People doing it on ebay is irrelevant, because it was against both game's terms of service. Just because people did it doesn't make it alright. And I didn't play Diablo II online, because of the sheer amount of hacking that was prevalent for years. As far as WoW goes, I could care less. The game is utter trash compared to other games in the genre.

Selling actual items in-game is dumb, and the fact that it is a Blizzard game means that a LOT of people will play it, and a LOT of people are going to spend a shit ton of money on the items. I am hugely against game-altering micro-transactions. So basically, if I want to play multi-player I will end up having to play with countless people who have bought items. Fuck that. I will do without it. I played through Diablo II countless times by myself, as well as on LANs with friends. I can do without multiplayer if it means not having to deal with the 'always on' bullshit, as well as people who purchased items.

In a game where there ends up being competitive play or PvP of any sort, allowing the sale of actual items (not vanity items), is retarded. Especially with all these 'MMO-like' components they're touting. I'll pirate it, and play it, and uninstall it. The point of me not purchasing it is that they lost a potential customer because of those 2 features. Congrats Blizzard. I know at least 3 people who will not purchase it because of those features as well. Especially the 'always on' bit. I will -NEVER- purchase a non-MMO game that requires me to be connected to the internet in order to play it.

Also, one of the worst things they could possibly do for this game is to deny LAN support. Diablo II was a LAN king.

I'm just saying I don't blame Blizzard for doing micro-transactions, since people are going to farm items in their game regardless of what they do. I never said what farmers did was right, I just see where Blizzard is coming from and why they made the decision to manage them.

And the always-on/LAN thing has to do with piracy, so I don't blame them for that decision either. Same with Starcraft 2, so this isn't some new issue for Blizzard. And when people keep pirating, it's just going to keep showing up in their games. Just feel bad for the people who have limited bandwidth or internet availability getting screwed over.

Req, you are a fucking dick.

They institute measures to prevent piracy and your response is "Fuck all that, Im going to pirate it!"

In todays world what LAN are you playing on that DOESNT have an internet connection?

Diablo 2 was Lan King because you could hack the shit out of it for free.

You are the type of person they added these measures for, so thank yourself for the added security we ALL have to go through.

And if you dont want to buy in game items, dont. You wont need to. They are just adding the option to make some extra cash just like every other publisher.

Starcraft 2 had the same security and connection policy, and we still played 8 player matches at my office.

The Only change from the original? All 8 were paid for.

Funny how that works. I have the same opinion of any game that utilizes DRM. I refuse to allow a company to install monitoring software, or to monitor when I am using their game by requiring me to be connected to their servers. I also find it incredibly stupid that if I go on a trip or am anywhere I don't have internet, that I can't use a game that I paid money for. That alone is reason for me to not purchase it. If my internet drops out, then what? If I'm not even playing with other people, I should be allowed to play something I paid for.

Your response acts as if I don't understand why they do this. But they don't realize that this simply causes more people to pirate their products.

As far as micro-transactions, it's not about if I want to buy those items or not. Yeah, I could ignore them and not buy items. But if I want to play online, then I'm forced to play with people who have bought advantages. It's dumb. They're touting this game as having MMO-like qualities to its gameplay. (It's important to note that it's NOT an MMO, which is another reason requiring an always-on connection is stupid) Why should I have to pay more in order to keep up with the other people playing it? It's greedy. But hey, it's Blizzard. I guess at this point I should have expected it.

And second, I and all of my friends back in the day owned our copies of Diablo II, and we still played offline through a LAN. Because it was easier, and there was less latency issues. You try having 6 or 7 people connected to a shitty home line, all doing different things online. When a couple of them want to play a game together, it's simpler to just LAN it.

We owned probably 80% of the games we played on LAN. These days, I don't care about it as much because I don't LAN like I used to. But I play these types of games single-player more than I do multiplayer these days, and I am not going to get a game that requires me to be online in order to play single player. And again, in the event that I want to play with other people, I don't want to play with people who bought advantages.

I pirate a lot of games, but 'I'm the reason this exists' is a stupid response, because as far as Blizzard games go, I still own my copies of them. I pay for games from companies that put out quality products, and with how good Diablo II was, I would have bought this game in a heartbeat.

If a PC game I like has multi-player, I typically purchase it.

Try playing with those same 8 people on a home line. You'll find it's a lot more difficult, and not nearly as smooth an experience.

Alright, so don't purchase the game. Stick it to the man and pirate the shit out of it.

Moving forward...

From a player perspective, there is no positive to requiring you to be online in order to play the game. Nor is there a single positive for allowing a company to install DRM on your PC. Name me one positive from a player's perspective that says "Oh yeah, I like that".

You can't, because there isn't one.

Done. :y:

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Evidently FAngel is as upset about this as Req.

lol no way this guy's voice is for real. i can't believe that people who make videos are unaware that they sound like this.

lol k watched the whole thing this is definitely some kind of overexaggerated act

I BOYCOTT YA GAAMEZ

Depending on when Blizzard finally finishes up creating the beta for the game and the results from the beta, the company still thinks it has a chance of releasing the game before the end of this year.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/blizza...his-year/3553/

Used to play Diablo all the time. Did not care for Diablo II.

I don't know why people are getting so up in arms over the real money for virtual items, it's not like you have to use that feature.

How hilariously appropriate that mytony should post in this thread.

And LoDownM, I have explained twice why I loathe that feature. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not I wish to use it, and everything to do with whether or not I want to play with people who bought an advantage. I don't.

To be honest, in Diablo 2, people bought and sold items online anyway. As long as the items are not "created" by Blizzard to be sold and still have to be found and sold, that's fine, just bypasses the side market and allows Blizzard direct control over it.

Ok, I went and read your posts Req, all I have to say is, shut up, you are the video game forum version of Kano.

"The real money auction house will not be available in Hardcore mode." There you go, play hardcore mode and shut up.

I've said that to Req. He doesn't care.

People played Diablo 2 outside of hardcore mode?

Pussies.

Excellent news. :y:

DRM will still keep me from purchasing this game.

And also, fuck off. :)

And also also, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF PEOPLE -DID- BUY ITEMS ONLINE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ALRIGHT. Said that a couple times too, but I guess it's alright that YOU didn't pay attention to what I said, and it's fine to try and act like I'm the one not paying attention. Pretty bad when I have to repeat myself on a half dozen occasions because you dolts don't read.

People have been buying items off ebay for games for years. I GET THAT. Saying it 5 fucking times doesn't make me 'get it' any more. They did in the first 3 big MMOs, and they still probably do it to this day in current games. That doesn't excuse it, as it is still against those game's terms of service. It still ruins game economies in games where item loss/destruction doesn't exist, and it still gives unfair advantages to people who bought items. Don't understand how this is such a difficult concept for you people to understand.

Since the micro-transactions will be unavailable in hardcore mode, the bulk of my complaint about it is now gone. It's still stupid, it's still greedy, but it will largely not affect me as I feel hardcore mode is the reason to play this game online. It also gives FAR more people the ability to purchase items, where-as I would wager money that the vast majority of people do NOT purchase items illegally in these games. It's the ones that do, that ruin the games. Blizzard giving in and creating a market to regulate it is only opening up the option for more and more people that may not have ever done it before. Hence, greedy.

DRM is still a complete piece of shit though, and only affects people who purchase games, not people who pirate games. Companies just don't "get" that. In the majority of games that use DRM, (ie; non-multiplayer games), it has absolutely ZERO affect on people who pirate games. They'll still pirate the game regardless. DRM only exists to piss off people who purchase it, regardless of the companies intentions with it.

For instance (ie; a single example, not an example of DRM in all games), DRM in Spore was complete and utter bullshit. It did nothing but hurt people who actually purchased the game by allowing a limited number of installs. People who pirated the game were allowed as many installs as they want, and due to modern programming/cracking, people could even get a SHIT TON of custom content.

DRM is counter-productive, and drives people to pirate. There's simply no argument that I could possibly believe is being honest, in support of DRM.

I'm willing to bet that it launches with an offline mode or is patched out soon after. I actually believe them when they are doing this to stop hacks more than piracy because they know they'll sell their games.

If it has an offline mode where you can't take that character to online games, transfer items from him to other people and things like that, it'll be a fair compromise.

If they have an offline mode, I will have no issues with it and I will probably purchase it. (just keeping in mind that is speculation, and they haven't said anything yet) I obviously don't care about having to be connected to the internet in order to play online with people. That would be ridiculous. Since I will only play hardcore mode online, (or regular with friends), I don't have to worry about micro-transactions.

That's all I am saying, people. Hasney speaking some sense in here instead of getting bent out of shape just because I think it's bullshit that they included certain "features". :y:

Although I don't know about this. Hacks ran rampant in Diablo II online. Hacks run rampant in WoW as well. Don't think forcing people to be connected to the internet will do anything to deter it. People will still have hacks, and when those become detectable, they'll make new ones.

I know someone who was banned 4 times (lol) from WoW for hacking, and he played for at least 6 months a few of those times without getting caught. The first time, he played over a year while hacking and didn't get caught.

They would be more concerned about the hacks regarding the paid auction houses because Blizzard could be held liable for criminal or illegal transactions.

I'd assume the idea from Blizzard was instead of having a ton of gold miners and illegal sellers, they figured it would have been more easier to monitor and regulate them in an a single official spot.

There is still regular auction houses that only swap items and the traditional way of getting items for those who don't want to spend real money or play in a more leveled playing field. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually have a server just for paid auction users to separate them from everyone else.

I just don't share your opinion, Req. It annoys me when I can't play my Steam games when my internet goes out, sure, but I can manage. Like I said before, I only feel bad for the people who don't live in a situation without a good or constant internet connection. Companies have their reasons for DRM, and I just don't let it bother me that much. You can feel how you want. Same for the auction house - it's such a small detail, and is easy to ignore, so I don't much care if people want to waste away their money.

And if I complained about pirating games, I'd still be nothing but a hypocrite. I've done a lot in the past few years to stop, mainly because I can't find any good reasons to justify it (even though there probably aren't any good reasons anyway), but I still find myself getting the occasional handheld release gratis. If I was you, I'd buy the game and the crack it to play offline if the DRM bothered me that much. Pirating to "stick it to the man" just sounds like poor reasoning to me. Again - think and do what you want.

You know you can play Steam games in offline mode, right?

I actually enjoy Steam as a platform for which to purchase games. It gives me access to them forever. All I have to do if I ever reformat is log in, and start redownloading my games. It has an offline mode which lets me use them while not connected. I can redownload them as many times as I want, and Steam actually encourages me to purchase games I wouldn't normally buy because of awesome deals that they offer all the time.

Steam's offline mode requires that you log-in online first before you go offline. When I don't have internet, I can't log in.

No it doesn't. When you try to load it or a game that uses it, wait for it to fail and it will ask you what you want to do. Then you need only click 'start in offline mode' and boom.

Wasn't working for me because I don't save my username and password on the computer. The Steam website says you have to log in online first, so I never really bothered. Never though clicking "remember password" was particularly important for offline mode, and the application itself doesn't make it particularly apparent. My mistake, I guess.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...3160-AGCB-2555

But anyway, it doesn't matter. My point was DRM has never bothered me and probably never will. You're certainly allowed to feel differently.

It depends how it handles disconnections for me. I can't buy a game that boots me out of it because my internet went a bit funny. Settlers did that and I never made it past the second level until I cracked it.