AEW 667,000
NXT 641,000


Maybe Khan should kill Lee's son to boost ratings.

I'm surprised either are that high tbh, I figured news would send both below 400k.

He can just buy him a new son. One from Japan.

Huge victory for THE ELITE RASSLIN COMPANY. AEW much better rasslin than Dubya Dubya EEE

Another week. Another win. Yawn.

HOLY SHIT!!! How do you have your champion's first title defense AND the return of your former champion and LOSE 310,000 viewers???

He made new memes guys. AEW is finished

I wouldn't worry about new memes, at least I still watched most of the show.

You might want to figure out where 310,000 fans went though :rofl::rofl::rofl:

All I know is NXT didn't just lose 310,000 viewers from last week :'(:'(:'(

I’ve seen people blaming the news. This is despite NXT actually seeing an increase in ratings. It was 1.3 million people watching wrestling on Wednesday. That’s maybe a couple of thousand less than what usually do. The floaters tuned out. Otherwise, it was just really, really close between exploitative old Dynamite and boring old NXT. M

Only a moron doesn't grasp viewers watching news on that day

Not hard to believe NXT is still losing week after week to AEW Dynamite, which is such a great show most weeks. Did you guys get to see that german? Fucking hell that German drew some of the biggest ratings for AEW, NXT and WWE have never seen anything like that before, or Snoop's Splash which totally dominated WWE and NXT. Nobody can say that NXT beat AEW that's for sure, that's because most weeks except I think two or three AEW has dominated the ratings over NXT and WWE. And when it comes to fan engagement it's easy to see that AEW is dominant over WWE and Vince McMahon who may be able to have an AI audience for his shows but isn't able to program the AI to engage in social media so he loses again week after week being listed under AEW and Dynamite on social ratings. It really is incredible how WWE loses to AEW on so many metrics even though they have a programmed AI audience and defenders on forums like this that don't even watch the product but defend it so dearly because the programming hacks their shit so hard. Hahaha man that german was sick and drew super high ratings. Can't stop AEW because they have Cody and Mox (who rocks), Kenny and The Bucks. Don't forget Sting who outdrew Sheamus and Hogan and all he did was come out and look at Darby.

NXT basically put a Takeover on, they should have gone up.

Gertner will give you a lollipop.

Some people can't handle the truth

Or the opinions of others for that matter.

Lol, here comes the Twitter ditz. Since you’re insulting people first, I have no problem reminding you that you are nothing but an empty-headed fame-chaser who is confused by their own thoughts and confuses them with intelligence. Stay in your lane. You talk to people on Twitter and ask them what they think. You don’t think. It’s not what you’re good at.

1.3 million viewers for wrestling on Wednesday. It’s down by maybe 200k. When has a Wednesday done significantly more? It hasn’t. Wrestling fans watch wrestling. The news is on all the time. They have it in their pockets. They don’t have to stop watching their bad dramatics to watch every single second of the news, dude. And they don’t. It’s never been that way. It’s made-up shit by Meltzer and Alvarez.

I wouldn’t call you a fucking idiot so readily, but you calling people morons for actually understanding something set me off. Fuck you and check yourself.

At this point I’m actively rooting for AEW to get a bullet between the eyes. I had ZERO clue what NXT was doing. I’m sure it helped them (as did an apparent overrun — something AEW still can’t secure), but imagine if they actually, you know, hyped it?

They absolutely can’t. They think they’re in a war when the number of people watching on Wednesday has remained almost exactly the same. WWE has secured its future enough that they are now offering Matt Riddle less money than Mike Bennett to stay with them. Because where the fuck else are you going to go?

This thing is a shart.

Noid or should I called you ALIENOID14 since that is the amount of teeth you have in your skull after rough sucking XRods e-cock? You DO NOT have any right to speak to The King of the Wrestling Forum and the Prince of Tpww like that. I am drafting banning articles effective immediately and you can expect to see a big red x every time you sign into the rasslin forum to spread your fascist rhetoric and try to influence the vulnerable members of this great forum. You have crossed a line Alienoid and you will feel the force of the banhammer when you get Rob
Ban Terminated out of this forum through a wooden banner covered in ban tacks wrapped in ban wire.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Amazing promo. Love it.

But let me tell you something. I cut my 14 teeth trying to learn and understand wrestling at these forums. I got spanked, I got punched — I HAD to learn. Now I stand here while the Kane Knight’s, Rob’s, road doggy dogg’s, Skippord’s, Tovo’s, CSL’s and Xero Limit’s don’t. I thought I wanted to take them all down on a loopydate, but now I realize that what I wanted to cut down to make myself is what I want back.

Gone are the days of logical wrestling discussion. Gone are the days of people who half-way knew what they were looking at. Gone is the guilt and gone is the innocence. All that is left is cosmic justice, and the gavel comes down on modern professional wrestling and the people who profess it is good.

Enjoy what you enjoy, but do not push poison to me and tell me it’s chocolate.

The perfect summation of all your posts.

Every time real world shit happens, AEW ratings drop, NXT ratings remain roughly the same because their base doesn't seem as interested in the real world.

Jordan X dropping a great promo, he has CENA NUFF

Oof. Nice try. But oof.

Yes, anytime anything else exiting happens, AEW fans bail. Clap, clap. Good point.

Fucking idiot.

AEW fans care about the real world, which consists of Aliens and Dinosaurs, Pandas and Zombies, and Sting's mythical ability to control the weather. The real world where falling in Orange Juice is devastating and a wrecked Mini Van is fighting words. The real world where people just add random flips to everyday things. Why just put a letter in the mailbox by opening said mailbox when you could instead do a cartwheel then backflip and then open the mailbox instead.

Real World Stuff...

:lol: Noid complaining about lack of logical discussion when his entire gimmick has been "what you like sucks and you're shit for liking it" for like two years.

Cody a huge draw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thursday's series premiere of &quot;Go-Big Show&quot; on TBS marked the best unscripted series launch at the network in three years. <a href="https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md">https://t.co/0Kq2c5v4Md</a></p>&mdash; TheWrap (@TheWrap) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWrap/status/1347670569882431494?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FALSE!

Cody + Snoop on AEW = 644,000 Rating

Go Big Show = 1,000,000 Rating, which AEW doesn't get with Cody + Snoop

Therefore, the only logical and rational conclusion is...

Rosario Dawson and Jennifer Nettles are the huge draws.

AEW Loses AGAIN!

Damn nice @go big show

I have no interest in that show, but clearly lots of people do. Good for them.

SD - 2.002 million

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Oh wow, 3 and a half times more than AEW.

That's what happens when you put on a great product: people will watch over the news if it's good.

I keep changing the thread titles to reflect the truth but the Misinformation Police keep changing it back. It really hurts them badly how stagnated AEW's ratings are.

You mean how they wrote AEW holds strong, even though they lost 310,000 viewers LMAO!

"OHHHHH OHHHHH BUT THE NEWS!!!!"

Maybe they should have paid CM Punk what he wanted :rofl:

Where’s the lie? I can explain why Matt Hardy, Alexa Bliss and AEW all suck. I have many times. All you lazy cunts have is mocking me for it. How about an actual argument?

Nope? Okay. Move along, bitch.

SmackDown being the best wrestling show on television, both in terms of commercial success and creative, is an indictment on modern wrestling.

Why counter argue when they can just say "oh fuck you fuckwad stupid asshole!" ???

It's a genius level of clapback, because you get 2 or 3 other people to do it with you, then you are UNSTOPPABLE!!!!!

Seriously though, how come Smackdown triples AEW in ratings? That's not very Elite :rofl:

:lol:

I get that there is a whole gimmick taking place here. But in case you actually care about what you are constantly trolling about...

Why is Smackdown rated higher than AEW? Because it's on Fox which is a network meaning available via antenna so people who don't pay for cable can watch the channel for free. USA and TNT are cable channels meaning you have to pay a cable company to watch the channel. That's also why Smackdown is rated higher than Raw.

Raw is the flagship show in all of pro wrestling to the majority of fans in my expert opinion. It has been on cable for nearly 30 years. WWE has been the top wrestling promotion in the US and the World for nearly 40 years. The brand recognition is obvious. The majority of fans on this forum and online have been begging for a new company to take 2nd place to WWE. Nobody in their right mind could ever expect within a couple of years for WWE to be losing ratings to a new company. But in many ways AEW has superceded all expectation of a new company. They have a years long tv rights deal that has them financially set to the point they can operate without fans and still pay top tier talent. They have more PPV buyers than any wrestling company in the world. And every Wednesday night for the past year with the exception of two or three they have soundly defeated WWE programing.

Whatever your disdain for flip flop and fly or a different style of booking... Whatever your issue is you really don't make any productive points on it. It would be make the board much more interesting if you could actually take the time to put out well thought out critique or talking points.

Not trolling the actual ratings.

100% real question is why is it alright to brag about AEW getting 700,000 viewers, but Smackdown triples that and it is diminished and excused, as you just did?

I don't care one bit about ratings, but if 700,000 is cause for celebration and bragging, then 2.1 million cannot be glossed over just because it's not AEW.

Also, they do not have more pay per view buys. WWE Network has what, 1.5 million paid subscribers? That's another case where you are framing success based on a tiny piece of data that does not represent the full story.

100,000 people bought and watched All Out. 1.5 million people are purchasing and watching WWE Network each month, which includes their PPVs. Just because WWE isn't selling PPVs through cable companies doesn't mean AEW has a bigger fanbase.

Just like a show being on Fox vs TNT doesn't mean AEW is doing better with less viewers. It is such a skewed way to interpret it.

You have some points but none of this is worth fighting for. We'd all like for AEW to be getting 1.2 or more every week but it does fit into the bigger picture. Smackdown in it's height on UPN averaged in the 4.0 area, Raw even higher with obvious peaks that were much higher. This is with the time though, no streaming, if you wanted to watch it you had to watch it live or set your tv and vcr up to record. Which still registered as a live watch. Cable overall is down at this time, thus WWE is down. But with that adjustment they are still doing some of the biggest numbers on cable. And with the current situation AEW is one of the top rated entertainment shows on Wednesday night every week. So even though we'd all prefer wrestling to be scoring better, in reality it's not that bad. I'm still dealing with years of abuse from WWE, so are many others and thus naturally we are mostly on board with the new product that engages our nostalgia and lust for exciting action and stories that are for wrestling fans. WWE is still geared to pleasing Vince and that is the big difference when it comes to fandom for AEW. I don't think anyone here wants WWE to fail, but while it is spiraling downward (creatively) as it has for years, we are more than pleased to enjoy AEW, which for the most part WE are the target audience for.

If you ever want evidence that Dave Meltzer is a biased cunt actively spreading disinformation to people, look at how AEW’s PPV “success” has been covered. Meltzer deliberately conflates worldwide data with other promotions’ domestic and terrestrial success.

AEW received about 75k domestic buys through all platforms. I think that’s their best one. ECW would routinely get 99k thousand back before streaming was an option. Does Meltzer report it like this? No. AEW has done better than anyone except WCW.

Fuck him. And fuck anyone who should know better than spreads this shit.

And SmackDown more than triples AEW’s rating because it is a far superior show. You can take from that whatever good or bad that you want. If you like SmackDown, good for you. If you want to shake your head at how a WWE program is tea-bagging the “alternative” that had an open shot, go with that too.

I’m ambivalent at this point. I hate WWE’s monopoly and most things the company does, but they are SO much better than what you get from these smug “we’re (not so) different” promotions that the schadenfreude of the WWE dropping the leg is pretty funny. And SmackDown does objectively have the better stars, the better workers and in many cases the better stories.

So yeah, fuck AEW.

1.82 million for RAW this week up against the college championship, which did monster numbers

Interesting thing is instead of holding steady to hr 3 w/ tease of Orton vs HHH they lost half a million viewers instead essentially

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You mad?

He mad.

Odd he cares so much about a product he's admitted to no longer watching.

Also interesting, even with losing 500,000 viewers, well, you know, its still more than Dynamite :cool:

I can't imagine wasting so much time and energy hating on a wrestling promotion you hate as well as posting long diatribes telling people they're wrong for liking it.

I can't imagine hating on something you hate takes much effort.

I can't imagine being dumb and pathetic enough to waste even one second of my time commenting or critiquing something that I actually hate.

I sort of get the frustration. I genuinely thought for so many years with ratings tanking, that WWE would realize how bad they have gotten and do something drastic. But they just get worse and worse. I miss WWF so much! I was always a big wrestling fan so it sucks that it’s basically unwatchable now.

I was interested in AEW but then you switch the channel and have the same stupid stuff going on there. There isn’t much elite about it. I think it’s the anger and disappointment that someone comes along and offers hope, but just don’t deliver (maybe while acting like they do)

It’s actually insane how bad wrestling has gotten today. We all laughed at TNA back when, but it was actually amazing at its peak compared to the dross being served up today.

Wrestling, across the board, has lost its way big time.

Odd that people have been doing this about wrestling for 20 fucking years you daft cunt. People have been lamenting the state of wrestling since the end of the Attitude era. But I guess it’s only okay to complain about Triple H’s Reign of Terror, JBL’s Reign of Tedium, 2006 DX, the mishandling of talent and Cena’s pushes.

Take swipes at AEW as a passionate wrestling fan and it’s a completely a different standard. Fuck you and your attempts to shame people into not caring about what they care about. Fucking narc.

Yes! Amazing post. :y:

Lol. WWE. And go.

2006-09 TNA, for all of the terrible booking and whatnot that went on, had a lot of great matches.

Thats what I am saying though. I agree with you. But people still laughed at the mistakes they were making and the amateur stuff that went on. It actually had amazing matches and some great feuds though.

Today, everything means nothing. Titles mean nothing, moves mean nothing, TV means nothing. It is trash, even compared to, at the time, the much maligned TNA of 10 years ago.

TNA was a point of derision for basically its entire run. There’s a 2004-2006 period where people were somewhat hopeful, but it was still marred by bad booking and ridiculous ideas.

I have no clue why AEW gets to escape. My thinking is that wrestling is so much WORSE now that people will take anything. I remember when people told me Braun Strowman was over. You tune into Raw and he gets, like, 200 cheers. The rest is people just sitting and clapping or standing to see what happens. But it was quiet as shit every time I saw him. Because I hadn’t conditioned myself to that crap.

I’m willing to bet a significant number of AEW fans still put themselves through watching the WWE. Hence their low standards.


The only other thing is that this company has a lot more accessible capital than TNA and constantly blows the fans. They’ve tried to make them feel a part of something, a bit like the marks in ECW.

But how anyone can sit around and logically defend AEW as being a significantly smarter, more mature, more pro-wrestling company is insane. They’ve turned Chris Jericho into a fat musical comedy act. They’ve squandered the potential of nearly every single person that had it. MJF is a comedy act. Adam Page is a comedy drunk in the loser group. Miro came in, as I said he would, as a parody of his WWE act. FTR are doing basically what they would be doing in WWE except with worse talent.

NONE of this is a lie. This is about as close to observable fact as it gets. WWE, TNA, WCW, whoever would get BLASTED for being this inept.

I saw a video of a girl on YouTube talking about why she hates AEW so much. She was prettt annoying, but her points were spot-on. Her points about their booking made her seem smarter than the company.

Raw is a sludge-pit of nothing and wrestling fans STILL prefer it. That is sad. A good, two-hour, pinpoint, priority program on Wednesday nights should be able to beat three hours of tedium. But it can’t. Because it’s not worth the switch. How sad is that?

I’m so mad at wrestling. It doesn’t have to be bad. This is the ego of the people involved, mixing with their stupidity, to create something insulting to the senses.

The matches aren’t good. The promos aren’t good. The stories are babyish. The “characters” are ridiculous and dumbed down to amazing degrees. It’s nepotistic. It’s fucking wasteful. The amount of waste on these shows and in their ledgers is ridiculous. Six figures confirmed for Marko Stunt. You can’t get CM Punk, who hates WWE, but you can afford to spend money on Marko fucking Stunt. Argh! I wonder how much Hornswoggle got paid for his comedy segment that was entirely not like something WWE would do? Vickie Guerrero?

Wrestling needs to die. This shit is too much.

Someone explain to me why Hornswoggle, Marko Stunt, the self-destruction of Chris Jericho and wasting talent are good things. And I don’t want to hear “wait and see” as an excuse. “They’re being bad on purpose” is not going to cut it either.

The increase in false finishes and "big moves" not winning matches is not helping. I get that you want to build some drama, but there is a line between that and spamming finishers.

I think drunken trips to Wendy’s did that.

lol so where does "AEW forced Jericho to hit the sauce a bit too hard" fit in the "I want logical wrestling discussion" argument?

I blame alcohol and self-loathing myself.

They pay him $3 million to take no responsibility for his health and well-being. Yes, Jericho is a grown-ass man, but the WWE cut Kurt Angle when they saw the path he was on in 2006. Jericho is CLEARLY having a very public mid-life meltdown. If his health and weight weren’t getting to him, why would he go on Twitter and post pictures of him sucking in his gut to make himself look like he’s in better shape than he is?

But this company won’t send him home. They won’t ask him to stay in some sort of presentable shape that doesn’t embarrass a whole bunch of potentially new viewers. They don’t even ask him to stop going to South Dakota or wherever the fuck and stop spreading a potentially fatal disease. They’re just marks that are happy to have “Omg, omg, omg! It’s Chris Jericho! He beat Austin and Rock in the same night!” there to buy him birthday cakes and do whatever the fuck he wants on their show.

That’s how it fits into logical wrestling discussion, you boot-licker.

Most of the best wrestlers ever were guys who didn’t give a shit about their health and were often big fat tubs.

Most wrestlers today are the exact opposite of that. And they’re terrible.

Definitely. But also, no selling, no psychology and no actual stories within matches to differentiate them. It’s so far from what wrestling should be.

It's sad watching Jericho go downhill tbh. He was/is one of the best ever as far as I'm concerned. I have an odd personal Mount Rushmore of wrasslin and he would be on it. I have no doubt that when he first started putting on weight for his run in Japan that he was doing it for the creative reasons he has claimed in the past; but somewhere along the way, particularly after AEW got up and running, he just let himself go. It's not a gimmick anymore, he has legit gone over the edge and it just spiraling downwards. Maybe some of it has to do with Fozzy finally getting some mainstream success too, I dunno. All I know is that it makes me sad watching one of the all time greats in my eyes go down like this.

It’s evolved, Cornette mark. It’s gone past 30 minute headlocks. We’ve gotten rid of the useless stories and now we focus on the ACTION because the ACTION is what people want to see.

Why are we less popular than ever and unable to retain about 50% of people who were willing to check us out in the first place? Uhhh. Evolution. And they’re not real wrestling fans anyway.

AEW - 762
NXT - 551

Look at CNN's ratings for the impeachment, damn...NXT taps out to a show called Assisted Living


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Should NXT fold?

Damn the news is killing it.

Considering NXT gets paid more from USA, and their payroll is a fraction of the the payroll that Money Mark has created by giving anybody who asks the "best pro wrestling contract they ever had", I'm thinking financially NXT will be just fine.

It's cool that you guys consistently cheerlead though.

Hook, line...

So which celebrity or has been wrestler are they going to bring in next to draw the same 750,000 viewers

Trump is the greatest babyface in cable news history

Will Tyson come back?

Far Right grifter Brad Shepard buries WWE

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENXT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENXT</a> (Paul's failed developmental territory) lost in the viewership battle this week to a show called Assisted Living. Which I can understand because that's the same age demo that also watches <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> these days. <a href="https://t.co/Z54JFvrxuo">pic.twitter.com/Z54JFvrxuo</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@TheBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1349831927306612741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who?

The news is clearly the best show on a Wednesday night. It has the most entertaining storylines and conflict. The writing is on point. All of the characters have clear direction. It's no surprise that the news is really dominating these other shows in the entertainment genre. If you're not watching the news on a Wednesday night and you live in America, what the fuck are you even doing with your life? Just stop existing. Imagine watching anything else but the news lol. Pathetic.

1.3 million fans on a Wednesday. Sound familiar?

Considering AEW splits ad revenue with TNT, provided both shows had an equal rate (NXT’s is probably higher at base, but ignoring that), AEW would need to do twice as well as NXT to end up as profitable for TNT is as NXT. That’s also assuming that NXT charges $45 million for rights. If it’s cheaper, then that’s even more money saved by USA. Yeah, that’s the show that’s gonna move.

Facts aren't as cool as bragging about 700,000 viewers though:cool::rofl:

And NXT actually got $50 million, not $45 million. Tony Khan is a turd wasting his father's money so he can have "friends".

He’s definitely mad.

:lol:

It’s almost as if one company is on a “prove-it” deal, while the other has been an established television entity for decades, with far more leverage in turn.

AEW has the key demos Vince dreams of, but can’t get because he’s terrible at producing anything close to resembling an entertaining product. RAW and Smackdown are barely watchable, and have been for 4 years at least. I think I’m even being generous saying “barely”. I don’t think I’ll watch WWE product again until Vince dies. I just can’t do it to myself, nor should any of you.

Smackdown has been much better than RAW in the last ~6 months to me, at least.

Except on Monday and Friday, when Vince gets higher "key demo" ratings than AEW does on Wednesday. But of course, Wednesday is the only day demos matter right?

Right!


Thanks for coming to the TED talk.

What, they 40+ crowd?

RAW 18-34 =.35
AEW 18-34 =.15

Try again.

What in the hell did I do?

you enjoyed something, maybe

Now do NXT.

I'm curious what Raw would do against AEW and if the audience would be as split as it is against NXT. I'd goes Raw would win but I'm curious to see how many viewers they'd lose if AEW did do a Monday night show.

Did I say NXT in my original reply to your dumb take about demos, that you oh so cleverly responded to about 40+ year olds??

Pretty sure I said Monday and Friday demos, and how your attempted argument is that demos only matter on Wednesdays.

You just reaffirmed that your argument is a .15 on Wednesday is awesome and makes Vince McMahon jealous, but the .35 he just got on Monday doesn't matter. Even though it was more than double, Dynamite, it wasn't on Wednesday, so "ohhhh AEW!!!".

Every week people pretend AEW is killing it, but a .15 in 18-34 only looks good when compared to NXT. Acting like ratings are the most important thing to prove AEW is great while ignoring much higher Raw ratings and Smackdown ratings because it buries your narrative is bullshit and I'll call it out EVERY time.

Why the need to pretend Wednesday is the only day ratings matter?

Answer, because your geeking out makes no sense otherwise.

But you’re being disingenuous, you’re comparing apples to pomegranates. RAW has zero competition.

Yeah, there is never Monday Night Football or anything.

This past Raw didn't air against the NCAA Football Championship, poor Dynamite has all the real competition! :roll:

SO ELITE!!!!!!

If Vince was a real man he’d move Raw to Wednesday’s.

Could you imagine how much crying their would be if Vince actually moved a show to air against Dynamite??

Shit look how much of a fit they still have about NXT airing Wednesdays, you know NXT, the show that has been airing at 8pm since 2014. You listen to AEW, and you would think NXT stole AEW's timeslot.

Nevermind that NXT got picked up by USA to replace Smackdown before Dynamite even debuted. Also nevermind that the original trademark was for Thursday Night Dynamite.

None of those true facts fit the story of "the Big Bad WWE trying to hurt poor old AEW", so let's ignore all that, and then act like Vince McMahon is scarred of the underdog bitches that can't draw 1 million viewers no matter how many former WWE guys they sign.

That's just the kick in the ass RAW needs!

So you’re agreeing Vince is a scaredy-cat, and wouldn’t do it?

I wonder if this is Hasney's most successful thread

Who?