Maybe just have the normal audience be the judges this time if we can't get 10 people to judge?

Also do we have 10 people interested currently? If so maybe now pick teams?

I know there is a question about workload and how many commited people could be drummed up, but personally, I would LOVE to see this as 3 shows. The Armchair Warfare threads were the best in this forum in a long time, really cool. I just think people got bored reading 5 different shows or whatever.

I think 3 shows would be perfect as we would get to see lesser used stars elevated with new gimmicks (rather than current stars dominating as could happen with 2 shows) and we would also get lots of variation on favorites etc...harking back to the days of WWE, WCW, ECW.

You could even start the 3 shows as similar to those 3 brands and work from there. Would give the whole thing a competitive edge and allow a lot of variation in writing, approach and talent used.

Right. People like you are the ones I was hoping would prefer this structure. The mind behind Lou P. Daight in the Armchair Universe? Sounds awesome to me.

Could you possibly judge, like, once every other week or so?

So who's going to write and who's going to judge?

Well I certainly want to write it.

I like the idea of the audience being the judges. Honestly, the audience can just read WHATEVER parts of either show that they want, and just vote/tell us about what they watched and what they didn't. It may not seem "fair", but it'd be a more accurate depiction of "ratings". That way, judges wouldn't have to feel bad if they wanted to skip parts of a show. Just vote on what you saw...

...I dunno, that sounds convoluted the more I think about it, but it could work. The reason I liked having designated judges was because the public polls were getting literally ZERO votes towards the end of the last season. I'd hate to have no feedback whatsoever.

I like where your head's at, but I think two is good for now since we're just kicking the tires on this thing to see if it'll drive or not. If all goes well, maybe a third team could be added next "season", or however we'd do it this time.

I think we all need to slow down a little.

Let's get some structure to it first off. Decide how many shows, how many people per team, etc before we start breaking off into teams.

BizarroKing definitely deserves a spot. He's been a supporter since day one. I wish I could find that Paul Heyman guy and Flash Funk as well.

Also, to combat having 2 "Super Shows" full of guys that are already Main Eventing howabaout...

We break the list of available wrestlers into Main Eventers, Upper Midcarders, Midcarders, Jobbers etc.

Then each show gets to pick 5 guys from each category.

:y:

That's a pretty good idea.

It should hopefully "force" teams to try to elevate talent.

With 2 teams and "Main Event" calibre stars from WWE and TNA available you could easily find both shows with up to 10 "Main Event" guys.

Yeah. It would seem kinda weird though if we put a cap on it and somebody like Del Rio went undrafted and Zack Ryder is tearing through the Hipster division.

Or maybe slightly more in the lower categories, since most promotions have a bigger midcard than main event scene. Something like:

4 main eventers
8 upper-midcarders
12 midcarders
6 lower midcard/"enhancement" workers

30 guys for a 5-man team. Obviously, those numbers were just sort of arbitrarily determined, but something along those lines might work.

Maybe 25 for each team? Throw in some diva picks just as a bonus if by some off chance someone wants to use them.

I do like the idea of a roster bigger than 20 for just two teams.

I actually like 30 better than 20. I remember when I had 20 on my roster for Hard Knocks, there only seemed to be two guys that I could use to do continual jobs. Sorry about that, Paul Burchill and Kofi Kingston. More guys will leave you room to bury guys, which actually is a bigger benefit than some may realize.

Those numbers sound about right. You really wouldn't need more than 4 main eventers in a two hour show, right? A good amount of upper mids that can break through at any moment, and a whole universe to construct on your own in the midcard. :y:

This is a fantastic point. And exemplifies why there needs to be further discussion on structure before we jump to picking teams.

Would it follow any sort of similar calendar structure to WWE? i.e. ppv's such as the rumble and elimination chamber where the teams would have to build towards having those sorts of matches. Or would it be something new entirely?

I think if it were something new, it would maybe still be a good idea to decide between the teams on dates for special PPV's similar to those I mentioned. It would probably help build a bit of excitement for the readers knowing that a royal rumble type show is coming up and for them to see who's going to win "the big one".

We COULD do just the WWE roster...but I kinda like having TNA involved. If we did just WWE, the main eventers would all be drafted, and we'd basically have our own Raw and Smackdown. We could really even name the shows as such.

Although writing a rumble would be pretty difficult between the two teams I would imagine.

I'd say that would be up to the teams to structure their events, but I agree that it would be a good idea to have shows like that. They're a gamble though, because if they don't resonate and you've already committed to a concept, you have to stick it all the way out.

I may not be in any position to give advice, but I'd think that the best way to go about something like that is to book the ending to your gimmick match FIRST, and if it feels awesome, go ahead and write the road to it backwards.

Ah, my mind's wandering again. I really want this to stick this time.

The game is far more dynamic/interesting with TNA involved. Angles with former WWE guys "coming back" and "dream matches", etc.

We throwing ROH in this too? or Just WWE and <strike>TNA</strike> ImpactWrestling?

I'd say both shows do four 2 hour TV shows leading to a 3 hour PPV, rinse and repeat. What you do as far as concept for PPVs is up to the team.

Maybe just a certain number of "outside talent" permitted per team? And the teams could decide how to bring them onto the shows? Hype promos, randomly showing up etc

I think that the 'average' judge may not be familiar with the abilities of a lot of ROH guys, so it might be harder for them to imagine how things would be going down as they're written. It'd be a disadvantage to the writers, I think. If enough people really wanted ROH though, it might be OK. What does anybody else think?

Well, I'm actually fine if we skip them I'm just asking if we wanted to include them.

My sentiments echo yours on this matter.

How would we pick teams?

Two captains who select members? Randomly drawn?

I don't think it should be random. Either a draft with captains choosing, cause let's face it, drafts are pretty fun. Or just have each team comprise a list of who would be their top 4 picks for main event wrestlers, top 8 for mid card etc and work it out from there?

That randomizer was my best friend the first time around.

I think he was talking about booking teams.

Oh, right yeah. That makes sense. My b.

Yeah. I meant for selecting teams.

Just re-reading my UCE stuff.

Darren Young and his confused identity is the greatest thing in the history of our sport!

I think I'll spend a bit of tomorrow reading through some of the last Armchair Warfare stuff to get a feel of things.

I hear the VCW shows are a "must read" ;)

Man, I had to put up a fight to get Darren Young. I was so worried when I didn't get him in my draft. Epic PM trade negotiations: