lol Kane will have to look back at that when he retires.

I remember being SO pissed when Kane won the title, but so relieved when Austin won it back the next night.

Not if said champ is "Bland as Butter" Babyface Cena!

that is a opinion. Because I think he is good. I think me and you agree on other things, just maybe not who it is that has the champion belt.

I too am a fan of Cena, but even still, I can see a title change being a good thing. I'm salivating at the thought of his eventual heel turn. It'll be amazing whenever it happens.

Wow, I also love how Cena is up there THREE times in the top TEN.

:mad:

Does anybody have Hogan's numbers previous to those?

Don't get me wrong, unlike a lot of people here who flat out hate the guy, I quite like Cena.

I just wish they'd run with something other than the "Good-as-gold-overcome-the-odds-even-when-the're-stacked-so-heavily-against-him Superman" gimmick. Which I imagine is the same way a lot of people feel.

So basically...
John Cena the person I like.
John Cena the wrestler I don't dislike.
John Cena pulling a HHH and filling the Main Event for 3 years I don't like.

I only watch wreslting again for the first time in a long time. So I don;t know what Hhh did before all that well. But maybe people are just mad about HHH still and not about Cena.

All I know is I like Cena since I start watching again I find his parts better than the other parts.

I don't hate Cena, but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the dominant run he has been given. Nobody deserves that kind of a dominant run, not right now in the WWE anyway. Also, it would be one thing if he was massively over and everybody loved seeing him night in and night out. He is not massively over though. He is thoroughly resented by a large amount of the fan base to the point where he alone has a large part of the responsibility of the rating being at some of the lowest points ever. People are just sick of seeing him and they really need to do something about it.

Indeed, that's why this Randy Orton feud has been somewhat refreshing.

Also, I still wouldn't call it pulling a Triple H though, because I really don't think keeping the title on him is ever his own suggestion. The company's just ridiculously high on him, and he didn't even have to start a gay relationship with Shane or Hornswoggle.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is there really anybody massively over enough right now that could do better than he has been doing?

Well this makes sense. When Cena first won the title, everybody was ecstatic over it. It was the next three years or so of constant Cena ass kicking that put a ton of people off to him. Somehow, I've managed to remain a fan of his through all the "controversy" (as J.R. would call it), but I will still be pulling for Randy Orton tonight. It's just time to try something new.

Yeah, I though that what I said might come off like that.

I didn't mean just like HHH cos obviously that had a lot to do with politics. I know it's not Cena's choice. I imagine he begs to change things up a little after hearing the thunderous boos from the majority of the crowd.

I just compared them with regards to their position and length of time rather than the reasons that led to this.

*yes*

:y:

Word....that's another thing I wonder about, though. Do you guys think that Cena ever pushes to drop the belt? Or do you think he just rides the wave? I imagine you get paid better as the champ, right?

Yeah, that's where a lot of my dislike comes from.

I look back and think about wrestling greats such as Rick Rude and Curt Hennig who didn't even get a sniff of the title. Guys that could out promo and out wrestle Cena but never got the chance at The Big One.

It human nature to want to be the best so I don't think he would but u never know.

I don't see why you'd get paid more as champ as it is a non-legit sport but I guess you could based on that you are "the man" for the company.

I'd guess that Cena has probably had a few meetings with Vince and "Creative" about his situation. I doubt he would have wanted to drop the title but I could imagine him wanting to tweak his character or even turn fully heel.

I swear to God if Cena drops the title tonight I'm going to donate 50 bucks to St. Jude's Children's Reseach Hopsital.

I don't see the correlation there, but a nice gesture none the less.

I'm sick of seeing Cena with the strap, and I'm sick of the spinner belt.
No, there is no connection with St. Jude's Children's Resarch Hospital and Cena as champion. But if he drops the title tonight I'll be so thankful that I'll donate the cash.
It doesn't have to be to Orton. It could be the greatest work-shoot ever and have Kennedy take the title somehow, or even the return of the greatest midget ever, Dink.

Max Mini > Dink

and people say I am dum :?:

In Mexico, yea, but here in the states (or "El Stateos" as they say in Mexico) it's Dink, followed up by Mini Goldust.

Dink is Canadian.

Im still pondering whether or not to waste 45 bucks on watching Cena lose.

OMG, are they really 45 bucks now?

If he ever does lose it will they even bother changing the belt? Or will he fly back into the ring and retain after 1 night??

45 Canadian, which should be about the same American, since our dollar is about even with yours.

$39 American...

Yeah, It;s 39.99 plus tax.

Oh, right on...I was thinking there was no way they raised prices again. I remember back when In Your House was only 15 bucks. 2 hours, but 15 bucks.

Wow! Things are bad over there if the US dollar is equal to the Canadian one!

I try to find the answer for you Thrilla about Hogan but wiki mumbles and I can't figure it out.

* = not counting WWE World Heavyweight Championship wins ; only WWF/E Championship wins

Most Championships:
1. The Rock (7)
2(t). Hulk Hogan (6)
2(t). Steve Austin (6)
4(t). Triple H (5)*
4(t). Bret Hart (5)
6(t). The Undertaker (4)*
6(t). Kurt Angle (4)*

Longest Single Reign (days):
1. Bruno Sammartino (2,803)
2. Bob Backlund (2,135)
3. Hulk Hogan (1,474)
4. Bruno Sammartino (1,237)
5. Pedro Morales (1,027)

Longest Combined Reign (days):
1. Bruno Sammartino (2 for 4,040)
2. Hulk Hogan (6 for 2,185)
3. Bob Backlund (2 for 2,137)
4. Pedro Morales (1 for 1,027)
5. John Cena (3 for 777)
6. Bret Hart (5 for 654)

From 1984-88, Hogan held the belt for 1,474 days.

nah dude
lol i thought hhh would've been at least 3rd

<font color=goldenrod>God I hope Cena's not in line for a 7+ year Sammartino reign :o

Otherwise I'll just consider IC champ to be the champion of the company since the WWE Title is frozen</font>

I think the reason Cena is still champion is because WWE have no idea what else to do with him. He only works as a champion, and if not that then title challenger.

The WWE have failed to build decent heel main eventers with the exception of Edge and Randy Orton.

They do have a hell of a lot of upper mid carders, but none of them have been given the right program to move up to the main event.

The fact that Cena had two feuds with babyfaces this year should show how lacking Raw is in main event heels.

:y:

The sad thing is, you'll just have to explain this again in three weeks.