Oh, and it's not that "Cena can't keep up with The Rock". Rock simply shouldn't be allowed to be burying the current top guy.

It's a storyline, the things Cena is saying he most likely doesn't believe, same goes for the Rock. If they did believe it, or if Cena ACTUALLY believed what he was saying he surely would have been FAR more convincing than he was lastnite.

I don't think Rock is burying Cena or trying to bury him, the point of the Rock being involved is to add main stream interest to Miz vs Cena. Cena was given the ball last nite to knock it out of the park and I mean ACTUALLY knock it out of the park, and show some seriousness and passion, and all we got was the same cutesy bullshit.

Say what one likes about the Rock's promo from the week before, but at least he showed some fire and some anger and made it appear like he took the whole situation seriously. Then you have Cena, who rap or no rap, was the same guy with the purple shirt, saying cutesy stupid fucking things when he's trying to go word for word with the Rock. It's time for him to step up his game because the Rock is NOT burying him, but giving him ample opportunity to bring his A game.

Then you have the Miz who is actually stepping up his game. He's not as good on the mic as Cena as far as history would suggest and the fact that Cena is still Cena. But yet he's cutting the better promos and he's the only one adding proper hype to their match, because as much as a "company" man Cena is, the way he goes out there and refuses to be serious and even attempt to add any form of intensity to a Wrestlemania Main event, one would think, he plainly didn't give a fuck.

Why would he risk his body and health in the wrestling business when he could easily make more money in Hollywood?

It might not be the popular decision but Dwayne Johnson's career choice is fair.

For any wrestling fan to bash the rock for going hollywood would be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I honestly don't even think it's up for debate.

Now I don't know this for sure, but, from what we hear, the WWE is pretty tight on what the guys say in their promos. You think they said "Go out there, show some intensity and sell this issue with The Rock!" and he somehow forgot between leaving gorilla and getting to the ring?

I'd bet that Cena (the guy, not the character) would just love to go out there and tear it up but he has to stick to what the writers ask of him. Sadly for us (and maybe even for him) they want him to play to the kids. Cue "cutesy bullshit".

I don't blame The Rock for moving on. he accomplished his goals and then some in WWE...he moved on to new goals...no problem with that.

I read somewhere that for Rocky's return promo he didn't have a word for word script like the rest of the wrestlers have to work off these days

cena is a top draw....with the women and children, the rock is relevant on any gender/age. its funny..alot of people i know do not know who cena is..yet everytime u mention the rock, they either do the peoples eyebrow, or drop one of his quotes. the fact that with this rock thing, it seems to me like there are alot more cena haters now. im not saying band wagon, im saying he gets alot more heat from the crowds now. cenas first rap against the rock was good..no it was great. but without a question in my mind the rock is on top so far. i cant wait for cena to pull his "via satellite" thing and then you just hear the rocks music and cena shits himself.

LOL @ people treating a storyline like it's real life.

Kayfabe is not dead, people.

Of course, that's the retarded version of things.

The non-mentally-handicapped version involves the fact that he is claiming loyalty to the base. You cannot claim that he moved on to a better career and still try and defend his loyalty to the business.

You know, which you did, retard.

In short: stop sucking the Rock's dick.

Or don't. But don't pretend you're not being a rabid fanboy about it.

It's still real to me, something something something.

I don't think anyone really has a problem with Rock leaving the WWE. He did accomplish a lot of things and there were opportunities for him in Hollywood, and now he's a big action star (sort of).

I think what Cena and others (kayfabe or not) have had a problem with is his attitude toward the WWE and its fans after leaving the WWE. In several interviews he said that he's put the WWE behind him and doesn't want to be associated with their product anymore. He claimed that he would never return to WWE television. He said he's moved on from the WWE and that it isn't a part of his life anymore.

That's is somewhat disrespectful to his fans. Yes, I completely understand that he needs to maintain a certain image in Hollywood in order to get certain roles, but what he's doing is putting wrestling fans below him. "I've moved on and I'm better than you" is basically what his attitude said. Even when his father was being inducted to the HOF, Rock refused to make any kind of appearance at WrestleMania a few days later, even though it would've meant the world to the fans of the WWE.

Now, he comes back and pretends like he was never gone; pretends like he never said any of the things he said, and makes empty promises like "The Rock will never leave." Except we still haven't seen him on Monday Night RAW since that promo (except for his shitty satellite promo). Cena has him on one level: Cena is there every Monday night, he comes back from serious injuries earlier than he medically should in order to entertain the fans, and while he may not pull in the ratings or the fanbase that Rock/Austin did, he IS the WWE and has been for years, and he takes great pride in being "the guy." If people really think he couldn't leave the WWE for Hollywood then they should get their brains checked, because there's definitely a spot out there for him if he were to make that decision (and not just the shitty WWE branded films either). The difference is that Rock was THE guy in the WWE and he decided to walk away (Austin only walked because of his neck). Cena is THE guy and will probably stay around until he can't wrestle anymore.

they need to have Cena actually say shit like "I'm here every Monday Night and I come back early from injuries" or Cena plain needs to say it, and stop spinning nursery rhymes, cuz it completely underminds the angle.

It's a storyline and an entertaining one at that. Who gives a shit who is "winning?" The Rock has always been amazing on the mic...no one will argue that. However, this is also the best we have seen from Cena in a long time. It gets us out of the cookie cutter promos and generic Raw endings that everyone has been bitching about for years. So, stop arguing how much better The Rock is (because he is not sticking around) and just enjoy it while it lasts.

I'm not entertained by crappy phoned in John Cena Promos like the one from lastnite.

The storyline in general is entertaining, not necessarily each promo. The promo last night needed a little bit of work, but the "I bring it via satellite" shirt was awesome.

It got a chuckle out of me, but it didn't make up for the rest of his crap.

Miz was awesome on the mic last night. the whole deal. Definitely stepping his game up. Made Cena's promo look weak in comparison

But that doesn't fit the illusion I want to believe, so I will ignore it and protest loudly.

The Rock has more passion for the business than John Cena! The Rock loves the fans more than Cena! The Rock's Shit Don't Stink!

Nah, I kid. It's fun mocking the Lara Emilies, but I don't really care about who is the better man or whatever. This feud has been entertaining. The Rock has mostly been entertaining, save being annoying as fuck when he keeps squeaking "You can't see me!" Seriously, dude, I'd rather listen to Cena say that on a loop than hear you say it one more time....

Cena's been mostly entertaining, and the whole fight about who's the
"People's Champ" plays well with the cheap seats.

Seems win-win to me.

But yeah, the Rock distanced himself from wrestling. Now he's back and trying to play it up like he's a complete loyalist. Of course, he could wipe his ass on each and every Attitude Era fan's face, and 99/100 would mark out.

Plus, of course, Cena is worse than Hitler, Satan, and Droford all wrapped into one.

I am glad that I'm not the only one taken in by The Rock. Thank you Mr Knight, you are a scholar and a gentleman.

I'm not saying anyone has a word for word script but do you think Vince lets them go live on Raw without an outline of what's gonna be said?

A wrestling character not saying their actual true feelings but also being very entertaining... GASP HORROR :O

That doesn't explain Cena's shit awful delivery lastnight. He's gotta get rid of his stupid smarmy fucking smirk and stop trying his best to be so cool and funny. When he tries so hard, he is neither cool or funny.

He is really good when he wants to be, so I don't understand how he just stinks the joint out the way he does sometimes.

what are you talking about, KK, Rock's YOU CAN'T SHEE MEE is the best thing ever

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It's funny that The Rock is making a movie as we speak, yet he says he's never leaving the people again. He hasn't been on raw live since his one off return.

He claimed he was not returning to promote his movie, yet instead he came out and chatted a load of crap about his facebook page. Made some comments about Cena and then left. I also don't get the *I bring it* slogan that The rock is wearing I mean what does he bring?. Besides selling out..

The fans who cheer him now seem to forget he sold them out for Hollywood.
And yet he returns and people forget.

I do blame The Rock, He has said he will never wrestle again, yet
he's willing to come back to do some sort of big money making deal.

What's the matter Rock, not making enough in Hollywood?.

Well everybody is entitled to their opinion. This is what I see.

Rock comes back, one of the biggest moments ever. He quickly turned to the asshole Rock we all know and love, and slammed WWE's biggest babyface. Not saying Rock is a heel, but I don't think they are telling him not to be. Cena is the babyface, Rock is an outside force that doesn't need a denomination to get over against Cena.

This could turn Cena heel, but I doubt thats the route they go with it. WWE is smart at the moment, this is all going to be for The Miz, lets just wait and see.

As far as does Cena have the right to cut like he does on the Rock? Well it's no more tasteless than the childish names The Rock is using. To me, The Rock is being a big bully type and Cena is honest and just telling the truth. Maybe because a lot of you hate Cena so much you are naturally going to side with the Rock. However I love the fact that Cena is "whinning" in this program because he is just reacting to a call out. The Rock is going to make John Cena better than ever, especially if he trys to go heel during this program. The question is, is that smart for Wrestlemania? Is it smart to book Rock as a heel? No. Is it smart to turn John Cena because of The Rock? No. It's gotta be up the WWE's sleeve for the Miz to get the major rub from this.

Cena will turn heel when he beats the Undertaker next year at Wrestlemania, not with the Rock.

BTW WWE should get Charlie Sheen to be in the Miz's corner at Wrestlemania, that would be fucking gold.

I noticed the "Hollywood connection" in this 3 way. Miz has his little thing with TMZ etc, the LA people like Cena (he made a song with Murs), and of course The Rock

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Apart from Lara blabbing about god knows what and acting like a n00b, I don't think people care about the angle Cena takes to rip on the rock. It's fine. It's a matter of how he delivers, and other than one half decent rap, he hasn't delivered at all. He did the rap 2 weeks ago and everyone was like OMFG OLD CENA IS BACK, then the next week he came out and totally bombed when he cut that promo on the Miz, then there was this week, where he just totally sucked.

He is not holding up his end of the bargain, and that is my beef. Rock can hold up his end of the bargain without showing up and all Cena is doing is showing up, and not much more.

For the record Cena did an interview 3 years ago where he basically questioned Rock's love for the business, so it started outside of the "universe"

This is a feud scripted in reality so to speak. That being said do I belive that Cean and Rock are saying their entire true feelings that is is some giant shoot, course not, I'm not an idiot, but given that this whole promo series is based off events that happened in the real world and not in the WWE Universe, when people say you know Cena has a point, they aren't really reacting to a storyline, because all of Cena's promos are based on Rock leaving WWE for Hollywood and the satellite thing (which hell The Rock probably does his stuff via satellite because WWE asked him to do so in order to enhance John Cena's "point")

XL and Kane are on the money, and Dale makes some good points.

Personally, I've not particularly liked the Rock. Either now, or in the Attitude era. The same 14 catchphrases repeated over and over every week does not a good promo make, no matter how much energy you use to say it or how pretty your smile is. Anyone who says Rock's 10 minute long satellite promo (the week after Cena's rap) was "entertaining" can also tell you if the Rock's eating enough pineapple, if you catch my drift.

As Dale's beef with Cena is him not delivering on his end of the promo bargain (fair assessment, mind you), my beef with Rock -- as has been mentioned -- is that he has done his best to bury the industry in the years he was gone and now shows up acting like we should worship him for taking time out of his busy schedule just for us, and all the while saying "It wasn't me" like he forgot he gave us a key and we caught him in the shower with the neighbor chick.

yeah i kind of like this fued, an both rock an cena not giving miz any respect. i think it is 100% work it may set up a big cena heel turn.

Only in this case, I don't think it's completely kayfabe. Time will tell.

As far as The Rock vs. Cena promo's go, I'm a little surprised that some people think that The Rock is "owning" Cena. Granted - The Rock is getting in some good shots but I actually think that Cena is getting the better of The Rock....and trust me, I am much more of a Rocky fan than I am of Cena (although I like and respect Cena as well). I have absolutely no reason to have a bias.

There is no 'demand' for retired wrestlers to continuously show up....none at all. However - why not make 1-2 appearances per year?...especially if you truly DO love the wrestling world, the people, and the fans (as he claims). Are the demands of a Hollywood schedule really that intense?

I wonder what The Rock's 'Wrestlemania payoff' will be for being the Guest Host. Of course - there is absolutely nothing wrong with receiving a HUGE payoff for being the special guest host at Wrestlemania (heck - if anyone deserves a huge payoff, it's The Rock)......but let's not kid ourselves. A valid argument CAN be made that The Rock came back for the HUGE payoff....and NOT for the fans. I'm not saying that this is the case...but I AM saying that a valid case can be made.

To The Rock's credit, he was actually making sporadic appearances between 2003 and 2004. However - like you said, he distanced himself at a time when the product was sub-par (i.e. post mid 2004).

If The Rock proved that he could make sporadic appearances with a full Hollywood schedule (03' and 04'), and yet COMPLETELY distanced himself when the product was becoming sub-par, then what does that say about The Rock?

If someone truly loves the WWE, then shouldn't one CONTINUE to make sporadic appearances when times are tough?....you know, to help keep ratings afloat? Again - absolutely no obligation on The Rock's part....but where is this "love for the business" that he speaks of?....especially if he proved in 03' and 04' that he CAN make multiple apperances per year despite a full Hollywood schedule?

Look at Shawn Michaels and Undertaker back in the mid 90's.....when WCW was crushing the WWE. HBK and Taker could have left, but they stuck around...and HELPED the WWE during a time of need. To me - THAT shows true love. Bret Hart - same thing. Bret would've stayed 100% loyal to the WWE through thick and thin (and he did until Vince himself suggested that he leave).

Conclusion - I don't "blame" The Rock one bit. However - I think his 'love for the business', relative to some others that have claimed 'love for the business', is exaagerated....and even a slap in the face to those that truly do love the business and have a sense of loyalty.

I agree that Cena is nothing close to what The Rock was (although in a PG era, this would've been tough for ANYONE....and whether you like or dislike Cena, we all know how 'over' he was between 03' and 05' with his rap gimmick....which was pre-PG era).

However - this doesn't take away from the validity of Cena's comments in my opinion.

-The Rock has proven that he CAN make multiple appearances in the WWE per year with a full Hollywood schedule (as The Rock proved in 03' and 04').

-The Rock doesn't owe the WWE anything. He was successful, gave the fans everything, and moved on.

However - I have to agree with Cena on this....and Jericho for those that are keeping score at home. Why didn't The Rock make more appearances between 05' and 10'? Again - no obligation, but one can definitely argue that if you truly do love something....and you were the #1 star in said organization, then you wouldn't completely abandon said organization when times are tough....as The Rock seemingly did. (edit - Ric Flair feels the same way if I understand correctly.....so it's not just Cena making these observations).

Am I the only one who feels that WWE is kinda "dropping the ball" regarding how they are running this Rock/Cena thing?

I don't know...one week The Rock cuts a promo on Cena on RAW, and then John tweets about it...

...then, the following week, Cena cuts a promo on Rock, and HE tweets about it...

...and so on and so forth...

...I just think they're wasting time doing dumb things, when they could go a whole 'nother way...and I don't mean have a MATCH, but they could do other things...