also, I'd love if you could link me to your source that states all games are going to be hourly.

because one voice in a sea of millions is obviously 'the way things are going to be'. :roll:

LOL

If it has 100 GOTY awards, it must be great!

Nah, I didnt like it. I loved Half Life 1, but 2 was annoying. You didnt have the same freedoms you had in 1. The game enviroment was extremely boring. Most of all, Alyx was probably the most annoying sidekick/character in any game I played. Worse than Superfly Johnson (I cant leave without my buddy superfly!). Granted, I didnt finish it...because I got sick of Alyx and the boring maps, and maybe it got better later in the game...but it's a FAR FAR worse game than Half Life 1. But, Deus Ex 1 is a better game than both of them :). Half Life is vastly overrated imo.


My PC wasnt "too crappy" to run it. I dont understand why you think that if a person doesnt like a game/service, it must mean that their PC is not good enough to run it. As if thats the only reason someone could dislike a game.

The point stands that in my opinion, the movement to all digital games is a step in the wrong direction. Valve has FORCED people to use their service. If Valve was truly as "great" of a company as everyone claims, they would've allowed people to bypass Steam if they bought the game at retail. But then again, you will probably have a reason why its a great move, hell, Valve could start killing people and its fanboys will praise it as "a great approach to murder!!!".

Its "cool" and "trendy" to like Valve and hate on EA and Activision. I've never had a problem with an EA or Activision game, so I really dont understand this. Its not a matter of the items giving you advantage in TF2 or not, its a matter of Valve experimenting whether they can charge for things in game and I think it will lead to people who pay more having advantages in the future. I could be wrong...but if they can make money of it, you can bet your ass they will. People treat Valve like some sort of saint, when really, they're just another corporation whose priority is their bottom line. And that's fine. But I dont like being forced to use their steam service and I have not liked the quality of their games since Half Life 1.

And Team Fortress wasnt even a valve game. It was a mod for Quake that Valve acquired and made into Team Fortress classic. Valve shouldn't get any credit for it. I loved the original TF and Classic for HL1 but hated the art style in TF2, so I never got into it.

Oh wait, I probably hated the art style of TF2 because my computer suxxorz! :rofl:

lol 'cool and trendy to like valve and hate ea activision'. lolololololololol lololololololololol

lololol

not because EA has -proven- their worth by buying out countless quality companies and milking them dry and then shutting them down. nah that couldn't have anything to do with it. but i don't expect you to know that..... actually, I should. if you're going to sit here harping on Valve, you should at least know a little more about the industry you're discussing. (yeah, I keep saying you don't know shit about the industry because it is obvious you don't. you're attempting to sound like you do, but everything that comes out is clearly things you've made up and believe for no reason other than it sounds good in your head) you're assuming i have no reason for disliking companies like EA and Activision, when really I could sit here all day telling you why they are in the business for money and could care less about the quality of their products as long as they sell. That's another topic though which I don't really care to hear your side of, because it's just going to be even more nonsense.

ALL companies have a priority to make a profit. Nobody will debate that. (you probably would :roll:) But what sets some apart from others is the QUALITY they deliver to ensure that profit, as opposed to releasing quantity in order to achieve profit. you are a terrible gamer if you think the quality of valve's products have been lousy since half-life 1. i dont even have anything else to say to that.. it's obviously your opinion, but wow.. what a shitty, watered down bunch of nonsense. I could understand someone who doesn't like shooters not caring for a bunch of shooters. But you obviously like some shooters, so that's not the reason. if you think their games lack quality since then, i SHUDDER to think of what you think makes a good game, because it's probably more of this backward logic.

and even more lollllll at your reasons for disliking HL2. Alyx was barely even there through the game. You see her a few times. If you didn't even keep playing, then I know for a fact she was barely there in the first parts of the game. She wasn't even a sidekick. Comments like that are what make me think you just make things up in order to sound like you have a point. And if you found the environments boring then I just am having a hard time picturing you as a gamer, period. Ravenholm was fucking creepy. The gameplay itself was incredibly unique, and the graphics were spectacular. The textures, models.. ESPECIALLY the models... the physics based game engine which was ahead of its time. Keep in mind it came out in -2004- and it can still stand toe to toe with games 7 years later.

Would just like to point this out. You're right, a hundred game of the year awards don't mean a whole lot.

But typically, even the best games will get a couple 'panned' reviews from major critics. People will find something wrong with it, like you're doing, just to give it a worse review. But, out of 81 major reviewers, 80 of them gave it a 90 or higher. The 81st? an 85 complaining about the friendly AI. 31 were perfect 100's. I'll give you that awards don't mean a whole lot, but in this day and age it is near impossible to find a game so -universally- regarded as that fantastic. Games like that come along once or twice in a decade, if that. Player reviews average 9.3 and 9.4 depending where you look.


That you are even trying to argue that the game 'sucked', and then admit that you barely played it, just screams try-hard. If anyone is trying to be trendy here, it is you. Trying to act like you're too good for Valve products because of some misplaced elitist ego or something. I honestly don't know your actual reasons, because the ones you've given me so far are pitiful.

And what sort of visuals would have made you like TF2? Its visuals make it stand out and give it charm, in a genre that takes itself way too seriously. What, you wanted realism? There are a hundred other games that strive for realism.

And also.. you realize that the people who made Team Fortress ended up working for Valve and making Team Fortress Classic, right? I mean, you wouldn't just make something up like 'Valve deserves no credit' while ignoring the fact that they are the reason the game got popular, would you?

Same with Counter-Strike. Valve had the foresight to hire the people who made it to work for them and develop future titles.

Seriously dudes, take that shit somewhere else.

If Destor likes what he sees, I aims to please. :cool:

There is no way I'm having the Skyrim thread ruined like that. NOT ON MY WATCH.

Thanks Hasney. :heart:

I have no problem having the thread split. :y:

Hasney, you're the fucking man. You should mod every forum.

I didn't read the whole thing, but good luck to Pinit when everything is digital (it's irreversible at this point and completely moot) and he's staring at the wall any time he has down time.

My favorite part is when he says he's going to stop reading books if they all go digital.

ANYWHOO, offline mode is still fussy for me as to when it wants to work. I couldn't get on yesterday morning after not being online overnight. Worked fine just a second ago. Just doesn't like me being offline for x hours.

I don't buy games on Steam full-price either. I haven't found a game that's not on sale that isn't cheaper on Amazon. Then the three CD key sites for even cheaper games. The top 2 of these sometimes need you to be on a Russian VPN to activate the game, but the 3rd one is an official UK/US seller.

www.intkeys.com
www.cdkkeyhouse.com
www.greenmangaming.com

That's not a dig at Valve, I'm pretty sure that publishers get to set the prices on Steam since they're not buying stock of games then selling it at whatever price. But the pricing is bullshit.

I do

Oh :shifty:

Why don't I see your name on them? Are you pulling my leg.

Yeah, there's a load of back catalogue games I want to buy, but no way am I even touching them until after the Christmas sale.

Years ago, when Steam first came out, I -hated- it. PCs were slower and it hogged resources. I thought it was annoying just to have to create an account to play counter-strike. I had problems with it back then, just to get it to run. It wasn't very stable, and on a shitty internet connection, I felt it just wasn't worth it.

Now though, it has so many positives that I have a hard time finding any negative in it. It's fast. Product downloads are BLAZING fast. Was averaging 1.4mb/s on the GTA collection yesterday, which is every bit of my connection and then some. Didn't even slow down the other things I was doing.

One thing we haven't even touched back on is the fact that it is a platform similar to Xbox Live and PSN. The friends list is wonderful, as is the steam interface when I'm in games. A quick shift+tab, and my friends list and messages are brought up. I can join people through it easily and quickly.

In the world of PC gaming, coordinating with friends to play games has always been a nightmare, IMO. With AIM, MSN, Yahoo, etc.. there are too many ways to communicate which not everyone is uniformly using. When one friend uses AIM, another MSN, another Skype.. it's so easy to just check Steam and see "Oh these 3 people are online.. lets see if they want to play X game". Within minutes, you're in a game playing with them.

The fact that you can also add other game's executables to the list means that I can have every non-steam game in one easy place instead of having half my collection elsewhere on my PC, and half of it on Steam.

Bitch, people would give up their Constitutional rights for 2 dollar video games.

DD prices in general are bullshit.

I dont get where you insist that I am "harping" on Valve. I dont care about Valve. Their games haven't entertained me since Half Life 1, I dont like Steam, so I have no problem not buying something I dont like. Trying to sit here and prove to me that Half Life 2 and Valve are the greatest things of all time is futile.

Nor am I going to suddenly going to start supporting "all digital" downloads, even if the future is heading there. I am going to keep buying retail as long as it is available at retail. If I can get more for my money (which I DO) by buying a physical copy, I will keep buying physical copies.

As far as Team Fortress goes, valve still did not develop it or the idea. Credit still goes to the original mod makers of the original team fortress for Quake 1, even if they did join Valve years after making the mod. Valve acquired the rights to the mod, but it makes no sense to credit Valve with its creation.

Modifications of the team fortress concept have been revived before Valve's TFC as well, such as with the EXTREMELY well polished Weapons Factory mod for Quake 2 which IMO, did Team Fortress better than even Team Fortress Classic.

I've never had a problem "co ordinating" games online, but that must be because everyone I know uses either MSN or Aim and I have both running all the time.

Your problem with Steam is that you think Valve is a shit company that would sooner take away your access to games you purchased for more profit than they are currently already earning on the service known as steam.

So yes, you are harping on Valve.

Never said Valve created TF. Read it again. They certainly contributed to its popularity, so to say they deserve no credit for it is a farce. Team Fortress was a mod. Team Fortress Classic was a game owned by Valve.

Thinking that my point is that HL2 is great, is totally missing all of the other points I am making. You're the one that decided to start arguing that Valve's products were mediocre/shit. So again, YES, you are HARPING on Valve. Quite obviously, at that. I don't know why you would even try to act like that's not what you're doing. Your entire point revolves around insisting that their products are crap and thus the company is crap, that they would refuse you access to something you have paid for, and a number of other things which I have refuted about Steam and you instantly dropped in favor of finding new reasons for you to dislike the service.

Your argument has been embarrassing, honestly. You haven't stuck with any points that might have held merit if you actually felt 100% about them, and the ones you've stuck with are idiotic at best.

So in short (after an ironically long argument), you dislike Steam for a bunch of reasons that aren't true, based on assumptions about Valve that have no basis of fact to back them up, and are ignoring the things that make it good because.... uh... they don't apply to you because you don't want to use them? Sorry if I have a hard time finding your reasons. You've stated them terrible. Again, you're making things up in your head that sound great, because you don't have -good- reasons to hate the service.

They're valid enough for me. I dont feel comfortable having to access all of my games through a digital service. I want my games in hard copy format. And I am not as trusting as all of you that Valve will NEVER EVER do anything "bad" or abuse the fact that they have contol of all your games.

I doubt that.

This is why I dont want to use Steam. You're the ones harping on me.

I didnt say Valve's products were mediocre, I merely said that I didnt think any of them were good after Half Life 1. That doesnt mean others wont think they are good. Its all subjective. Most people think Daikatana was a horrible game. I really enjoyed it and played through it twice. To me, that was a good game, even though most found it terrible. Crysis got great reviews. I found it horribly boring, much like Half Life 2.

What I dont understand is why you defend Valve so vehemently? Do you have stock in their company?

It makes no sense.

ZEALOT FIGHT!

...Who brought popcorn?

this argument has become about whether or not Valve makes shit games...so this should in turn be moved into a new thread...with a poll SETTLE THIS

Ive got a poll you can settle...wait :shifty:

Steam is fucking great. Just payed with no problems for fm12, and downloads quickly. Haven't had to order from amazon and wait a day or more for it to arrive or even bother going to a store. Steam haters are just clueless(believe me ive read loads of their complaints, a lot of them are as pathetic as pintint)

Did you pre-order FM2012 and not play Team Fortress 2?

I need those scout football boots :shifty:

I totally forgot about TF2 tbh.

OH NOES! NOT GOING TO THE STORE! :rofl:

Maybe he's agorphobic. Or just a nerd.

It was just an example of an advantage(especially when its first thing on a sunday), you anti steam paranoid dumbass. :)

You really wake up early on a Sunday and decide OH NOES! I NEEDZ A GAEM!

Nah, but was waiting till i could buy that game in particular. Way to be going OTT though.

That's the problem. You kind of need to go "OTT" to argue that's really a merit.

Except to agorophobics.

Due to Comcast sucking ass in my new building, for a full release it's actually faster for me to go to Gamestop. Most people don't have great connection speeds, in fact. So unless your local game store is like 50 miles away....

Well whatever. I was in a lazy mood at the time of writing that so obviously was pleased about it.

I think the REAL answer is you get out of the house less than Kane Knight. :p

Stop trolling. ;)