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RatedGSuperstar 02-10-2009 11:35 PM

I don't have too much of a problem with it, either. I'm glad that he's back on WWE TV, and in some ways I actually prefer seeing him heading up ECW at this point instead of him getting lost in the midcard shuffle on Raw or Smackdown. Let him have a run with the ECW title, build up interest in the show for a change, and see where it goes from there.

The return could've been done a little better, though. First of all the new remix of his theme bites -- where the hell is the kick ass instrumental? It would've been better to have that interrupt Swagger than a crappy remix that had me confused for a second before I saw "CHRISTIAN" on the titantron. The promo itself was fine, and the crowd actually seemed interested in ECW for a change. I don't mind the idea of a Christian/Swagger feud, or even making it a three way feud with Finlay in there, too. Let Christian carry the slack on the mic for the feud, and Swagger's bound to benefit from working more with Finlay. In the long run it'll be good for Swagger, and maybe he'll actually be prepared for another title run in June or whenever Christian gets drafted away from ECW.

At least between Christian and T.J. Wilson I have a reason to pay attention to ECW now.

Nark Order 02-10-2009 11:37 PM

Yeah, I am still failing to see how pinning the ECW Champion on his return match is a bad thing. Especially seeing as how Swagger had only lost once before that.

Juan 02-10-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 2431999)
Yeah, I am still failing to see how pinning the ECW Champion on his return match is a bad thing. Especially seeing as how Swagger had only lost once before that.

Because "nobody watches ECW" and Jack Swagger is a "nobody" :roll:

but seriously, I'm tired of people being too cool for school to watch ECW. It's like some people refuse to enjoy anything that happens on ECW just because it's ECW. Get over it.

screech 02-10-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432003)
Because "nobody watches ECW" and Jack Swagger is a "nobody" :roll:

but seriously, I'm tired of people being too cool for school to watch ECW. It's like some people refuse to enjoy anything that happens on ECW just because it's ECW. Get over it.

I agree. It's not that I'm "too cool" to watch ECW, I just keep forgetting it's on at 9 instead of 10. I know they changed that time months ago, but I always manage to miss it. Lately, though, I've been catching it more often. Like I said, this is definitely going to make me watch every week.

I will say, though, I hated Grisham's reaction. He didn't sound excited at all. Striker did a good job saving him with the awesome line: "This moment just became Instantly Classic!"

Innovator 02-10-2009 11:52 PM

ECW usually is the best WWE produced show every week

Kane Knight 02-10-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2431851)
Pretty sure Christian WAS the plan until just before the Rumble. Why they changed it, I don't know, but I do believe he was in for a push at one point.

Assuming the speculation was true, I'm pretty sure the reason they'd change it is to swerve us. Yay.

That's assuming truth, but it's not unlike WWE to take the logical progression and throw it in the trash to fool us.

Then again, Christian quit because Vince thought he was nothing more than a mid-carder. Why should this be different?

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2431900)
I'll file this thread under "Wrestling Fans Will Never Be Happy"

lolattemptedantrificialcontradiction.

Nark Order 02-11-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2431900)
I'll file this thread under "Wrestling Fans Will Never Be Happy"


Juan 02-11-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 2432034)



lol attempted antrificial contradiction.

:?:

Dorkchop 02-11-2009 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432003)
Because "nobody watches ECW" and Jack Swagger is a "nobody" :roll:

but seriously, I'm tired of people being too cool for school to watch ECW. It's like some people refuse to enjoy anything that happens on ECW just because it's ECW. Get over it.

I'm only too cool for school because school is shown at midnight on Friday (technically Saturday). If it aired in Canada the same time as it does in the States I'd probably watch regularly. ECW is never too bad. Wrestling wise it's usually pretty good.

Juan 02-11-2009 12:15 AM

Well, it's different when you aren't able to watch it, but when people completely dismiss it because "WWE doesn't give us a reason to care" is when it gets ridiculous.

Juan 02-11-2009 12:17 AM

I'm not saying people HAVE to watch ECW, but don't dismiss it and downplay what happens on ECW just because you CHOOSE not to watch or because it doesn't live up to your standards.

screech 02-11-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432056)
I'm not saying people HAVE to watch ECW, but don't dismiss it and downplay what happens on ECW just because you CHOOSE not to watch or because it doesn't live up to your standards.

Now that Christian is on, people MUST watch ECW.

Nark Order 02-11-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432047)
:?:

KK doesn't know what he said either, I wouldn't worry about it.

screech 02-11-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432052)
Well, it's different when you aren't able to watch it, but when people completely dismiss it because "WWE doesn't give us a reason to care" is when it gets ridiculous.

Having Mark Henry as the main guy really didn't help any. And having that damn silver belt doesn't either. It seems like everyone ignores that it's silver, too (especially WWE.com).

This probably has nothing to do with what you just said, I'm just bitching. I've always tried to tune in to ECW, but WWE doesn't seem to promote it very often, hence me missing the show quite a bit.

Juan 02-11-2009 12:40 AM

Not that it matters either way, but the belt is platinum, not silver.

Also, there are always at least 2 promos for ECW during the Raw telecast.

KYR 02-11-2009 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2432069)
Now that Christian is on, people MUST watch ECW.

Ergo, get him on your Radio show and then people MUST listen.

CSL 02-11-2009 12:43 AM

His music blows. Glad he's finally on TV though

screech 02-11-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Juan (Post 2432077)
Not that it matters either way, but the belt is platinum, not silver.

Also, there are always at least 2 promos for ECW during the Raw telecast.

I must always be in the bathroom during those, or I'm watching and doing something else at the same time.

screech 02-11-2009 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Know Your Role (Post 2432080)
Ergo, get him on your Radio show and then people MUST listen.

We already have The Macho Man, so why not? Our ratings would be through the roof.

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Originally Posted by CSLi Manning (Post 2432083)
His music blows. Glad he's finally on TV though

I don't mind the music so much, though I would've loved the original version.

thedamndest 02-11-2009 12:57 AM

Did you buy the Ariel pants?

Juan 02-11-2009 01:01 AM

ECW just ended here and I have to say, that was a good ass match.

Juan 02-11-2009 01:05 AM

Also, the ECW roster is starting to look really solid, sans Mark Henry and the Boogeyman of course.

thedamndest 02-11-2009 01:10 AM

Maybe they should have a Loser Leaves Town match.

KYR 02-11-2009 01:11 AM

Yeah, never understood the whole "Loser Leaves Town" match.

Don't the winners leave as well? :shifty:

(Well except TNA but we don't talk about them).

screech 02-11-2009 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 2432094)
Did you buy the Ariel pants?

I'm still whoring myself out to earn the money.

Juan 02-11-2009 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2432126)
I'm still whoring myself out to earn the money.

How much? :naughty:

thedamndest 02-11-2009 01:24 AM

The going rate is one pair of Ariel's pants.

Juan 02-11-2009 01:24 AM

:-\

Mr. C 02-11-2009 01:30 AM

What a waste. All they had to do was have Christian return on SmackDown this Friday night during a segment with Edge. That would've been awesome. Why couldn't he have beaten Edge on SmackDown?

KYR 02-11-2009 01:34 AM

Do you know Scot Delaney?

Hornicane 02-11-2009 01:54 AM

It makes sense to put him on ECW. After jumping ship he's not immediately going to get pushed into the main event picture, but he's too over to get shuffled into the midcard. The ECW title is somewhere in between, and a logical place to put him.

The return itself was weak sauce though.

James Steele 02-11-2009 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rated R Classic (Post 2432141)
What a waste. All they had to do was have Christian return on SmackDown this Friday night during a segment with Edge. That would've been awesome. Why couldn't he have beaten Edge on SmackDown?

Because Edge is the WWE Champion and #1 heel on SD! going into a PPV to defend his championship and probably get ready to headline the biggest WrestleMania of all time...

St. Jimmy 02-11-2009 03:12 AM

1) WHO BOOKED THIS, FIRE THEM.
2) His music is awesome.
3) At least he's back, ffs.
4) This is the first I've ever watched Jack Swagger, minus this program with Christian - probably the last.

Rammsteinmad 02-11-2009 03:23 AM

I personally thought it was a bit lame having him return on ECW. He could have at least been on Smackdown, but, none-the-less when his music hit the crowd went fucking nuts and it sent chills down my back. I'm glad he's got the same music (though slightly remixed) coz I always thought that suited him very well.

Rammsteinmad 02-11-2009 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Four String (Post 2432170)
he's too over to get shuffled into the midcard.

This IS WWE you're talking about y'know.

Hornicane 02-11-2009 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 2432211)
This IS WWE you're talking about y'know.

Oh. Right. Dammit. How long before he's stalking Taker's wife? :mad:

Mr. Nerfect 02-11-2009 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2431849)
I think it's rather funny how any of you thought he was going to be spoon fed into a main event programme. A height he never achieved in the first place, and after leaving for TNA.

Putting him anywhere near the Main Event will only legitimise TNA. Having him wrestle and fued for the ECW title is a clear message about how TNA is regarded by Vince.

I agree, to a point. I think it has more to do with Christian's previous status in the WWE than anything else. Look, the guy was not going to headline WrestleMania. Anyone that thought for a second that we were going to get a Fatal Four Way WWE Championship match between Edge, Christian, Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy is deluding themselves. This is coming from the guy who had hopes the WWE would utilise Val Venis before his release.

Sure, the plan may have been for Christian to be behind the Jeff Hardy attacks, but that was just fucking stupid. For starters, as you could see on ECW, the fans did remember, and did pop for Christian. Bringing him back as a heel was dumb, and would have been cutting his legs out from underneath him.

With Edge vs. Triple H seemingly being the only WWE Title match on SmackDown! worth a damn (unless they do Triple H vs. Randy Orton, which leaves RAW pretty barren), that leaves Christian out of the picture entirely. So I ask you: Why bring Christian back to SmackDown! at all? Especially when a live return would have been more impactful (and it was).

Sure, you could have put Christian on RAW, but then you have to fit him in with those programs. Who exactly would he have worked with? William Regal? Would have been great, no doubt, but it is also mid-card stuff. Something with JBL could have worked, well, in the promo department. I do not want to see that wrestling match.

Without a real top face for ECW, now that Matt Hardy is back on SmackDown!, bringing Christian back as ECW's top face is completey fine, in my books. Especially since it will lead to Christian winning the ECW Title, likely at WrestleMania. It's not like Christian has a life-sentence on ECW, either. As an ECW Superstar, he can appear on all three shows, and there is a draft coming up soon. I fully expect Christian to be drafted to SmackDown!, where he can then get involved in the Edge/Matt Hardy/Jeff Hardy stuff. It's not like their tag team history is just going to dry up.

The Mackem 02-11-2009 05:04 AM

I don't get it, people complain about not having any reason to watch ECW. I think they just gave a few people a reason.

Mr. Nerfect 02-11-2009 05:07 AM

The WWE is completely right to do this, in my opinion. It may not have been the absolutely most epic way to bring him back, but all those "epic" ideas start off big and then get narrow. They lack any real foresight. For everyone who says "It was so easy to bring him back to SmackDown!!1" I want to see how people would do it. How do you bring Christian back knowing:

a) He is going to get cheered to shit-house.

b) Triple H is main eventing the SmackDown! portion of the show.

c) Christian cannot main event WrestleMania. It makes no sense to bring back an upper mid-carder and suddenly pass them off as a WrestleMania headliner. There has to be some build.

It's just not a puzzle that fits easily together. If someone can do it, I'll give them rep, but it's so much easier just to do things the way the WWE is doing. And probably more beneficial. Especially when Christian becomes the ECW Champion.

Tornado 02-11-2009 05:07 AM

What Music did he use, wast it "At Last" or "If You Close Your Eyes"?


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