on my big TV, but I'm always out on Friday nights when its being shown in the UK so gonna keep watching it on Sundays repeat.

i just want to know what the hell the black smoke is, exactly, and how Richard is seemingly immortal. i agree with kano that Jacob is probably someone we already know.

I'm not sure if I now think Jacob is actually 'someone else', rather he/it/whatever/whoever is, is able to be represented in the form of someone who is dead.

Smoke Monster is a tough one, big time. Seems be to in the middle of good and bad so far. It is some kind of good/evil stabiliser or equilibrium measure or something.

That whole thing with Jack being all "Why is my name written down on this?" seems quite interesting.

Awesome

Could be another link to the whole 'list' thing, but probably has much much more significance. Its obvious 'a war is coming' and Jack, along with Hurley, Kate etc are picked for one side, maybe.

It was also good to see Sayid still alive, although I do still think he will be one of the ones to be killed off. His story seems more or less complete imo.

He's in the trailer, and it looks like some Eastern guy is about to burn his gunshot wound shut.

Yep

Cannot. Wait.

Sadly, I live in the UK and will have to wait til tomorrow (My net connection better not fuck up!)

On the plus side, gives me enough time to re-watch episodes 11-17 of Season 5.

Did I mention that I can't wait?

Great stuff. This last season better have a ton of Jack/ John scenes or i will be pissed. All there scenes thru out the series have been amazing.

First episode was pretty uneventful but they needed a good setup. Second episode was fucking awesome.

Why was Desmond on the plane? God dammit I hate this show so much.

This show makes less and less sense.

I was pretty happy with this, overall. I'm really interested to see where this Locke as the Man in Black thing goes and what the deal with Sayid is.

Also, for those who havent seen this:

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Sure it's in Spanish, but fuck.

At first I thought the plane sequence was a dream. Now I am thinking it is an alternate reality that was created when the bomb went off. Perhaps the ultimate goal of this season is to get to the alternate reality.

The only think I can make of the Alternate Reality is....

Better question. Where the fuck did Desmond go????? ( Time traveling maybe??? )

I thought it was tremendous. More puzzle peices obviously, but very satisfying.

I don't think there's any doubt that it's an alternate reality. I don't know where that alternate reality will go, but it's clear that some forces are at work that are causing the characters to intertwine regardless of being off the island. Fate.
Interested to see how the differences occured (like Hurley having good luck and Shannon not being on the plane).

They had stated this summer that there would be a whole new format in the style of the flashbacks, flashforwards, and time travel in the previous seasons. Looks like it's going to be the alternate reality.
They also said that this would go on for only half the season, and it would all come together eventually, causing the entire show to become linear for the first time leading into the finale.

The hidden society of the temple blew my mind. So glad this show continues to refrain from taking the easy way out and introduce great new twists.
Looks like we're getting really close to some explanation on Richard. The Man in Black mentioned him being free from his chains, so I think I may have been onto something with my theory that he came to the Island on the Black Rock.

One thing I'm a bit confused about, but I'm sure will get cleared up:
The Man in Black (clone Locke) is now revealed to also be The Smokemonster, in addition to being able to imitate dead people.
Well, in the Temple City they're afraid of him and are trying to keep him out.
This is curious because we saw The Monster entering and exiting the temple. One time it was killing the French team. Rosseau called it a security system for said temple.

So, presumably, he was either part of that community, or under their control. What happened there? How did he go from protecting the place to being a threat?

I know they don't have a crazy budget to spend on special effects, but that was some truly awful CGI tonight.

Oh well. Fun stuff. Alternate realities and Egyptian lore and whatnot.

How are they being shown this though? It's not like the versions of them who land safely in the alternate reality have the same consciousness as the versions of them who have experienced everything on the island in the original reality.
Unless deja vu and funny feelings turn into something more, there is no shared consciousness. That's the whole deal with it being an alternate reality. There's no connection there yet, so it's not like Jack's going to say "this suck I wish we still crashed."

I dunno. Hurley's life seems to be better. And Boone's obviously better off not being on the island since, you know, he's not dead.

I wonder what Jacob's incarnation was all about. Cause we know the Monster can imitate the dead and we know Hurley sees dead people.

That too

Great interview with Damen Lindelof on Kimmel right now.

Kimmel was naming off things from tonights episode and they were revealing if it was intended or just coincidence.

Michael and Walt not being on the plane.."fate"

And remember the monster was in the Temple when Ben was judged. Maybe the monster had a truce not to disturb the temple while Jacob was alive. And now he's dead the people know the truce is over

Maybe more of a Irony thing being shown to the audience.

Also what the fuck happened to Widmore? He's just gone. Was a huge part of the story and now doesn't even matter.

I have a theory that says Richard used to be one of these secret temple people, and that they are are all like Richard. Richard got exiled somehow and stuff. Or something.

I say this because only Richard really seemed to know what was up with the firecracker, while the other Others looked confused.

I think its a mixed bag. Some have better lives, some worse. Either way, fate causes certain things to happen no matter what.

Fate vs Free Will is what it's all about

There was no part where I felt his absence. He's just not a part of the story currently.
Where was he missing?

He had no story obligations going into tonights episode, and given the current points in both realities, he just isn't a factor.
I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him, but even if we have he's served his part. Just like the Dharma folks. They weren't involved in tonights episode and they dominated the last season.

WHATEVER I hate this show. Never watching it again

The Island won't allow that

Just thought of something...

When Jack, Kate, Jin, Sawyer, Sayid and Hurley travlled back to present time from 1977 thanks to the bomb detonating, somehow a Dharma bus came with them.
Boy, that was convenient

Well, possibly but I don't think he'd be an exile since he has come and gone into the temple a few times.
At least once that I can think about off hand, with young Ben.

Maybe he was sent to monitor the others, who are another branch of that society.

kinda sad its the 'final season'

When Fake Locke said "good to see you out of your chains" to Richard, I kinda got the feeling he was referring to him being free of the immortality thing. Like maybe now that Jacob's dead Richard ages regularly.

Oh and yeah I agree that while things started a bit slower, they have set the scene for the entire season now and things can only get better from here. Can't wait to see how this all pans out.

very estute observation

Can anyone PM a link to a download/torrent/stream? Every link I have found goes to a MegaVideo stream which manages to fuck up after about a minute.

I got one. Top secret place you can watch the whole thing in high quality


www.abc.com

I don't believe ABC's videos work outside the US

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lo...damon-carlton/


Good read for anyone interested

So was the temple society on the island the whole time? I've forgotten a lot of what's been said in the past seasons recently, just sort of too much for my head

Are they the anti-others?

Also, is this going to be evil-Sayeed? The way I interpreted it was that "Jacob" who told Hurley to take him to the temple was just the man in black using Jacob's figure.

Fucking wild.