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Johnny Vegas 05-02-2010 09:37 PM
Lol have you seen any of Punk's stuff before he joined the WWE? Just check him out on YouTube. The guy was a BEAST when it came to being the "dickhead/i'm better than you" dude.

Johnny McNasty 05-02-2010 09:57 PM
No I haven't, so I can't comment. All I want from Punk is for him to start targeting someone's vices again like he did against Hardy. As Punk really was standing out then, and it didn't hurt that they weere feuding over the title.

Xero 05-02-2010 10:01 PM
Well, he is feuding with Rey, and considering what's happened to some of his friends (Eddie) I don't think Rey would be cool with being called a drug user or whatever they'd set it up as. And really, nothing about Rey's character would say that, anyway.

And Punk's awesome on the mic no matter how you look at it, though. And I still put him miles above Anderson. Not even in the same sport, let alone league.

Johnny McNasty 05-02-2010 10:13 PM
Yeah I'm in agreement with you completely. All I'm saying is when comparing the two right now based on their recent feuds and promos, Anderson is doing a better job imo. I'm hoping Anderson can keep healthy, and keep up this intense tempo he's got going into this feud with Pope. He will be someone to watch no doubt.

Yeah it's a shame that Rey is so big with the latin community and the little kiddies, as the WWE has reason to protect his name. As I would've wanted Punk to give Rey no slack in attacking him on his recent wellness policy violation. He could have gotten real sinister and dragged up Eddies name and thrown it in Rey's face.

Xero 05-02-2010 10:21 PM
Yeah, no. They should NEVER use Eddie's name, especially in that manner. I don't think WWE would do it, and I think Punk would be against it.

That's not heat, that's just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.

KIRA 05-02-2010 10:23 PM
Again what Anderson is doing isn't difficult hes doing what villains do being dastardly,cocky and underhanded and he'll tell you so. Punk on the other hand is truly a magnificent bastard of a heel because he sees himself as the good guy and those really are the worst types of villains.

Stickman 05-02-2010 10:25 PM
I can't stand him trying to act cool like a highschool kid and the whole saying his name thing. He's become a channel changer for me because he's so boring.

Johnny McNasty 05-02-2010 10:33 PM
Not like they haven't already dragged Eddies name through some mud before. I wouldn't see it as being an asshole, but more of Punk's preaching he does. Asking Mysterio how he thinks all these kids who adore him, how all of his latino fan that idolize him, how his best friend in the world "God bless his soul" would feel about his drug abuse? That wouldn't bother me, as its something I could see Punk saying.

I would love if WWE just used Punk as a viscous straight edge pit bull, and just let him attack anyone who is stupid enough to be caught for something in the wellness policy. Shit they did it with Jeff Hardy, so why not everyone else? Not going to happen I know, but would be cool.

Johnny McNasty 05-02-2010 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 3051883)
Again what Anderson is doing isn't difficult hes doing what villains do being dastardly,cocky and underhanded and he'll tell you so. Punk on the other hand is truly a magnificent bastard of a heel because he sees himself as the good guy and those really are the worst types of villains.
Plus he obnoxious, brutal, disrespectful, and greedy. Yeah those are things you expect from any heel. I just think its the way he has put it all together that makes him shine.

St. Jimmy 05-02-2010 10:38 PM
Stop talking.

Xero 05-02-2010 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 3051893)
Not like they haven't already dragged Eddies name through some mud before. I wouldn't see it as being an asshole, but more of Punk's preaching he does. Asking Mysterio how he thinks all these kids who adore him, how all of his latino fan that idolize him, how his best friend in the world "God bless his soul" would feel about his drug abuse? That wouldn't bother me, as its something I could see Punk saying.

I would love if WWE just used Punk as a viscous straight edge pit bull, and just let him attack anyone who is stupid enough to be caught for something in the wellness policy. Shit they did it with Jeff Hardy, so why not everyone else? Not going to happen I know, but would be cool.
Do you realize that WWE is a public company and this would make them look like fools and reflect badly on the company as a whole?

owenbrown 05-02-2010 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Perry Saturn (Post 3051129)
Wait are you talking about his tna gimmick which is the exact same as his wwe except saying "Mr. Anderson" instead of "Mr.Kennedy"?
*DING DING DING DING* WE HAVE A WINNER!

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 3051648)
also this...

Johnny McNasty 05-02-2010 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3051909)
Do you realize that WWE is a public company and this would make them look like fools and reflect badly on the company as a whole?
Yeah that why I basically said that a couple posts above. I was just doing a little fantasy booking there. Going to catch up on some House so I'm taking a break, but I will check in later tonight.

Johnny Vegas 05-02-2010 10:57 PM
I will give J-Mac credit for backing Kennedy. He is pretty much the best heel they have and his program with Angle is not bad at all. I just know that Punk can pretty much go at ANYBODY on the roster at the WWE and people will pay attention. I don't know if the same can be said for Mr. Anderson, but i guess we'll see.

tjmidnight420 05-02-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3051879)
Yeah, no. They should NEVER use Eddie's name, especially in that manner. I don't think WWE would do it, and I think Punk would be against it.

That's not heat, that's just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.
This.

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Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 3051914)
I'm taking a break, but I will check in later tonight.
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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 3051901)
Stop talking.
As St. James here said, just stop talking. Check back in the morning.

Pointmocker 05-02-2010 11:28 PM
The only thing that bugs me about him is his theme music...that's just me.

Johnny McNasty 05-03-2010 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 3051921)
I will give J-Mac credit for backing Kennedy. He is pretty much the best heel they have and his program with Angle is not bad at all. I just know that Punk can pretty much go at ANYBODY on the roster at the WWE and people will pay attention. I don't know if the same can be said for Mr. Anderson, but i guess we'll see.
Yeah I completely agree with you on Punk. He really has built himself up nicely ever since he cashed in his money in the bank title shot last year. WWE gave him a chance, and he capitalized on it in a big way. Now he is one of the top guys in the #1 wrestling promotion in the world. His Straight edge savior act is refreshing, and is perfect fit for the WWE's PG era.

Anderson is just now starting to come into his own I think. He has been out of the limelight for a bit,(which I think has been good for him) and now he is getting another shot. Well just have to wait and see how he handles himself with Pope, and whoever else he works with after that. I'm just incredibly high on the guy right now after watching his and Angle's cage match again.

Kane Knight 05-03-2010 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 3051179)
Does he still say his name twice?
Of course! That's all he can do!

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 3052023)
I'm just incredibly high on the guy right now after watching his and Angle's cage match again.
I just watched that again as well, and I honestly felt like it was better when I watched it live. Being able to rewind kinda exposed the flaws in the match for me. For example: Kurt's Suplex off the ropes looked botched, and rather painful for Anderson. He was also slightly to the left on the moonsault, and it looked like the only connection was his head hitting Anderson's head.

Okay, so these are botches on Kurt's part, but really what moves did Anderson actually do? Two mic checks and the rolling fireman thing (I've never known what he calls this), right?

Schlomey 05-03-2010 01:23 AM
1. His character is exactly the same.

2. I have given him the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions only to be let down.

3. He was my favorite guy back in 07 when he won MITB and was on fire but due to his luck he forced me to stop caring about him at all.

4. TNA has given him a fresh start...Not character wise...But in a more personal way. The writers should actually get an award for not fucking him up so far. His Angle feud was easily the highlight of his career in my eyes.

5. I am still waiting on him to disappoint me again...But I am loving every minute up until then..

Xero 05-03-2010 01:28 AM
Jesus Christ, Kennedy has been around for 4 years? Fucking hell I feel old.

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3052060)
Jesus Christ, Kennedy has been around for 4 years? Fucking hell I feel old.
And he still repeats his name... it's just a different name he's repeating. I honestly felt Kennedy had a better ring to it, so they should've retooled the gimmick a bit more...

KIRA 05-03-2010 02:57 AM
Hes the same guy plus one(as far as I can tell) new catchphrase that being "thank god I'm an asshole"

Johnny McNasty 05-03-2010 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tjmidnight420 (Post 3052054)
I just watched that again as well, and I honestly felt like it was better when I watched it live. Being able to rewind kinda exposed the flaws in the match for me. For example: Kurt's Suplex off the ropes looked botched, and rather painful for Anderson. He was also slightly to the left on the moonsault, and it looked like the only connection was his head hitting Anderson's head.

Okay, so these are botches on Kurt's part, but really what moves did Anderson actually do? Two mic checks and the rolling fireman thing (I've never known what he calls this), right?
Yeah that german was nasty. Don't think it hurt the match any though. How many times have we seen Angle tease the german suplex off the ropes or something similar like that? So when he does actually hit it you expect something dangerous.

That moonsault was fucking awesome. I think the fact that he went a little to the left on it made it even more insane. As it looked like Kurt was trying to murder Mr. Anderson. Didn't think it looked like a headbutt to me, more like Angle's whole chest engulfed Anderson's face.

Your last shot there isn't serious right? Having a good wrestling match is more than what moves you do. Anderson and Kurt told a story in that cage, that ended their bloody rivalry on an absolute high note.

Johnny McNasty 05-03-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 3052112)
Hes the same guy plus one(as far as I can tell) new catchphrase that being "thank god I'm an asshole"
...........Asshole!

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 3052358)
Your last shot there isn't serious right? Having a good wrestling match is more than what moves you do. Anderson and Kurt told a story in that cage, that ended their bloody rivalry on an absolute high note.

I liked the match and all, don't get me wrong, but Anderson kept flipping back and forth from "I wanna kill Kurt Angle" to "I'm scared shitless."

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-03-2010 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny McNasty (Post 3051872)
Yeah I'm in agreement with you completely. All I'm saying is when comparing the two right now based on their recent feuds and promos, Anderson is doing a better job imo. I'm hoping Anderson can keep healthy, and keep up this intense tempo he's got going into this feud with Pope. He will be someone to watch no doubt.

Yeah it's a shame that Rey is so big with the latin community and the little kiddies, as the WWE has reason to protect his name. As I would've wanted Punk to give Rey no slack in attacking him on his recent wellness policy violation. He could have gotten real sinister and dragged up Eddies name and thrown it in Rey's face.
lol what are you even talking about?

Kane Knight 05-03-2010 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tjmidnight420 (Post 3052066)
And he still repeats his name... it's just a different name he's repeating. I honestly felt Kennedy had a better ring to it, so they should've retooled the gimmick a bit more...
I'm surprised in an industry that deals with the same shit repeated over decades, fans who will pop for almost anyone with a catchphrase, this is even an issue.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-03-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tjmidnight420 (Post 3052054)
I just watched that again as well, and I honestly felt like it was better when I watched it live. Being able to rewind kinda exposed the flaws in the match for me. For example: Kurt's Suplex off the ropes looked botched, and rather painful for Anderson. He was also slightly to the left on the moonsault, and it looked like the only connection was his head hitting Anderson's head.

Okay, so these are botches on Kurt's part, but really what moves did Anderson actually do? Two mic checks and the rolling fireman thing (I've never known what he calls this), right?
Sorry but this is the gayest post ever. This is why wrestlers don't like "smart" fans.

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 3052441)
I'm surprised in an industry that deals with the same shit repeated over decades, fans who will pop for almost anyone with a catchphrase, this is even an issue.
I'm not really that big on catchphrases. He could've kept the whole gimmick and just dropped the "..... ANDERSON!" part off the end and I'd be fine with it.

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 3052445)
Sorry but this is the gayest post ever. This is why wrestlers don't like "smart" fans.
I'm sorry it didn't please you, fella. Cause, ya know, that's exactly why I'm here. :shifty:

Seriously though, Kurt's one of my favorite wrestlers. I'm not knocking his ability in the slightest, and it was still a great match. Would it have been so good if it were anybody but Angle? Probably not.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-03-2010 12:58 PM
ugh

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-03-2010 12:59 PM
Is it impossible for you to just enjoy a match?

Johnny McNasty 05-03-2010 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 3052438)
lol what are you even talking about?
Saying that Anderson has out shined Punk when comparing each others most recent feuds.

Yeah I guess I see what you mean, but I felt like Anderson stayed in the "scared shitless" and "I got to do something to get out of this cage" mind set through out the match. While Angle was in it to maul Anderson, and not just for the W.

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 3052453)
Is it impossible for you to just enjoy a match?
I just said I did enjoy the match. Again, my bad I'm not saying exactly what you want to hear.

Ol Dirty Dastard 05-03-2010 01:06 PM
I haven't even seen the match, it's not the issue. There's tons of little botches in all of our favourite matches, wrestling isn't exactly the easiest thing to do in the world. If you've seen enough matches you can pick out anything that goes slightly wrong or at least what you think has gone wrong. Sometimes you just need to realize it doesn't really detract from the match at all... and yes, the fact that he is Kurt Angle probably made it a great match... because he's Kurt Angle.


Also, McNasty, is it the ludicrous heel heat that Punk's been getting that suggests he's being outshined by that dickhead Kennedy?

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 3052461)
There's tons of little botches in all of our favourite matches, wrestling isn't exactly the easiest thing to do in the world. If you've seen enough matches you can pick out anything that goes slightly wrong or at least what you think has gone wrong. Sometimes you just need to realize it doesn't really detract from the match at all... and yes, the fact that he is Kurt Angle probably made it a great match... because he's Kurt Angle.
I agree with you entirely, Dale.

tjmidnight420 05-03-2010 01:12 PM
For the benefit of Dale, as well as anybody else that hasn't seen this yet.

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Johnny McNasty 05-03-2010 01:12 PM
Yeah but this feud with Mysterio has been lackluster, and their matches together were not that good(at least not as good as one would think they be). Why do I feel like I'm repeating myself now.

kareru 05-03-2010 01:15 PM
did anybody elses butthole twitch when kurt did his moonsault?

the camera they used it looked like he missed it and was going to land on the ropes


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