I remember seeing her against Naomi and thinking that was really bad. I just saw her versus Sasha, it was uploaded in August when Alexa won the belt back. That wasn't engaging at all. Sorry, I just don't think she's there in the ring.

She may not gel with Naomi so well. Oddly specific critique, and you're ignoring a lot of other things.

You didn't like the Sasha match with the fake broken arm?

She's hot and she plays a cosplaying bitch and that appeals to geeks. It's smart to ease her into the roster with something like that. They clearly have a ten year plan for her to be around for ages. As I've said, I'll probably end up loving her when everyone else is saying "I'm sick of her," when she's actually good.

Well you're entitled to all of that. But we could for real find botch gifs of pretty much anyone.

Her match with Asuka on Raw a few weeks ago was pretty good

I don't know if I've seen that one. The one I saw was the one where Alexa won the belt back. I think it was the Raw after No Mercy or SummerSlam or something. You could just see the strings as they went from spot-to-spot. It was a soft style spotfest. Not for me.

I haven't liked what I've seen from her with Bayley. Or Becky. Haven't seen the Charlotte match. Also don't particularly care to, because she doesn't draw me in. Sorry, but I feel like I've given her enough of a chance to make a loyal fan out of me at this stage. She can do a lot of stuff really well. There is a lot of stuff that she can't do well. That's fine. Why can't she just be as good as she is? Why does everyone need to exaggerate her talent to the point it blasphemy to compare her to other divas who were hired for their looks and can barely run the ropes? She's a perfectly passable Diva-grade wrestler.

She has had a slew of good matches. More than I ever thought she would be capable of. I always thought she was hot, but I didn't always think she was good. Now though...I dunno what you'd like to see from her.

Is “cosplaying bitch” really her gimmick? She dressed like Harley Quinn once

That's true. These are just things that I remember Alexa doing when I've been asked to give her a chance because "she's really good now," and then I see her fuck up about four things a match. Which is fine -- she's inexperienced. It's the fandom around her that bothers me more than she actually does.

That's when people got on her bandwagon. It matches up perfectly to No Mercy 2016. Before that, people were saying "Why is she getting called up? Ew." Correlation is not causation, but if I were a betting man...

She can be as good as she is, but to say she's Kelly Kelly level is insulting and erroneous. Sounds like you've missed some of her best work, and that's fine too, but it's out there. Unless there's some really good Kelly Kelly matches out there that I haven't seen. There aren't, though.

I think it's insulting to say that's insulting. Kelly worked really hard to get as good as she did. She didn't get good, but she held the fort perfectly fine for what they were after. Kelly was probably more over too.

And Freddy Krueger. And Chucky. And probably other stuff.

It's something she does, but I wouldn't call it her gimmick. Just an extension of herself.

Yeah, it's cool she does it, frankly. And it helps her.

Alexa has not only been working hard, but she has been flourishing amongst much better talent than Kelly was surrounded by. Why does she not deserve that respect? Also, still waiting to hear about a single good Kelly match.

You don't have to go back and watch these Bliss matches we're mentioning or anything, but know that I've seen them all, and I suffered through Kelly's entire career in WWE too. I can say without hesitation that the comparison is fairly off the mark. I also haven't mentioned how hot I think Bliss is in this entire thread until just now.

Well maybe one other time or so, but you get it.

And I'm still waiting to hear about a good Alexa Bliss match. :p We can both play that game. I do think Bliss is better than Kelly, but not by so much it's insulting. Come on, now. Even if the matches you have come up with are good, you're still at, what? Two? Three?

I'm not going to go back and forth on this endlessly. I just don't think she's as good as people say. Doesn't mean I hate her. I just think the people who put her in some rarefied air are kidding themselves a bit. But to each their own.

Three off the top of my head. I've enjoyed plenty of her matches. At least I named a few.

But yeah, to each his own.

And I'm sorry, but Kelly was trash in the ring. Like, for real.

This is just circular to me. Kelly is bad, but got better, and Alexa was bad and got better. I'm not seeing any nuances worth distinguishing. Alexa is better, but they have had very similar trajectories.

This is dumb now.

You know who else has blonde hair and was awesome? Yoshihiro Takayama. Lets talk about him instead of this dumb bullshit.

Is there a diva with a mustache as glorious as Don Frye's?

I don't love Alexa per se but I don't ever remember her coming close to being as bad as Kelly Kelly

Maybe I am not remembering how much Kelly Kelly improved, or at least putting it into contextual significance. Still, this idea that Alexa is a great wrestler is yet to be firmly established to me. Sorry.

Kelly Kelly is much better than Bliss.

I don't recall Kelly ever improving.

Naomi is the drizzling shits tho

She seems to be just sloppy if she could get it together she'd be fun to watch outside of her entrance

I'm no fan.

I definitely do. I was young and optimistic though. But I remember her doing a great job around the time she was given the Divas Title. In terms of effort and all that shit that people praise Bliss for.

lol....please

Yeah her moveset is fun, but her execution needs work.

Hate those goofy ass kicks.

The repeated ones with no force behind them? Yeah fucking garbage.

Yeah, it's definitely a "diva era"type of move.

Fucking love the headscissors faceplant to kneeling opponents tho. Her submission is cool too.

Lol ok I'm making that up, but I really don't get what people see in Bliss besides her ass.