I would say the two subjects are related, as they are one in the same. T.O. is at the center of the team divide, pretty plain and simple.

I know Christmas is still a couple weeks away, but all I want is for someone on Baltimore to break at least one of the bones in Hines Ward's body this weekend. I just want to see Hines Ward rolling around on the ground in pain. That would be so erotic for me. I would rub 7 or 8 out to that image.

i will give TO the credit that while he's created a shit storm everywhere he's been, he's still given 100% on the field.

it's not like in Oakland or even Minnesota where Moss just stopped playing (he pulled the same crap the week after brady went down, wasn't down field blocking or running decoys).

TO doesn't do that crap.

There's a rumor belicheck wants to make a move for Ocho Cinco in the off-season..

A healthy brady with Cinco and Moss and Welker...

what are the odds though we make it through a full season with Cinco and Moss going at it?

A healthy brady with Cinco and Moss and Welker...? You will be a lock to win the Super Bowl in Madden 2010 for the Wii.

I think the Pats should make a move for Ocho Dumbo too. Let the Colts make the move for T.J. Houshmanzada. He's by far the better reciever and i think he's a FA next year.

Also, the Colts signed Najah Davenport. Might need to put locks on the closets and lockers.

talent for talent cinco > housh without question.

now, factor in the attitude issue and such... it gets a little closer.

I think grabbing Chad would be a great move for the Pats. I don't think he's a bad guy by any means. Marvin and the staff just let him get away with so much when things were going well and they couldn't corral him when things got bad. He's kept his mouth shut this entire season so far and you know there's been a lot he could've talked about with this team. I still think he's on his way out next season.

Also on the Chad/TJ debate:

hands: TJ
speed: Chad
routes: TJ
over the middle: TJ
outside: Chad
downfield: Chad
kick return: TJ

It's really a tossup. It just depends on what you're looking for.

I always found it interesting their first year together Marvin would talk about how Chad would wake him up at 3am with ideas of plays or things he saw in a game that went wrong and even said Chad was known to sleep at the facility sometimes to watch film overnight.

yeah, I think Chad could fit in well with Randy...

TO I don't think would cause while he always plays 100%, he's always demonstrated a "i want the ball" atittude eventually, where Randy and Chad's only issues have come up when there was nothing to play for.

Hahahahaha, one Cowboys fan vs. ESPN

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Is Brandon Jacobs ever going to play a full season?

He is destroying my fantasy playoff game this week.

Ocho Cinco wants to come to Washington for some reason.

Not sure why either. Might be because Snyder pays fucking huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

that cowboys fan v. espn was funny.

the sound tech handeled it right the other guy was a dick.

"you want me to have you removed"

"you can't i'm on public property"

the security shows up

"am i doing anything illegal?"

"No, you're not and we can't make you leave".

I think you're wrong. I think T.J blows Johnson out of the water. Honestly. T.J might be the most underrated talent the NFL has seen in years. The guy is the real deal. I pride myself on seeing these things. I told you Bob Sanders and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark would be superstars a long time ago. I watch a quite a few Bengals games ( why i dont know ) and i swear Houshmanzada is really really good. He's a top 5 reciever if Palmer is healthy and has time to throw. I would take him over T.O. I'd probably only take Moss, Wayne, A. Johnson and ... i cant think of anyone else i'd take ahead of him.

T.J. does it with Mr. Erratic, Carson Palmer ...and now whatever fucktard taking snaps for the Bengals now.


Would anyone be talking about Dallas Clark or Reggie Wayne if Jared Lorenzen was taking the snaps in Indy?

The highlight of the Colts season so far was the intense QB battle between Jerrod Lorenzon and Quinn Gray in the preseason.

LOL

Nah nah now listen... I'm the Audio Man...

Going to the bar again tonight for the Carolina game. Whooooo! Going to be good.

Tie game in Indy!!!

lol jake gets great penetration but there was a lack of backyard fill

Great stand by ATL after the botched punt.

JP Losman is the reincarnation of Kenny Stabler

lol

I would really, really like Atlanta to beat TB. I don't like either team but it would make life easier for Carolina.

ATL WINS A BIG ONE!

What a game. Both defenses at there finest. Abe and Burner came up HUGE today. The push for the playoffs continues!

Woooooooooo suck it Redskins

HERE WE GO RAVENS HERE WE GO

James Farrior just got knocked loopy by his own player. Beautiful.

The Bills give me no reason to renew my season tix.

LOL Cardinals.

WHAT THE FUCK WARNER WAKE THE FUCK UP FOR MY FANTASY

RAMS 4EVER

Unbelievable Chiefs choke job.

Unbelievable Rams choke job.

At least you didn't blow an 11 point lead.

God Shannon Sharpe is just beyond terrible. Every time he calls a highlight he stutters a ton and his timing is not even close to being in sync with the plays.

FUCK THE REDSKINS!

Fuck the Bucs.

JETSSS

Defense was embarrasing. Pretty depressing stuff with just over 2 minutes to go, then what a slice of luck.

Needed this win badly. Didn't matter how, just needed to to regain some confidence. Our fate is in our hands.

BTW, the Dolphins are so fucking annoying. They just keep winning, the bastards.

Way to go, Denver. Your greatly improving D just reverted back to where it was 2 months ago. All we need is to either win one or San Diego to lose one.

PPPPPAAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTTTTHHHHHHEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

It was the Panthers, dude. Denver was the underdog in this game and Cutler had to be flawless to come out of this alive. After I saw he threw an INT, it was probably done. We'll probably seal the deal next week against an off and on Buffalo team.

Thanks, Chefs. All you had to do was have a big game and put away the Chargers for us.

Steelers pull off another miracle.

<font color=goldenrod>God, I have a horrible feeling everything's come full circle. It was this game last year against the Skins where Shockey got injured and they turned it right around.......and now 1 year later they are stumbling to the finish line.

Reallllllly bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that they could wind up going 1 and done.</font>

God damn. Another dud. Got to give the Cowboys their due though. Tough one. I think the realization that missing Brandon Jacobs (and to a lesser extent Plaxico) is catching up to the Giants.

FUCKING EH COWBOYS WIN

Choice is a quick little fucker.

Overall I'm really happy for my Panthers at the result of all the games. Plus I saw some holes in NY that I think they can exploit. Good shit.

LOL what was Jeff Fisher doing?

Bironas is kicking lasers and he decides to have Collins throw a 20 yard pass to Justin McCareins, who coincidently just met Collins during the timeout...

Fisher said during warmups that the wind was so bad at that end of the field that Bironas couldn't even make 40 yarders. Still, you've got one of the best kickers in the NFL who's 4/4 on the day including a 51 yarder and your offense hasn't done shit all day. It's hard to question a guy like Fisher who I respect as much as anyone on any level of football, but I think he made a bad decision.

Not a big fan of the fact that the Falcons need help right now and could go 11-5 and miss the playoffs.

That would be balls.

Looks like it'll go to week 17 before we know if the Pats make the playoffs, assuming they don't lose next week and the Jets win. It's gonna be tough considering we're playing Arizona next, and Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald will probably set records for receiving yards against our miserable secondary.

Enough of the fuckin wildcat.

Wow this game is gay.

God damit, The patriots secondary sucks ass! to give up 20 odd points to a useless oakland raiders team is shocking.

Well it doesn't exactly matter when you reply with like 50 points of your own. That game was dead after the 1st quarter, that's not really a fair way to asses it.

Bret Favre, who leads the NFL in interceptions, was selected to the Pro Bowl. Phillip Rivers, who leads the NFL in TDs and QB rating, was not. Favre was not voted in by the fans, mind you, but selected as a backup. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

And Ryan Clady, a tackle who has allowed only .5 sacks and 3 penatlies so far this season, was not voted to the Pro Bowl. Meanwhile, Jason Peters (11.5 sacks, 8 penalties) is a starter

not even close to being the same thing

Dunno why John Abraham didn't get in, but eh. Of all the All Star games, I really care about the Pro Bowl the least.

Winner gets home field advantage in the super bowl

Only good thing about the Pro Bowl ever.

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Its FUCKING RACISM!

Pfft why does everyone always talk about the Pro Bowl. Who fucking cares.

So two weeks ago it was being reported that Adam Jones had suffered a season ending and possibly career ending neck injury.

He is now back at practice and will be starting this Saturday against Baltimore.

Someone deserves an award for that report. :shifty:

Ed Werder reporting.

Touche

someone dosen't like adam jones.....


that someone would be me :rant:

The MVP award was clinched tonight by Peyton Manning. They should award him next week.

Cassell to Moss to the Superbowl

Whoa Stima is back

going to the Giants/Panthers tomorrow night, more excited about the parking pass

RP - ESPN was saying today that Dungy may step down this year and there is a good chance he'll take over in STL...

can you explain to me, is ESPN talking out their ass or is their a reason for this?

Cause, even if he's not the GM in indy would you really leave one of the best teams in football to rebuild a team so you can have control of player personel? or is their something else, like his family is there or something?

Cause it doesn't seem to make sense..

Last time Dungy and retirement were mentioned together he was meant to want to go be a pastor, probably down in Tampa I think. I don't know that he's ever gone on the record as saying that though. Either way can't imagine him going to STL, makes no sense at all.

ESPN are idiots. Dungy doesnt wanna coach much more. If he leaves this year, he's done with the league. He's not gunna go rebuild another team. Dungy has been saying for a few years now that he wants to do more important things with his life, including being with his family. Theres no way at all that Dungy is coaching the Rams next season. It wont happen. Thats just ESPN reporting fake stories.

R.I.P. RCA Dome.

They said Dungy may step down and the Rams are looking to get Jim Caldwell. Not Dungy.

Cowboys just totally collasped there against the Ravnes.

How do you let two running bags go back to back touchdowns?

Yeah shit. The 2 losers of the AFC east won't make the playoffs unless they win the division. That is pretty rough. The Pats could go 11-5 and miss out. :cool:

yahh thats soo rough.. haha

wasn't what whoever they had on was saying when I watched it.

Talked about STL being a good fit and something he'd consider doing, which as we've all stated made no sense.

It is funny, especially where the AFC West team could be 8-8...

If the Chargers get in, i'll puke.

Theres nothing i want more then to play the Broncos in the Wild Card game.

Feeling is mutual

some cardinals players said when they got off the plane it was the first time they have ever seen snow...

KC up on miami.... nice... Miami loss this week and then they beat the Jets next week would be great.

but if the Pats win out and the Jets win out we have a better "common games" record and would win the tie breaker.

If the Phins win out, and the Pats win out, the Phins would get the common games tie breaker.

If the JEts and PAts both win out, the Jets would get in based on being 5-1 in the division. If the divisional records were to be tied, then it would go to common games which the Pats would have.

Everyone knows that.

Pats are gonna win today.

Well not everyone

On topic anyway, I am currently relegated to this Pats/Cards onslaught while there are at least 3 or 4 'good' games going on right now. It's nothing new and nothing that hasn't been complained about on many occasions, but still I would love to be watching Pitt/Tenn right now :(

You realize Pitt/Tenn is on CBs right now?

Nah because I always get the JEts/Giants/Eagles game.

So I am getting the Jets/Seahawks at 4, as well as the Eagles/Skins at 4. And since this week I get two Fox games opposed to two CBS games, BAM the only game on tv for me is Pats/Cards.

I thought you would be on the same setup as me, seeing as how I am really not far from Philly. Are only the Eagles on for you at 4?

http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/2008-16-CBS.html

Damn, I was actually shockingly close to getting Pitt/Tenn instead of Jets/Seahawks today. Don't think that has ever happened

Of course, I usually have Sunday Ticket, I didn't bother this year because I was at school for 13/17 weeks, so I really am not sure if that has happened in recent times.

NFC WEST CHAMPS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Holy shit @ Detroit. 1 game away from running the table...






... in reverse. :eek:

LMFAO RAMS

17-16. 1:22 left. CAN WE GET IN FIELD GOAL RANGE.

lol jk