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Rob 08-30-2008 11:59 AM
Don't be so sure. Lesnar is by far a better wrestler, stronger and faster than Couture.

Kris P Lettus 08-30-2008 01:53 PM
I read that yesterday and think Lesnar has a really good shot at beating him.. That being said, I love Couture and wish him all the luck in the world..

Kris P Lettus 08-30-2008 03:18 PM
From Mike Swick's myspace this morning:

We filmed a TUF 1 reunion show today in Vegas for Spike TV. I think it went well. The only original cast they used was Griffin, Bonnar, Florian, Quarry, Leben, Southworth, Sanchez, Koscheck and myself. I think its going to air the day TUF 8 starts. Joe Rogan was the host and Dana was on hand as well.
Overall there was a lot of funny stuff brought up so I think you guys will like it!

I am almost healed from surgery and am pretty much training full on.
It still looks like I will be fighting in December but I will keep you guys up to date!

Take care!

-Swick

Kris P Lettus 08-30-2008 06:13 PM
Cheick Kongo ruled out of UFC 91 with shoulder injury

French UFC heavyweight contender, Cheick Kongo, who was last seen in action at UFC 87, knocking out debutant Dan Evensen in the first round, has been ruled out of action for a number of months with a shoulder injury.

Kongo is said to have suffered the injury before his last outing and fought through the pain but will now go under the surgeons knife ruling him out for the rest of the year.

This is of course a setback for the fighter who had got back on track after losing by split decision against Heath Herring earlier in the year. After his most recent win, he demanded he should be considered for a future title shot and was initially rumoured to be next in line for Brock Lesnar this November.

By Michael Pepper.

---------------

So it looks like the Couture/Lesnar fight might actually happen..

But let me ask you this, if Lesnar does fight Couture, technically, it would be for the HW Championship because they still introduce Nog as the "interim HW Champ"..

How would this work??

Rob 08-30-2008 09:25 PM
Would be a non title fight.

Kris P Lettus 08-31-2008 02:11 PM
Are they gonna publicly "strip" Couture of the title and stop saying "interim"??

Kris P Lettus 08-31-2008 02:21 PM
Quote:
According to a report in the Friday edition of New York Post, CBS was not too pleased with the second EliteXC broadcast on their channel and now rumors are starting to fly that CBS and the UFC are talking again about a deal.

But reportedly, the network was shocked by how badly the last fight, called "Unfinished Business," did in the ratings.

Despite a poor showing, CBS apparently does not want to give up on the idea of turning the sometime savage mixed martial arts into primetime fare.

Rumors have also resurfaced that CBS is once again in talks with UFC - the first and better-known of the competing fight leagues - to take over the timeslot.

Calls to UFC and CBS were not returned.
OMf'nG YUS

Rob 08-31-2008 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2268694)
Are they gonna publicly "strip" Couture of the title and stop saying "interim"??
From what I heard, Couture was talking over a new 3 year deal so the idea would be Lesnar first then the winner of Nog/Mir for the unification.

Could be a load of shit though.

McLegend 08-31-2008 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2267642)
To steal a line from another forum - "At least he knows how to drive on the left side of the road".
This is pretty funny.

HeartBreakMan2k 08-31-2008 10:39 PM
In regards to Lesnar, I love him, he's probably my favorite fighter in spite of his inexperience just because I followed him as an amateur wrestler while I was wrestling, but I in no way think he's a better FIGHTER than Randy, I do however think with his rather unique skill set his strength and speed may be too much for Randy on top of everything else.

Rob 09-01-2008 01:30 PM
At some point Randy's age has to catch up to him. And let's not kid around here, every heavyweight out there is going to struggle with a 280lbs fighter with the speed and natural strength of Brock Lesnar regardless of the skills they have.

HeartBreakMan2k 09-01-2008 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2269648)
At some point Randy's age has to catch up to him. And let's not kid around here, every heavyweight out there is going to struggle with a 280lbs fighter with the speed and natural strength of Brock Lesnar regardless of the skills they have.
Agreed, Randy is easily one of my favorite fighters of all time, but there are many people who I think can deal with Brock Lesnar at this point, especially if he continues to stay as composed as he did with Heath. That, and Randy's skillset doesn't match up well with Brock's. I think at this point you have to have a sick submission game to beat Brock, and Randy's never shown that. Then again, we've yet to see Brock get hit either.

Rob 09-02-2008 04:48 PM
Lesnar vs. Couture OFFICIAL!!!!!

Dana White just announced that on November 15th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas it will be UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture vs. Brock Lesnar. It will be a five-round fight for the title, and the winner will face the winner of December's Antonio Nogueira vs. Frank Mir Interim Title fight.

Kris P Lettus 09-02-2008 04:51 PM
Just saw and came in here to post this..

Quote:
HE'S BACK! UFC ANNOUNCES COUTURE VS LESNAR
Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - by Tom Hamlin - MMAWeekly.com

Amidst a groundswell of rumor and speculation concerning former UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture’s future, the Ultimate Fighting Championship on Tuesday announced that “The Natural” is indeed returning to the Octagon.

Couture will face rising star Brock Lesnar in the main event of UFC 91 in Las Vegas at the MGM Grand Garden Arena on Nov. 15. The fight will be a five-round, title bout, Couture’s first since resigning from the organization in October of 2007.

There was strong speculation the Nov. 15 event would take place in Portland, Ore., but UFC president Dana White said that despite ongoing negotiations to do an event in Portland, and future plans to do so, this fight would take place in Las Vegas.

In announcing the fight, White steered away from saying that Lesnar, with a 1-1 record in the UFC and 2-1, was the No. 1 contender for the heavyweight title. He offered no defense of the bout being for the title saying, “We can basically put on fights that fans want to see… Mark my words, Couture vs. Lesnar will be the biggest fight in UFC history.”

The announcement appears to have ended a legal battle between Couture and the owners of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, Zuffa, LLC, over the terms of his fight contract. Up until the announcement was made, the two parties were in arbitration proceedings to determine if and when Couture would be able to fight outside of the UFC.

Due to Couture’s absence, the UFC had crowned Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira its interim heavyweight champion. He is scheduled to defend his interim title against Frank Mir in December. White said that fight would still take place with the winner facing the winner of Couture and Lesnar sometime in 2009 to unify the heavyweight title.

Couture has reportedly begun training full time for the bout at his Las Vegas Xtreme Couture gym.

Stay tuned to MMAWeekly.com as we will have further in-depth coverage as the story develops…

Kris P Lettus 09-02-2008 04:56 PM
Couture's better all around but with Lesnars size he might just impose his will on Couture.. It doesn't really make sense anyway cause if Lesnar dominated, it'll be great for him, but bad for Couture, who is one of the best HW ever in UFC.. If he wins, it'll be bad for Lesnar who they are priming for a title run..

Happy he's back though..

Rob 09-02-2008 05:05 PM
I don't think it's bad for Lesnar at all if he loses. 4th MMA fight, for the biggest title in the sport and against one of the all time greats. It's win-win. If Couture loses (and I think he will), it's retirement time. Forget any fights against Fedor.

Innovator 09-02-2008 06:25 PM
CAPTAIN AMERICA IS BACK! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Lesnar is in a win win here. If he loses, he lost to Randy Couture. If he wins, then he's the champ...weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.

RP 09-02-2008 06:36 PM
I hope Lesnar gets destroyed and never fights again.

Stickman 09-02-2008 06:38 PM
So we have the Interim and Heavyweight champ? Sounds like the WWE when they had WCW and WWE champs.

Rob 09-02-2008 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder (Post 2271285)
I hope Lesnar gets destroyed and never fights again.
Start praying now then brother.

HeartBreakMan2k 09-02-2008 06:58 PM
I don't think any of you truly understand how thoroughly excited about this fight I am.

Reavant 09-03-2008 12:03 AM
Its not for the title though is it?

Innovator 09-03-2008 12:10 AM
5 round title fight

Winner fights the winner of the Mur/Nog fight

Kris P Lettus 09-03-2008 12:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 2271271)
Lesnar is in a win win here. If he loses, he lost to Randy Couture. If he wins, then he's the champ...weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.
Couture is not in a good position though.. If he beats Lesnar, people will just say he that much better than Lesnar right now, and it doesn't really add to his "legend".. At the same time this kills what potentially will be one of the best heavyweight of all time..

I dunno, I'm hype about this fight, I just hope it does good, not hurt the "revamped" HW division..

Rob 09-03-2008 07:12 PM
Couture needs to eat some humble pie though. He has been totally unprofessional through out this time.

Loose Cannon 09-03-2008 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 2271271)
weird that a guy with 3 MMA pro fights is fighting for the title.
and here I was thinking that I was out of my mind for having such a thought...

I seemed to spark a war of words when I said pretty much the exact same thing in the wrestling forum

Kris P Lettus 09-03-2008 11:04 PM
Fuck sake LC, as I said in that thread, I was talking to Xero more than anyone..

fuck

Loose Cannon 09-03-2008 11:16 PM
no, I'm not directly talking about you. I'm just saying that I found it funny to what the thread became.

Kris P Lettus 09-03-2008 11:21 PM
Well, at first it came across as wrestling fans "LOLing" at the idea that Brock is getting pushed this early.. While it is questionable, that is how the fight game works..

They were acting like this "exposed" something about MMA when most true fans know that this type of shit happens all the time..

Like BJ Penn is gonna get a shot at the Welterweight title when he hasn't fought in that weight class for awhile and lost 2 of his last three fights at welterweight..

(someone tell me if I'm wrong)

Shit happens cause Penn vs GSP is gonna put asses in the seats just like Couture/Lesnar..

Kris P Lettus 09-03-2008 11:37 PM
Quote:
Kurt Angle Still Interested In Doing At Least One MMA Fight

Setana Sports has spoken to Eric Hibler who is one of the trainers at the Pittsburgh Fight Club in Angle's hometown in Pittsburgh PA and he tells Setana that Kurt has been training and would like to have at least one MMA Fight before he is unable to:

“Kurt is an international superstar with a very busy schedule. When Kurt is in town he does train here,” Hibler revealed.

“He's very low profile and easy to talk to. Everyone likes him and he's the man when it comes to fired-up hard workouts.”

“Kurt is an amazing open-minded individual and his ability to focus on a task is world class, no matter what we are working on. However, MMA even though it relates, is very different from wrestling.

“Kurt must relearn strategy and tactics for better game play with real fighting. On the other hand, Kurt is a trainer’s dream. He was born to train and compete.

“For now, his wrestling gives him excellent penetration ability for takedown transitions and a strong ground sense to help his positioning for ground-and-pound and submission set-ups.”

“Kurt's planning to participate in at least one MMA fight when he gets the right offer.

“To date he has not signed with any fight promotion.”
Shit..

Also, WTF is this??

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LOL

Rob 09-04-2008 01:18 AM
Angle has a hell of a headbutt.

Kris P Lettus 09-04-2008 01:42 PM
Sylvia says he'll help train Couture for Lesnar..

Quote:
What are your thoughts on Brock?

He's a beast. It's one of those things every four years or so we get a really good monster wrestler like Mark Coleman or Dan Severn. When Dan Severn first came along he was unstoppable. That's what Brock Lesnar is. He is an amazing athlete, amazing wrestler and he's huge. Now's the time to fight him while he's still learning.


Did you work out with him?

He came up for a couple of weeks. I had my elbow taken care of so I didn't get to work out with him but some of the guys did.

Who is your pick for the Randy Couture Brock Lesnar fight?

Randy always rises to the occasion. I would never bet against Randy. I want Randy to win.


You guys are friends aren't you?

Oh yeah, I actually texted him earlier and told him I'd come out there and help him if he needed me to.

Rob 09-04-2008 05:19 PM
Why the hell would Couture need Sylvia for anything other than a human punching bag?

Crimson 09-04-2008 07:31 PM
lol..yea right, as if Sylvia can mirror Lesnar's power and speed .

Kris P Lettus 09-04-2008 11:02 PM
He is big..

Impact! 09-05-2008 12:16 PM
So um Rampage V Wanderlei? Any truth to this rumour?

Kris P Lettus 09-05-2008 01:03 PM
Haven't heard that yet..

I did just read a wrestling forum poster saying that the Undertaker would do fine in MMA since he's the toughest guy in the WWE locker room..

LOL

Rob 09-05-2008 05:10 PM
Thiago Silva has pulled out of his fight with Lyoto Machida in England next month. Meant to be injured.

Karo Parysian is also out of his fight tomorrow night injured. I least I don't have to watch his boring ass now.

Stickman 09-05-2008 06:28 PM
[QUOTE=Rob;2273952]Thiago Silva has pulled out of his fight with Lyoto Machida in England next month. Meant to be injured.

QUOTE]



Can't say I"m terribly disappointed. I hope they don't find anybody for Machida to fight. Hate watching him.

Rob 09-06-2008 01:36 PM
You ain't the only one. I heard there is a strong chance that if Dan Henderson gets through tonight injury free that he will be fighting Machida instead.

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2008 04:52 PM
My site MMAturf.net is doing streams of the fights tonight, FYI..

We need more posters..

:o

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2008 04:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2274721)
You ain't the only one. I heard there is a strong chance that if Dan Henderson gets through tonight injury free that he will be fighting Machida instead.
Dangerous Dan is gonna push Machida's shit in..

Rob 09-06-2008 06:45 PM
UFC is on Setanta Sports in the UK now so I get the shows for free. I doubt I'll stay up anyway. Looks like a DVR job.

Fabien Barthez 09-06-2008 08:50 PM
Jesus. You miss a few days of following MMA news and crazy things go on!

Lesnar is going to give Couture a bad time I think, but I'll never bet against Randy. How the fuck can you?

Fabien Barthez 09-06-2008 10:21 PM
krisp, that stream is shit.

Anybody got a good one?

HeartBreakMan2k 09-06-2008 11:05 PM
http://www.mmashare.com/mma-live-stream-free.html

Enjoy Fabien

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2008 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2275035)
krisp, that stream is shit.

Anybody got a good one?
Pay for it, asshole..

MMAturf was started cause MMAshare is shit, FYI..

Kris P Lettus 09-06-2008 11:59 PM
Oh yeah, I was working with this dude is is a local pro MMA fighter.. He fight for Gracie South and has been to all kinds on MMA events and was even in a few fights sponcered by UFC..

Anyway, he got a text alittle while ago, while we were at work saying that Couture is gonna fight Fedor.. I haven't gone to look yet, but is there any truth to this??

Danny Electric 09-07-2008 12:27 AM
wow

Fabien Barthez 09-07-2008 12:34 AM
Oh my god. I thought Chuck was dead. Sickest knockout ever. Rashad was winning the round as well. Insane.

Fabien Barthez 09-07-2008 12:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2275101)
Oh yeah, I was working with this dude is is a local pro MMA fighter.. He fight for Gracie South and has been to all kinds on MMA events and was even in a few fights sponcered by UFC..

Anyway, he got a text alittle while ago, while we were at work saying that Couture is gonna fight Fedor.. I haven't gone to look yet, but is there any truth to this??
Why would they sign that BEFORE he fights Brock? Asshole.

Rob 09-07-2008 12:46 AM
Fedor has 2 fights left on his Affliction deal. Until those fights happen or the company goes under, he is in no legal position to fight for the UFC.

Chuck Liddell's career is over now. That KO was brutal.

Rob 09-07-2008 01:08 AM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1972/whcrk8.jpg

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:13 AM
Damn..

Gonna go watch the fight now..

RIP Chuck

:(

McLegend 09-07-2008 01:14 AM
That was fuckin awsome.

He got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!!!

Damn...

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:14 AM
Not up yet..

:(

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:15 AM
What round??

Could someone give me a breakdown of the fight??

Also, did Henderson win??

Rob 09-07-2008 01:17 AM
Apparently he is still on oxygen now.

So weird too because aside from Kalib Starnes, I've never seen a fighter run more than Evans so much in a fight.

Rich Franklin might have a chance at 205lbs if Evans is knocking out guys. Only problem here is that Anderson Silva is there too. Oh well, nevermind eh!

McLegend 09-07-2008 01:18 AM
Chuck got cut in the first round, but not much action took place. Chuck might even have won the 1st round.

Then Chuck was trying to throw in upper cut in the 2nd round. The thing is though he is old and slow, and left himself wide open for a devastating overhand right :lol:

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:18 AM
:wavesad:

Rob 09-07-2008 01:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 2275188)
What round??

Could someone give me a breakdown of the fight??

Also, did Henderson win??
Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!

McLegend 09-07-2008 01:22 AM
That was beautiful.

Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 01:23 AM
Damn..

Did he break his ribs or summat??

Vastardikai 09-07-2008 01:49 AM
Kris P, from the sound of it, he got the liver.

also, holy fuck what a punch!

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Kris P Lettus 09-07-2008 02:17 AM
sick

RP 09-07-2008 07:34 AM
Rashad Evans is easily one of my favorite fighters all of a sudden.

Dear Dana White,

Please retire that sad sack of old washed up shit now please. Thanks

RP 09-07-2008 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275197)
Evans 2nd round. 1st round was Evans constantly running on the back foot rarely throwing anything. Liddell was sitting there waiting to tee off his right hand. BORING.

2nd was more of the same until a knock out that came from nowhere.

Dan Henderson won a decision. He did well on his feet but was very nearly caught in a knee bar at one point. Did what he had to do against a very strong BJJ fighter.

Rich Franklin looked good at 205lbs too. KO'd Hamill with a kick to the gut. Seriously he did!
Liddell is a counter puncher. Ofcourse Evans was running. When Liddell has to chase someone and punch, he gets rocked like that. It was the same thing in the Rampage fight. Chasing is not his game. Evans outworked him strat wise and knocked him the fuck out.

RP 09-07-2008 07:41 AM
I'm shocked Liddell wasnt ready for this fight. With all the intense training he must have did.

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Fabien Barthez 09-07-2008 07:43 AM
Agreed. Once Chuck was forced to pressure and make the first move, he was taking more punches than he was landing. And then it was the same thing that got Chucks head smashed into Joe Rogans lap.

RP 09-07-2008 07:43 AM
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ROFL

Still love this guy. I dont care how mental he is.

Rob 09-07-2008 08:11 AM
I need to find the clip on Rampage dancing on the streets of Manchester.

RP 09-07-2008 08:23 AM
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Crimson 09-07-2008 01:38 PM
Didn't Forrest and Evans fight already?

HeartBreakMan2k 09-07-2008 01:40 PM
I can't find a video of Franklin finishing Matt.

Destor 09-07-2008 04:17 PM
Anyone know where I can the fights steaming online?

Doomsday Jezus 09-07-2008 04:41 PM
Go to www.mmashare.com and theres a forum with all the fights vids streaming in it.

Reavant 09-07-2008 08:23 PM
Its confirmed on mmajunkie that evans will now fight griffin

Rob 09-07-2008 08:33 PM
That fight is NO BUYS

Destor 09-08-2008 01:04 AM
seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275812)
That fight is NO BUYS
Are you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.

Impact! 09-08-2008 01:24 AM
Hope to God Griffen wins...Also is it just me or does Rashad remind anyone else of Foreman (House)

Kris P Lettus 09-08-2008 02:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destor (Post 2276515)
seems like Krispy posted a site that had streaming vids that was REALLY good, anyone remeber what it was?

Are you sying it wont draw? Gotta disagree if thats the case.
MMAturf.net

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2275812)
That fight is NO BUYS
Well, it's the most legitimate option for the title, and between them they have beaten Shogun, Rampage, Liddell, and in Evans case, he never really lost to Tito.

Are there 4 bigger names at LHW (besides Silva.... when he is there) you can beat to make it to the marquee fight? And if not, who the fuck have you got to destroy?

Impact! 09-08-2008 07:23 AM
Forrest V Wanderlei WAR

Impact! 09-08-2008 07:24 AM
Hell I'd rather see Forrest V Stephan Bonnar again than Forrest V Rashad...

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:57 AM
Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.

Reavant 09-08-2008 09:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276783)
Well, When Wanderlei or Bonnar can KO Liddell, then I will have no arguments.

Forrest is the champ. And as a result has to fight the top contenders. And both Wand and Bonnar aren't even close to that right now.
what does that matter? you realize brock is fighting randy for the title and hes only had 3 pro fights and only won 2 of them.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 11:39 AM
Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?

Reavant 09-08-2008 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276884)
Yeah, and Lesnar beat a contender in his last fight, and with Mir and Nog tied up, who else is there in the division? Kongo? He has been avoiding Lesnar since BEFORE the Herring fight.

The Heavyweight division is completely uncomparible to 205 right now. Fact is, Lesnar is legitimately the strongest available challenge for Couture.

As for 205, the division is so deep with quality fighters with strings of results behind them that the fight has to go to the top contenders. Without any real established contenders left in Heavyweight, it goes to the next best guy.

So yes, I do realise that Brock is fighting for the title with only 3 previous pro fights. I also realise he is a monster, with massive drawing power, and a massively dominating victory over one of the divisions biggest players.

Do you realise that Heavyweight and Light Heavyweight divisions in UFC right now are so vastly different that your arguing point might as well been about bass fishing?

Ummmm and lets see who could Randy fight that would be legitimate in the Heavyweight division???? who has beaten two contenders and was gauranteed a title shot?

Fabricio Werdum? forget about him?

And herring is one of the biggest players?! WHAT!? Hes won only 2 of his last 5 fights. He beat Brad Imes and barely beat Kongo via split decision. He fucking lost to Jake Obrien! He was in no way a "big player"

So Wanderlei hasnt beaten a contender? did he not just KO Jardine in his last fight? Or did you not consider Jardine a contender? Jardine didnt knock out griffin or beat Liddel.... Oh wait he did both of those things!

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 12:32 PM
Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.


Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.

You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.


So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.

Any more?

Rob 09-08-2008 02:50 PM
At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
Jardine, who lost to Houston Alexander in between those fights? If losing to O'Brien affects Herring's legitimacy, then beating Jardine is no coup, by your reasoning.
aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
Wand, who lost 3 on the trot before that? Wow. a 25% win average over 30 months. I don't think so.
Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.

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Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez (Post 2276913)
You can argue Werdum, but he comfortably lost to Arlovski last year, and has since beaten Gonzaga, who other than one peachy headkick to CroCop. has never beaten anybody worth mentioning, and Brandon Vera, who is now at his more comfortable 205.

So that is one guy. Who I don't think is really, anymore eligable than brock right now.
Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 2276966)
At light heavyweight, Rampage should have gotten a rematch before anyone got a title shot. And it pains me to say it but if didn't, it had to be Evans or..... Machida. I know I've said it. I feel awful really. Maybe Forrest can kill him though.

By the way, Tito Ortiz must have the biggest smile on his face right now. Griffin, Evans and Silva are all huge rematches now and they just lost a huge star in Liddell. Let's face the facts, his career is over. You'd still get something out of Tito.
Yea and Rampage probably would have had he not gone off the deep end.

Tito's style of fighting promotes longevity in the fight game. Chucks style only works when ur fast and hes slowing down a lot. If this last fight with evans took place with a chuck from a couple of years ago Id say evans would have been sleeping.

Rob 09-08-2008 03:25 PM
If it took place in London like it was meant to, it would have been Evans sleeping. Unlucky for Chuck it didn't.

Reavant 09-08-2008 03:32 PM
haha... Im sure that hamstring tear had a lot to do with his performance too, he looked a little flat on his feet.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 2276974)
aside from the fact that jardine was knocked out and herring lost a unanimous decision. Now I know that you are going to be like BUT A KNOCK OUT IS BETTER THAN A DECISION! in which case let me tell you in this case it is not. If you stand with Alexander for more than 9 seconds apparently, you have a very good chance of getting knocked out. Noone knew who he was when Jardine fought him. Herring let himself get taken down and controlled by a very poor wrestler for 15 minutes. If you spend umm lets say 10 minutes on your back, you should prolly change up your plan to win the fight.


Wait you mean someone who hasnt won a lot of fights recently shouldnt get a title fight? Umm... Lesnar's first fight was a fucking can... the guy taped without taking a single clean hit. That said hes 1-1 in the UFC and against legitimate competition. Wanderlei silva is 32-8. His status alone leaves him one or two wins out of contension. Had Chuck bet Jardine, he would have been back in a title match, Had Silva beat Chuck in his Debut, he would be waiting for a title shot right now.


Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter. See you can argue that Gonzaga has never really beaten anybody and thats kinda true, but he has also never gone the distance in a fight. He has finished everyone that he has ever fought and only lost to two different people (randy and werdum). He wasnt just beating these "no names" he was dominating them. Call him a gatekeeper if you want, but the truth is, hes a very good heavyweight fighter. Brandon Vera might be a comfortable 205 right now but until his loss to big tim, he was cleaning up the heavyweight division including a fight with mir. But you can keep trying to say Werdum is not legitimate so you dont have to admit your wrong, I dont care.
Keeping it short....

The difference in training and motivation in Herring pre and post Jake O'Brien are very well documented. He stepped up after that fight to be considered a contender.

Jardine and Greg Jackson openly admitted they knew Houston Alexander is a fast starting, hard hitting one dimentional fighter. Jardine just lost. The article is on Sherdog somewhere.

Not winning many fights because you haven't had many is much different from not winning many fights because you keep losing them. I don't doubt Wand, being a legend with a solid record only needs another win to put him in line, but he hasn't got it yet.

Arlovski being a top 10 Heavyweight means that that loss mattered and matters. It was his toughest opponent to date, and Werdum lost. Just because a guy leaves the promotion, doesn't mean his record vanishes.

You can talk about Vera beating Mir, and fair enough. It is his best win. But we all know How lucky Frank is to even be in the position he is now in. He sucked pretty bad the 2 fights previous.

Fact is, Rob is right about the LHW's, Wand needs another win.

As for the Heavy's, Randy's biggest conflict is about money, they have to put him in the biggest draws to make the right money for him to fight. I think Lesnar is quite lucky getting this fight, but he wouldn't have got it had he not been nearly as dominating against Herring. Werdum I don't think would represent the top guy in the division. Lesnar could.

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:16 PM
Oh, and this cunt negged me for saying things that were true and dismissing his poor arguments against. Fuck you Reav, you stupid dick. :foc:

Fabien Barthez 09-08-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 2276974)


Well Arlovski is no longer in the UFC so in terms of title contention in the UFC that loss doesnt matter.
Call me a dumbass? You stupid motherfucker.

Crimson 09-08-2008 08:49 PM
Sign Undertaker to the heavyweights to balance it out.

Innovator 09-08-2008 11:16 PM
Evan Tanner is dead at age 37, he was found in the desert

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...=7059&zoneid=2

Kris P Lettus 09-09-2008 12:03 AM
wow

Horrible news..

:(

rip


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