You're making me appreciate James Steele.

I will tentatively schedule Rob.

I be runnin this shit.

IC, I am quite lovable once you get to know me. :naughty:

I will need all parties to agree to this before we can begin setting up the format.

Why, because he has better control of his gag reflex?

Yes.:-\

Well, after years of reading your posts I have learned how to not puke in my mouth.

LOL this is ridiculous.

Oh JS, so young and naive.

This is ridiculous, but this is pretty much what the argument over Bret v. Shawn has come to, so I am all for it. This will=ratings.

Well if it equals ratings.

Theddy, the modern day Vince McMahon, without the queer walk.

and unintentionally HILARIOUS.

I started this thread as a way of remember one of the great moments in the wrestling. Please show it the respect it deserves.

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without?

Vince is evil, don't ya know!

By respecting James' ability to swallow?

Vince is evil, but thats besides the point.

That is disrespectful.

:rofl: @ homosexual relations

lol

Was it career ending?

Thank you for proving your own stupidity again.

I'm actually on Team I Don't Give A Shit About This Feud Anymore.

It was originally thought to be, and thankfully, it wasn't.

Bollocks it was. That's the whole point. He faked a severe injury for a niggle of a knee injury. Surgery wasn't even required and he was back jumping and dancing on a table at Wrestlemania 4 weeks after "losing his smile".

FACT.

No dirtsheet writer said it. No washed up bitter wrestler. No genius promoter either. It was a legit doctor who was foolishly put on live TV to give an update about a severe knee injury. And he laughed that suggestion right out of town. The only two people who said it were the guy refusing to drop the world title and his stalker on this board.

FACT

I know you like a fact.

I was waiting for it. FACT
I knew it was coming. FACT
Thank you. FACT

It took you less than ten minutes to Start Giving A Shit About This Feud Again. FACT.

Fact: Bears eat Beets.

FUCKING AHEM!!!

I wasn't sure if you were posting regularly or not right now. Team HBK (aka half of The Kliq) looks like a go. I recommend you guys meet after school to discuss your project.

You're confusing me giving a fuck about who likes Bret and Shawn better with informing people they are wrong regarding the facts of the matter.

It's 2009. Montreal was 12 years ago. Bret Hart has retired, has a stroke, been divorced twice and is done with wrestling. Shawn Michaels reitred, got married again, had kids, came back from his retirement (from a back injury I thought was very legit for the record) and attitude wise has been nothing like his former self. Talent wise he has been everything of his former self and if it was possible, he got better!

The only people who haven't moved on from Montreal and this feud are Vince McMahon and the people who defend Bret or Shawn's stance like their lives depend on it. I've said my piece on the facts of what went down plenty of times. I don't give a shit about the bits in between really.

Personally I agree with Rob, however getting a rise from JS is just to fun.

Are you saying your purposefully bait me into these shouting matches to make me look like an ass?

:shifty:

100% agree :y:

Shouting matches, yes. The rest is just an amusing by product.

To who?

Nothing gay there.

Well only if you're looking for it.

I wish I was a mod here, delete this topic when it popped up

Bret earned his way to the top unlike the Million Dollar Boy, and Cody Rhodes.

Ditto. Mods in the wrestling forum are seen sparingly.

If you need to look to find it, take the blindfold off.

YOU SCREWED BRET! YOU SCREWED BRET!

This was a serious thread until people like James Steele came along.

:roll:

Just like my "Bret Hart's Best Match (in WCW)" thread that you ruined.

They aren't at the top. In fact, they get beaten up pretty regularly by Cena/Batista/Shane/Vince/whomever. They just happen to be in a faction with Orton because they are all multi-generation stars. I don't really see them shooting up to the main event any time soon.

Even so, that is how the business works. People like Orton get a foot in the door because their family has been in the business. Hey, remember the Rock? Think he would have lasted when the fans started booing him out of buildings if he wasn't connected to somebody? This isn't a new phenomenon. Don't blame Cody Rhodes or Ted DiBiase for it.

Hart paid his dues more than any other wrestler. No one can debate the schedule he had. Even when he wasn't champion. Down in south africa the promoter was going to cancel the WWF (just after WM12) tour if bret wasn't on it. Who was champion at that time?

Bret still gets a bigger pop than your John Cena and all these little bitches combined.

I dunno. I'm pretty sure James takes this seriously. :d

Alright, DiBiase and Rhodes are kinda paying their dues, and believe it or not, I'm slowly taking a liking to that DiBiase kid.....however, they are still apart of the main event scene, lackys or not, and I believe they should be mid-carding. Bret Hart wasn't the Iron Sheik's laggy in 1983 when he was 26, and taking beatings from Bob Backlund.

By the way: As soon as I took a liking to Chris Masters, they canned him. So I hope I don't jinks DiBiase. On another note: He needs a gimmick name in my view, or he'll forever be compared to his father and living in the shadow of his old man. Everytime I hear or see the name, I think of Ted DiBiase senior, and I doubt I'm the only one.

Hulk Hogan gets a bigger pop than anyone when he comes back but nobody actually buys the shows he main events on PPV or at the ticket office.

In short, pops don't mean as much as people assume.

Not in this day and age...McMahon does what he wants, and dosen't pay much attention anymore about what the fans think.

For my few cents...

Shawn is a cunt, and Bret is a bit on the whiney side.

But, I hate Shawn more. Largely because of the "lost my smile" attitude. He throws a little bitch fit when he has to lose, as opposed with Bret, who wanted to drop the title to Austin, not Shawn.

Fuck Shawn Michaels. Shut up Bret.

13 years ago. Get over it.

Bears... Beets... Battlestar Galactica.

Oh and for my two cents....

I really enjoy professional wrestling. Shawn Michaels is the best wrestler of all time and has been my favorite wrestler for about 15 years now. Bret Hart is a wrestler who was really good back in the day but not on HBK level then just kinda drifted out of the limelight. Therefore, Shawn Michaels is the man and is amazingly awesome and Bret Hart is just some guy who was very good at the form of entertainment that I enjoy. Not much more to me.

On a side note though, I never thought about this before...

Do you think the Montreal incident would still be talked about as much today or have been as big of an issue if Bret was not nearly as good of a wrestler as he was? As in... do you think the argument of who was a better wrestler really has THAT much of an effect on the whole right or wrong on both sides of the situation?

Your thoughts, TPWW.

Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?

I am watching you 'The MAC'.

So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.

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Bret was more bland and OMG HE WORKED THE LEGS! THE BRILLIANT MAN WORKED THE LEGS FOR HIS FINISHING SUBMISSION HOLD WHICH INVOLVED THE LEGS!

Please, I am begging you to actually present facts instead of opinions. Rob presented FACTs, so why can't you Marky Mark?

It saddens me to say that Team Hitman has forfeited the first ever TPWW Dozens due to their lack of ability to put forth a cohesive team. Therefore, your winner, and the better wrestler...THE HEARTBREAK KID SHAWN MICAELS!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

You're decision is more flawed than James Steeles logic. FLAWED

CM Punk is better than the pair of them anyway.

Take it up with the Team Hitman no-shows.

Do you smoke crack?

I'm gonna have some victory pizza left over from last night.

FourFifty makes me wish Hitler had succeeded.

But seriously, this argument will never end. Tpww.net would be better off if we created 3 social groups with strict mods. A Team Hart group, a Team Kliq group, and some sort of battle ground where Team Kliq and Team Hart can argue without looking at 4 threads.

That's is! You are SO out of my sig!:mad:

:yes:

So Michaels was better in basically every meaningful way to pro wrestling in the mainstream, keeping in mind the mainstream remembers Hogan, Rock and Austin and not Storm, Haas, and Noble.

Also, Michaels doesn't need the announce table or ring steps to make a memorable moment. I would go as far as to say that the vast majority of his best spots don't use props. Michaels can use them, but he's good with props and without them.

He also does a damn good job of selling an injury, and his kip ups don't take away from that.

I don't give a flying fuck if you like Michaels, prefer Hart, or whatever, but when you step into the realm of claiming some sort of difference between Michaels and Hart being that Hart doesn't need props....Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

(Note, that doesn't make him any nicer a guy, or TPWW's Kliq any less retarded, but let's be realistic)

Trying to take anything away from Michaels in ring ability is just plain retareded.

Do you think we're confusing the Kliq?

Very much so.

STRAWMAN!!!!!!!!


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I heard that Shawn Michaels refused to do a job to Santino Marella. Is this true?

You need to be someone a little more popular than Santino to hold a W over HBK.

Like... Santina

Look, the point is Bret had had a more realistic style and an in ring psychology that madew him the BEST storyteller (and that is according to Vince who knows a little more about wrestling than you ..go on- argue that).

I never said michaels isnt great in the ring- he is but his immaturity and basic assholishness is hard to look over. Bret was the bigger man and put Shawn over clean after giving shawn an hour long match.

Viewers left in droves to wcw when HBK was champion. Shawn wanted to kill the careers of the rock and Austin. Lets not forget that.

...here's your belt..uh I'm gonna go home now :'(

You have some nerve.

I love how Vince is a great and knowledgeable source when he says something you agree with. But when it comes to every other element....You dismiss him.

You merely contrasted what was good about Hart with Michaels in a way that sets up a direct correlation.

You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?

Yes, we know you'll believe anything that will make your own personal devil look bad.

Did you know that Michaels and Nash used to roast live kittens over campfired? They didn't even eat them, they were just doing it to get out of putting Bastion Booger over.

Personally I'm not sure if he got beat up or not in a bar, but the whole thing about them being "Marines" when nobody had a clue who they were or what they did is ludicrous

Neither side of this argument is ever going to let reality intrude on their fantasy.

Bret Hart = Fucking awesome legendary wrestler

Shawn Michaels - Fucking awesome legendary wrestler.

Yep, I see the arguement here.