lol what, there is no way I'm reading this thread.

You know, if I shouldn't have any problem with the neg reps, then why am I being treated like Clox or Kano on here by you and getting spammed (since they don't matter, why are you wasting your time doing so?)? I'm expressing an opinion on what I think. I'm not trying to insult anyone, and I've been on this site a lot longer than you, and around the same time KK did, to be honest (check the date I joined on my profile).

Thing is, I would be alright with alot of this if there weren't as much elitism here as "you're taking on THE guy" or "how dare you disagree with them" on even the littlest things and even if it's just on one thing in their post when agreeing with everything else they said.

You I'm very surprised about because you're not in that uber post count thing, and I'm sure you don't agree with him 100% of the time, but you're so ready to defend him no matter what he says whenever I begin debating him.

This is why I'm getting pissed. It can't be just agreeing to disagree. It's "do whatever you can and fuck anyone over to win the argument" or else. And when you can't find anything to counter the argument with, bring up something the poster did in the past as a personal attack in order to discredit them as a valid poster. That's what KK does alot of, and why you're so joined at the hip with him alot of the time, I'm not sure, since you are able to (and I've SEEN it) make valid points which are MUCH more valid that he's EVER made, and you actually know what the fuck you're talking about when you're not attacking me.

Seriously, you got brains AND individuality. USE THEM!!

Don't worry, BC, this is what usually ends up happening in ANY thread I have to educate KK in (because he won't ever give up).

I agree with you darkpower, Kane Knight just doesn't know when to give up, but hopefully he'll learn his lesson after this flogging.

Though I wish that would happen....

lol, I doubt it though.

Gotta say, though....he kinda picked the wrong guy to debate this stuff with, because I've been a gamer since the age of 2 (2600, baby!), and I've been focused on the industry for such a fucking long time. Probably one of my favorite hobbies, so he's kinda picking on the wrong guy here.

(and yes, I also love to inflate my ego).

Yeah, he bought a knife to a gun fight huh?

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$50USD/$60CDN is not bad for 13 months, people.

If there's one thing I've learned about people and commerce in the last 4 months, it's that there are 3 kinds in general:

1. Those who are stingy bastards who beg for discounts everywhere they go (even fucking McDonald's, nothing is ever good enough, asking for free shit no matter how ridiculous, blah blah blah

2. People who generally know what they want and pay whatever price within reason to get it

3. Smart shoppers who compare prices, features and benefits before ultimately making a decision then buying at the most opportune time.

The only thing I would have with this is if the charge is justified. I'm not going to make a judgment either way, but the more that both online services become even, the less likely people will pay for even that much (and believe me, I know all about how cheap people are) because they don't think the service will be worth it.

You bringing that up, though, did remind me of something. There was the blog someone posted (a really awful one, I'll have to try to find it again) that was trying to tell people which version of GTA4 he thought was "superior" (an ANONYMOUS blog, mind you), which went to a new level of 360 fanboyism. Anyway, the guy was complaining about people bitching about the $50/year XBL fee, then went about how much energy the PS3 uses, which would cost you $40/year more. I mean, even a hardened 360 fanboy (I hope) would figure out that if you don't want people to bitch about the 50/year fee, then don't bitch that the other system will cost you 40/year in energy. It's a very extremly slanted blog. I'm wanting to find it again now just to laugh at it.

Didn't say there was a problem with paying for the service, Funky Fly. But I was arguing that there would be nothing negative about making the service free, and thus it would be a good change to XBL.

This has nothing to do with KK, I don't have anything against anyone if has a problem with bar you.

Also, I don't care what rep you are, all I know is 2 clicks of the mouse and I get paragraphs of entertainment from you spazzing out. The only way it would be funnier would be if you made a YouTube video instead of typing

True. If there is anything to be mad about though, it's expensive extras that should be included from the get go. The wireless adapter and HDMI cables for example. They were nice enough to include component cables, but fuck their shit is expensive. HD cables, whether component or HDMI or whatever, are very expensive, but not because of cost. It's marked up like 300%. So really, it's not that special for them to include HDMI in the Elite package.

HDMI cords are only expensive if you buy Monster Cable. I got 2 for like $4 each. There's no reason they can't include an HDMI port in all of the systems now.

Yeah, I got a 15m HDMI Cable for $30 NZ

Monster is overpriced because they have THX certification.

Of course I can get them for less than the cost of generic HDMI cables. :cool:

lol THX certification SHUTUP. :p

That's what it is, seriously. It's not easy to get THX certification, but once you have it, people will pay out of their ass to have your shit.

I seriously don't understand this whole THX cert deal. What do they THINK it means, and does it actually have anything different from the 30 buck Phillips HDMI cable I got from Wal-Mart?

Unless your cables are complete crap, you will more than likely never tell the difference between a Monster Cable and a cheaper one. The THX certification is not worth the extra money and isn't the only reason their prices are so high. Monster Cable uses gold flakes and garbage in their cables because back in the analog days that would actually make a difference by helping the cables keep signal more efficiently. Now that it's digital it doesn't matter and they are still trying to run with it.

What DS said. I had a Monster SCART cable back in the day and it was much better than the garbage I'd bought before. Because of that, I bought one of their HDMI cables and felt completely ripped off as it made no difference compared to generic HDMI cable

how about make consoles that don't break down every 3 months

I think they got to put more in the box out of their cheaper models. Sure, the Elite may have alot of what the gamers would want, but by then you may be wondering what was the different about a said price cut when you have to buy everything to make the Arcade 360 model be for a pure gamer (which ends up making the system over 500-600 dollars easily) or even for a halfway gamer (not quite casual while not quite hardcore). Sony, on that front, is owning them there and it makes the PS3 a bit more attractive to someone that is reading contents of what a model of system has.