Doesn't matter. That's not what the basis for his decision were anyways. HBK's actions don't factor into that decision. Especially for Hogan. At least Michaels has changed his ways. And it was hardly about principle for Hogan. It's not like he refused to win because he thought Shawn was a weasle and he was righteous. He wanted to win based on his ego, not an ethical stance. So the past of Michaels regarding jobbing wasn't and isn't a reason for Hogan of all people to not do it.

So Hogan should have done the job to Michaels. Why? It's not a matter of justice regarding Michaels not jobbing, it's a matter of what's right. Hogan didn't need it, he wasn't wrestling full time. Michaels had and continued to work with younger talent on a regualr schedule in WWE, in most cases putting them over (despite what you say about 95-98 HBK). He was a part of the WWE and the rub would have paid off for their fulltime talent who was being used to still generate for the company and it's roster. Hogan was just doing a one-off.
If you wanna bring in the principles of it, Hogan was a guy who turned his back on WWE and left them. He wasn't there, and he only came back occasionally for cash and his own glory. No matter what you want to say about HBK in his politician days, he was always there for the company and always busted his ass. He was loyal and hardworking, always had been and still was. He was still in the company helping them fill arenas, just like he was back in the trenches when they were getting their ass kicked and he was one of the only guys who stuck around despite big money on the other side.
And if you wanna compare Hogan and HBK in terms of doing the job, Michaels put over Stone Cold. I'm not using that as a way to clear him of his wrongdoings, and I do realize there was a lot of bullshit regarding it actually happening, but it did happen. It's something Hogan would not have ever done, and it outweighs any job he ever did. Especially since Michaels didn't do it under the condition that he come back and beat him.

Why are you arguing with the sock?

Mick Foley does it.

First of all, I was responding to Fox.
As for Val Venis earlier in the thread when I ran down his list, it was out of principle. Even if it's a joke, and even if my posts are the desire effect, I have to say that shit. I want to.

But mainly I was responding to Fox with my last 2 posts if you noticed. He's not a sock.

Plus I wouldn't call it an argument.

Wasnt talking to you

Venis, maybe it's just I've had a bad day and after being awake for 19 hours after one hell of a hang over, but please, shut your godforsaken cock hole you call a mouth.
I was as big of a hulkamaniac as anyone else back when hulkamania was still running wild. I respect and love what he did for the industry, but that's like me saying I respect my boss for giving me a job albeit nowadays I get treated like shit by him. Hogan has taken a big shit on wrestling.
He wasn't a nail in the coffin of WCW, but damned if he wasn't a driving force to its grave. His backstage bullshit and his ego made more problems than WCW could deal with. His creative control ruined him in WCW because it meant if he didn't like the game he could take the goddamn ball and go home.
As of his current state with WWE, fuck Hogan. He wanted more money for WrestleMania than he was worth, and Vince knew it. Let's talk about how HBK should have gone over Hogan. Let's talk about how many last matches Hogan has had, and won. Now let's compare him to Mick Foley who won maybe 3 matches in the past 10 years just to get people on the full time roster over. Let's compare Hogan to a guy like Ric Flair who has put more people over in the last three years than Hulk Hogan has had matches. These past few years Hogan didn't kill his own legend. His legend is now that of a fallen star. A man who once commanded the respect of everyone in the industry and all the fans around the world has turned into a balding, bitter shell of a man who “got injured” when talks of Hogan putting Randy Orton over started.
Now all due respect to Hulk Hogan, and all due respect to you, shut up you ignorant ass.

Yeah, but the makeup sex is awesome.

I think that's the sock in question.

Yes, I do. They're the fans who've never been to a single wrestling event in their LIVES, yet, they hear that a big name like Hogan will be there, they automatically just HAVE to go and get tickets just for one old-fart wrestler who takes a year just to drive to an arena 5 minutes away from where he lives, and cheer him on, because for all they know, they might as well be living in 1900, because they think the stuff's still real. Those are your Hogan marks, the ones who'll never understand that 90% of what the "pros" do in wrestling is fake, and that no matter what they should cheer for Hogan because he's such an AMAZING role model, and a “REAL American”.
pff...Give me a break, people...:roll:

Any other moronic questions, Venis?

Val Venis = Vermaat

Or someone trying to be like Vermaat

Also, Hogan didn't put Brock over, Brock was already over by that time. Also, I would have loved to see Hogan not job to Brock when he was suppose to.

You should not assume things about people just because you disagree with them.

Guess again.

Does anyone else remember watching Hogan come out on Nitro with the belt for years? I do.

Does anyone else remember watching Hogan finally lose, then, as a result of holding the belt for so long, literally look naked with out it? I do.

And this was 'after' he was considered washed-up.

Actually, Lesnar was an up and comer at the time. He had not beaten any big names by that point. Matt Hardy and Buh-Buh Ray Dudely are not big names. Hulk Hogan, The Rock and The Undertaker are however.

So starting out with Heyman doesn't mean anything?
Or taking Vince's side to help Vince beat Flair for ownership of WWE?
Mark Henry isn't a big deal?
Booker T and RVD aren't big stars?

Lesnar was over before his deal with Hogan.

Not only that, but if we're to judge by pops, like Venis wants, simply listening to his reactions should tell you he was over Pre-Hogan.

Not as much, but the Hogan thing was little more than some heat for his upcoming title shot. The real credit in geting Brock over goes to The Rock, though I think Heyman and Brock himself deserve most of the credit. That and the timing. The fans needed something new and in their face, and Brock was it.

If we're talking about putting Brock over here, fair play to Taker folks.

Hey, I never said you were one of those people outright, now did I? You assumed I was saying that about you just because you happen to be a Hogan fan, I'm not saying you are or you're not, but you certainly seem like a prime candidate to fit in the category of Hogan fans I was talking about.

Mark Henry? LMAO....you are joking right?

Booker T and RVD yes...but they were not nearly as over as Hulk Hogan, The Rock and The Undertaker...those guys all got much louder pops then T or RVD did.

You're just making personal attacks is what you're doing and you shouldn't pretend to know anything about thousands and thousands of people's personal lives. If you think thousands of people are exactly the same then you need to get out more. The only thing we know that those thousands of people have in common is that they love Hulk Hogan.

Ok, I get what you’re saying now...all the thousands of so-called Hogan “fans” must be liars, because nobody has ever liked Hogan, even in the slightest, right?:roll: Either that or you’re the only Hulk Hogan fan still living, take your pick...:wave:

My stand is the same as a week ago, Hogan sucks, he could never wrestle, and in any other era of wrestling he wouldnt have gotten over the way he did, even when he turned heel he got so over as one because he was a huge face for 15 years plus.

For Hogan it goes in this order, Ego, Money, Himself...and thats about it.

...AND because of a certain one Eric Bischoff’s creative genius in WCW ( :y: ), but he’d probably never admit that to anyone, not even himself...

Hulk Hogan was the biggest babyface in professional wrestling long before he went to work for Ted Turner. So him becoming a heel was a major thing and he deserves all the credit for it.

FYI: It was Hogan's idea for his character to become a villian.

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Him becoming a heel was the only thing that saved him from losing any chance at a career lasting more than another 6 months...

WWE has announced that the first estimate on buys from WrestleMania 23 was 1.2 million buys. This already makes it the largest pro wrestling PPV event in history. Domestic buys look to be coming in at 768,000 for the event.

Last year's WrestleMania did 980,000 total buys with 636,000 domestic.


and we all know Hogan did participate in wrestlemania 22.


its amazing the first wrestlemania that hogan hasnt been involved with in the past few years. Is now expected to be the largest pro wrestling pay per view in history. i guess other people besides hogan can put butts in the seats as well.:)

Um to correct you on something it was Eric Bishoff who came to hogan and asked him to turn heel. The only reason hogan turned heel is because he wanted to be part of the coolest thing in wrestling at the time the NWO. But then hogan had to run that storyline into the ground as well.:yes:

Venus, rent or find a copy of WM 9, then come talk yeah? I appreciate Hogans legacy but his attitude and the fact he refused to go gracefully killed WCW or at least contributed to it.

Legend but a Legend with cancer

Legendary cancer?

yes legendary cancer,

Wrong. It was Bischoff's idea and Hogan only went through with it when he noticed Nitro doing better numbers without him and realized his time on top as a face was stale as hell....4 years after everyone else realized it.

Well, according to Hulk Hogan's book and this website...

http://www.wrestleview.com/info/faq/hogan.shtml

It was Hogan's idea to turn heel. Now some of you may think that the info I have is not enough proof but where is your info that claims it wasn't Hogan's idea?

I agree that at Wrestlemania 9 was wrong and Hogan should not have done that but clearly McMahon didn't care. And all that matter was that the fans went home happy and I have seen the main event match at Wrestlemania 9...I saw it last week infact on WWE.com on it's WWE 24/7 service. And the fans were very happy when Hogan won.

:lol:

We should all listen to Hogan and read his book for it is the gospel truth.

I am gonna have to agree with the majority and say go ahead and live with your Hogan Kool-Aid drinking one-sided view because you, sir are WRONG!

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With his size and how he has been pushed, yes, he is a big deal no matter how much any of us want to deny it. It pains me to give that man any credit but I'll give it where it's due.

That was gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay