Oh yeah, I forgot, you're one of those "the computer cheats" retards

That is pretty epic.

God, if I didn't already have a GH5 guitar I don't use, two mics, and Smash Hits, I'd jump on that.

you will come to love it eventually. i played this and GTA4 on my brothers PS3 and then bought both for my xbox, and saints row is the one i still play now.

I am not a fan of abnormally difficult and infuriating things to do in games.

Like play with other people or behave yourself. If the races you've done are too hard, you might want to snap your disc in half now and be done with it. You will never complete most of the high end activities or top missions if you think the races are hard. And if you think what's being done to you now is unfair, the sheer amount of shit that will be thrown at you on a mission where you have full notoriety will probably piss you off to no end.

Especially since you're pissed they gave you a bunch of optional activities which do not even count to completion of the game at the beginning. how horrible that it offers an open city and choices of how to play it.

You got that backwards if I was new to sandboxes I would want to explore. I wasn't so I just wanted to play the missions.

I think you got me wrong KK, I didnt mean to insinuate that the race missions in SR2 are difficult, they are in fact not, I got second on my first try and 1st on my second try.

I understand the game will be frustrating at points, all games are because that is what the challenge of the game is. I know the races dont have to be done, what I am saying is that races in sandbox games usually tend to be extremely frustrating as the police/rogue vehicle/anither car always seem to screw you over somehow.

As for the end stuff pissing me off to no end, the only thing that still annoys me now is how rival gang members can pull you from a car at a decent moving speed, not fun when there is 5+ of them.

An example of ridicously difficult and infuriating things in games
- Hillary in GTA: VC
- 2nd Zero Mission in San Andreas
- Seymour on the Mountain in FFX
- Ninja Gaiden
- The fight against the dopplegangers in God of War
- 3 Leaf Clover in GTA4


Those kind of things, that usually require several dozen tries and usually only end when you have been very lucky.

I forget what was 3 leaf clover?

Where you and the McReary guys go and rob the bank and then have to run down alleys with constant police fire then have to race away before they catch you.