Apparently their lead-in was about 1.5 million people. Ouch.

Not head to head, they both had less viewers.

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AEW beat NXT, but they still lost 200,000 fans in 2 weeks :rofl:

Wait, they had a 2 million viewer lead-in. 1.5 million is closer to what they lost. :lol:

3.33 for x-mas sd

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That seems like a very high number for them?

They took advantage of that NFL lead in through the Reigns/Owens match. I'm guessing they had a steady decline of people tuning out after that as they lost 1.5 from your 1 to your 2. Won't really know if they hooked anybody until next week.

The real win is that the outside of the wrestling bubble audience didn't shit all over the show, unlike what happened Wednesday.

Lmao Smackdown had more viewers in one night than AEW has had in the entire month of December

"Happened in the same month, it must count! Oh wait, that spin DOESN'T make AEW look good, so nevermind."

That is of course Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer logic :rofl:

AEW wins again. Holy shit. That’s awesome.

Change the fucking title, pussies. SmackDown dominates all.


Losing 1.5 million viewers seems pretty bad, but AEW lost 1.25 million with their smaller subsection.


Ah, who am I kidding? The cowards here won’t admit that SmackDown did well and AEW shat the bed.

Shirtless Roman Reigns draws more than a senior citizen in facepaint and a bloated alcoholic having a mid-life crisis. Big surprise.

LOL, absolutely bringing the heat!

Quadrupled the ratings, and MORE than 4 times better.

WWE wins again! Guess that Impact crossover isn't the draw T Khan thought it was :rofl:

Imagine thinking AEW was the hot ticket.

so you're saying closet homosexual wrestling fans are cowards?

I’m saying the bitches here are cowards.

wow, that's pretty serious

They’ll take it that way. They didn’t like it when I didn’t like Alexa Bliss as a wrestler.

Lolllllllll

AEW will be seen as TNA 2.0 in the future and no one will look twice at criticizing it. Right now? Wahhh.

This whole thread is "The shitty company I tolerate, is better than the shitty company you tolerate"

although I'm not sure if anyone here watches either show and just waits for the ratings to come out.

During the Grilling JR Podcast, Jim Ross gave his thoughts about what WWE's issues are with their product and why the ratings have been down. Ross noted one issue that the company has with their television product.

"They don't have anybody hot," Ross said. "They have nobody that has momentum. Nobody is on the proverbial roll. You can't start, stop, 50-50 booking, I'll beat you with a small package and then you beat me up; how do you get any [momentum]? 'He did the job so I have to give him something back,' what? Bulls--t. Not tonight, not now, it makes no sense."

Also, AEW standings for wrestlers with at least 5 matches in 2020:


14 with a winning percent of at least 80%. So NOT 50/50 Booking.

That must be why AEW is CRUSHING in the ratings, right Jim Ross???

He is a so full of shit.

This is where your “analysis” falls down.

He’s talking about an established brand (WWE) with established “stars” that nobody gives a shit about anymore and he’s suggesting one of the reasons why (by no means the only).

You’re comparing it to a company that’s been in existence just over a year, that has very little in the way of established “stars”, that nobody gives a shit about.

AEW are trying to establish stars using wins and losses. You can contest that they’re failing. Take out the guys that have their wins on Dark (Gunn, Allie, Abadon?) and you’ve pretty much got their top guys.

He’s not saying “Do this and you’ll smash it in the ratings”.

Here’s a guy that comes to mind; Daniel Bryan. First guy to throw his hat into the Rumble and “next inline to face Reigns” literally has a 50/50 win/loss record in 2020 (according to cagematch) and has a 2/2 in singles matches since returning in October.

That’s not to say he won’t start building momentum.

It doesn't though, because they aren't getting shit in the ratings. Even with AEW clearly pushing certain guys, nobody gives a shit about AEW as a company or their "stars". It's why Jim Ross has to constantly talk about WWE, because even his carny ass knows that if he ONLY talked about AEW, his podcast wouldn't draw shit either.

That is exactly what he is saying. WWE doesn't know how to book, and that's why they have lowered ratings.

Meanwhile AEW pushed the "wins and losses matter" from the very start, but somehow they have worse ratings?? If WWE's ratings are bad because of 50/50 booking, and AEW doesn't do that, what is the reason for lower ratings from Dynamite?

So even with the correct booking, AEW sucks so much they can't even draw what bad booking WWE does.

Great logic from JR as always :?:

Jericho posted a picture of him sucking in his gut and tagged it “#FatJericho @nba” before deleting it. His ego has been hurt.

Thought I was in the Obsolete Wrestling thread. My bad. Fans’ inability to accept that WWE did something better than AEW is exactly why a lot of people hate that fucking fan-base. Look at the title of this thread now. Look at how the fans reacted when Dylan Bostic confirmed stories about him not getting paid.

Good bump for RAW, 1.769 million


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*Raw climbs upward, beats Dynamite by even more*

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Raw goes a little up. Therefore, it’s reasonable to expect that AEW climbs a little bit too (even though it won’t beat Raw). Because this is how things go.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well over 1/3rd of its audience gone in just 3 years<a href="https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD">https://t.co/7f0bgSphoD</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://t.co/CYC3wsM2uE">pic.twitter.com/CYC3wsM2uE</a></p>&mdash; Blake Oestriecher (@BOestriecher) <a href="https://twitter.com/BOestriecher/status/1344383430352654337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

*It's incredible how much WWE has fallen. Will be dead in a few years.*

Look at these dude's editing my posts again.

You are exactly why I want AEW to go out of business, because I'll be most happy knowing you are crying in your basements, and you can't edit that away!

FYI, what I said was Raw still beats Dynamite!

AEW died before it was even born.

Yeah that's not what I said. People being butthurt again and editing my posts because I said Raw still gets more ratings than Dynamite.

Tony Khan probably killed Brodie Lee to pop a rating

Quoting myself, just so you will have to edit 2 posts if you want to be cute again.

AEW lost half it's audience since its debut

Lol, TPWW is so insecure.

How did I miss this post

People have been shitting on the WWE and TNA forever and a day. But when it’s AEW suddenly people should find something else to do with their time.

You don't even have to actually shit on AEW, just reply to a post celebrating the downward trend of Raw ratings to point out they are still higher than Dynamite, and fragile people can't handle it.

"DON'T NOT CELEBRATE RAW SUCKING WITH US BY REMINDING US RAW STILL OUTDRAWS DYNAMITE, YOU ASSHOLE!!!!"

The fan-base is so toxic. Look at what happened to Dylan Bostic when he confirmed that the company fucked up its pays. Anyone on here who say these people don’t exist or that people don’t have to deal with them — fuck you.

xrod and nerfect getting picked on by the neighborhood AEW bullies :eek:

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THE HUMANITY. THE PAIN

You never saw the end of that movie, did you? :rofl:

Lol. Where have all the good posters gone? Oh, that’s right — bad wrestling chased them away.

Are you referring to his nostalgia podcast with Conrad Thompson? AEW is a year old.

Also...

Don’t you constantly complain about people combatting AEW arguments with “BUT WWE...”? You’re literally arguing JR’s point with “BUT AEW...” and admitting to responding to posts about Raw’s Falling ratings with “BUT DYNAMITE...”

lol he can't even comprehend his own dumb shit

This situation is not the same. I am not countering a point somebody here made. I am however wondering why Jim Ross has all this great advice about what WWE is doing bad, while the company he actually works for is doing worse. Why can't he wait to talk shit when the company paying him is actually beating WWE? Answer, because he can't help himself, but that doesn't excuse the hypocrisy of it either.

JR knows he hitched his wagon to a sick horse. He’ll be out when either his contract is up or Tony Khan fires him and he gets paid out in full.

...

Try again...

He’s right.

Just because you’re a balanced poster doesn’t mean others are.

Look at BigCrippyZ for example.

I mean “JR doesn’t post here so my ‘BUT AEW...’ is acceptable.” is pretty weird but for the sake of focusing on the main issue I’ll just nod and agree on that one.

He’s not right. Those posts of his I quoted literally contradict each other. It’s clear as day and you know it. I’m one of your few supporters left. Don’t troll me, fucker.

No, that quote has nothing to do with the earlier post I made about JR's comments, that you replied to. It has only to do with posts being edited because my response was not

"haha YES!!!! Raw lost a 3rd of their audience in 3 years we are so Elite!!! CELEBRATION!!!!"

which was the wanted response, and instead all I said was

"still higher than Dynamite's ratings".

The fact that one simple sentence pissed somebody off enough that they went and edited my post has nothing to do with JR's stupid comments.

At least remember which of my comments you were arguing with.

Separate posts, JR is an ahole. Point 1

Other point, I purposely made a but AEW post on a very basic thing, and got edited after like 10 minutes because people are fragile.

I was originally arguing both points, genius. You decided to respond to the JR one because you figured out some weird excuse of JR not posting here but couldn’t think of an excuse for the other one that didn’t out you as a hypocrite. So I came back to that second one.

So let’s just say “Fuck JR” for now. Pretend I agree.

Here is the post where you do that exact thing...

Now are you going to try to come up with a reason that isn’t hypocritical, try to avoid the subject again, or just admit you’re a hypocrite?

Yes, 100% hypocritical by design. Meant to prove a point, which it did when it caused my post to be edited. But AEW made somebody so mad they took the time to actually edit a post.

So are you “just proving a point” every time you shoehorn AEW into a WWE conversation?

So now I can't bring up AEW when talking about WWE, or vice versa?

Tell the owner of the site to make an AEW only site, and I won't bring up WWE there.

You didn’t answer my question.

I’ll take that defensive response as a “no” though.

To answer your question, no I do not shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation.

whyyyy does any of this matter????? xrod, noid...it's a new year. go fucking run around the block or something..cardio!

There is literally 0 AEW total "fan boys" here outside of the last thread that was dedicated to Brodie jr.

I've called out the product and everyone I've seen post in the Dynamite threads do as well.

That wasn’t my question. At all. The words that I said were not “Do you shoehorn AEW into every WWE conversation?” You tried to avoid your hypocrisy by claiming that you “BUT AEW...” Raw ratings discussions just to “prove a point”. I clearly asked if that’s your motive every time you shoehorn AEW in. (For future reference.) You answered by saying you don’t always do it.

See what I mean when I point out your horrible reading comprehension and how it prevents you from having a rational conversation? You can’t ignore it by crying foul because I used NAUGHTY WORDS or called you names. Though that’s likely the next step because if you’re unable or unwilling to have that honest, civil dialogue you claim to want then I’m at least gonna have some fun with your posts, gosh darnit.

I’m getting to be an old softy. I got a much better response when I was just fucking with xrod, tricking him into admitting he was reading my posts and defeating him via forfeit in real fights. I went all soft and gave him another chance when everyone else had long given up. It seems to have bitten me in the ass.

I will never understand why rasslin fans, who very likely have no real stake in the game as it were, care so much about ratings.

Also this. The notion that this place is littered with AEW fans who smite you at the slightest criticism is laughable. Everyone who watches/posts in the threads realizes the show is not perfect and points out said flaws.

I swear it's something Noid & xrod have made up just so they can whine to us about...whatever their problem is.

I think Noid and xrodmuc are fantastic. Fighting against the propaganda machine that has become AEW and their fanbase.

Early numbers coming out that AEW drew 977,000 fans and NXT drew 585,000

Lmao Khan couldn't even milk a wrestlers death to break a million

AEW>WWE.

Only a blind loser living in their moms basement watches nxt and thinks it any good.

Name me a single star NXT has created?

Exactly. None. Bunch of jobbers who will be lucky if they maybe make it as a middle of the card tag team wrestler.

LOL What?!? Your words were am I proving a point, which no, because I don't shove AEW into every conversation about WWE. I in fact very rarely do, as I did above was more of a one off if anything.

Accuse me of shoving WWE into conversations about AEW at least, that happens pretty much every time because somebody else brings up WWE outta nowhere!

FYI, it's what got me banned, pointing out EVERY TIME WWE was brought up in a Dynamite thread.

Roman Reigns and Sasha Banks?

They both started in FCW

Most of WWE's big talent started in FCW, PWG, ROH or Japan/UK. They don't have a lot of homegrown talent.

Braun is probably the most successful person from NXT.

This is why demos don't matter in wrestling. This is what advertisers think wrestling fans are like

Jesus, fuck this topic title.

AEW wins AGAIN! Holy shit that’s crazy. How many weeks in a row? Like a zillion?

That is the fans WWE has lost.
That is the vocal AEW fanbase.
That is "Muh Demos".

Have xrod and Droford ever interacted with each other? That would be fucking wild.

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lol there are so many fat rasslin fans who are super obnoxious. To associate them with a specific company is incredibly stupid.

I like how the video is literally a guy watching WWE and xrod somehow labels him as a representation of “the vocal AEW fan base”.

Seriously, if Droford ever comes back we need to hook these two up in a debate about something. Anything.

xrod mentioned the Ravens one time. That's enough for Droford.

1.915 for brand blue this week

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SMH, a video from 6 years ago, that represents the fan base WWE has lost, which has become the current AEW fanbase. It's not that hard to understand.

I’d be willing to bet that guy still watches WWE. Whatever helps you shoehorn AEW into a conversation though.

Have you met my friend Droford?

Good week in the demos for the Brodie Lee tribute for anyone curious. I wouldn't read too much into this week though since it was a tribute episode, but they might have convinced a few people to come back this week.


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they'll draw their normal 850,000

Unless people really liked what they saw from Dark Order, maybe

WWE in the 500k range? Fuck that’s really bad no? RIP.

2.127

Legends Night did what it was supposed to

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Holy Shit, Hogan absolutely KILLING AEW in the ratings! Gotta hurt to see that!

"Whatcha Gonna Do Tony Khan, buy some more obscure 80's songs and brag about it on Twitter, when Hulkamania runs wild on you?!?!?"

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

After Kenny Omega showed up on Impact for a month, THEY NOW HAVE LOWER RATINGS THAN BEFORE HE SHOWED UP!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL What the hell guys, you told me he was the best and a giant star???

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