So what? Are you convinced they're going to be a one man show every night?
If Kobe got half the Lakers points you would be talking about mama there goes that man, but when Ray Allen does it it's a cause for concern for the Celtics.
There's still plenty of basketball left. That stuff comes across more as a way to difuse the loss rather than actual analysis.

dunno who you think youre talking to, but im not SammyG. If Kobe got half my points i'd take the win, like you, but i'd be worried wtf is going on with the other players on the team.

There was very shitty calls in this game, both on the Lakers and Celts, but some key breakdowns and bad calls kept pulled the Celts ahead.

Even now, Bynum killed it, Kobe did his, and Pau played solid, but IM really wondering when Odom is gonna step up and another one of our guards.

Rondo with 19 Points, 12 Rebs, and 10 assists.

Nate Robinson is lightning in a bottle when a spark is needed

this did sound a lot like SammyG to be honest with ya.

Allen did not single handedly win that game. So many other contributions from multiple Celtic players.

I agree with the first point

Ray Allen won that game for the Celtics. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Shut up. You guys aren't even real basketball fans really.

im not mad at Allen. Ive stated time and time again i am a huge Ray fan, and love to watch the guy go to work. Im more pissed at the Lakers not defending him at all costs in the first half and the horrible calls.

Like, seriously, did that ball really go off Pau Gasol's black hand? It was clearly off KG.

As usual KG got away with holding on his screens, but im not gonna complain too much because Bynum got away with alot of pushing on his screens.

Now that sounds like SammyG.

Dammit, alvarado.

how so? I give Allen credit, say the Lakers played shitty defense on him, and mentioned that the ref's were calling shitty fouls on both sides of the ball. The only thing i have really stated was that there were some key calls during the final minutes that went against the Lakers that were a crock.

nobody, Celt or Laker fan, can say that that ball went off Pau Gasol's hand, when it was so clearly in the palm of KG. At that point Lakers were down by 3 and could have had possession...instead Rondo hits a shot and everything slides down hill from there.

No matter how you slice it, there is still a strong potential that there are 5 games left to play
Thursday and tonight were two completely different games, and I'm sure nothing is written in stone.
KG does look bad, but I highly doubt Pierce is going to come out at home and have another game like that. Rondo's Game 1 performance is less likely to be the trend than tonight's is. We'll see.

It's about irrefutable evidence. That's just the way they call it. I agree, it was probably off KG's hand but the original call was that it was off Pau's, and looking at the replay you couldn't say anything with certainty. If anything, it looked like they both touched it at the same time and that's what the refs go with.
There were some terrible calls on both sides of the ball, but how new is that?

i know people like to say Rondo is the Celts key to a championship, but really its Ray Allen and Pierce. If they can have nights like Allen had tonight, its going to spread the Lakers defense. If not, its gonna look alot like game 1.

On the other side, the Lakers need to play the passing lanes better, and pound the ball inside for scoring at potential fouls.

I meant my previous post. But now the joke is no longer funny.

I think the Celtics have proved that no one player is the key to their success. It's 4 players, if anything. That's why they are in the finals, against teams that have more of a "key to success" like Wade, Lebron and Howard.

i know there is more ball to be played...but the Laker fan in me wants to see the Lakers beat the Celts the way the Celts beat the Lakers. Even if the Lakers take it in 7 on the final possession at the buzzer, it will be classic...but it will still leave me with that bitter taste from Game 6 of 08

lol Kendrick Perkins. Although he does need to stay in the series if they are going to win. I just like to joke about him as the odd man out.

NBA stat for the night: 58 fouls combined called in Game 2 which ends up being 1-2 fouls per minute and about 1 whistle every 3rd combined possession.

Yeah I can do without whistles being blown that much.

I remember smoking a joint in the second quater, started about half way through, when I was done, about 2 minutes had elapsed on the game clock, that was almost a good 15 minutes.

OMG KOBE HAD 5 FOULS?!?! HE NEVER FOULS

everyone had 5 fouls that game

Just played some dude who was in the D Leagues for a few years in one on one. He beat me like 16-4

Was he trying?

I mean kinda. He's doing dunks and shooting with his left hand and stuff and still scoring. The two baskets I got were the first shot of the game where I just started with the ball and made a jumpshot over him and a rebound on some crazy move he tried to do that didn't hit the rim.

(I realize this will be a stupid obvious statment, but I am going to say it anyway)

Lol yeah it's pretty funny just how good Pro-Basketball players are. People tend to forget that.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/R...ing-NBA-Finals

We’ve got a nice Finals here. We’ve got the NBA’s two flagship franchises.

We’ve got the Celtics and the Lakers, with more history than the 28 other teams combined. We’ve got Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Boston’s Big Three, and some kid named Rajon Rondo who’s turning out to be as much of a game-changer as all the big names up on the marquee.

Now, would somebody over at the league office kindly inform the refs who are working this series to stop screwing it all up?

Because if the refs continue to make a mockery of the games, the NBA is going to see its fans start abandoning the Finals and switching over to Flyers-Blackhawks.

Or NCAA women’s softball games.

I can’t say I really blame ‘em if they do.

Here’s what we’ve seen in the first two games of what should be a memorable Finals:

We had Game 1 go an interminable 2 hours and 48 minutes. That was not even an overtime game. Yet it dragged on longer than a hair restoration commercial at three in the morning. It featured 54 fouls and 67 free throws by both teams.

Right after the crew of Joe Crawford, Joe DeRosa and Derrick Stafford put its imprint on the opener, a memo with the game tape should have been sent to the Game 2 crew of Monty McCutchen, Mike Callahan and Ken Mauer, reading: Gentlemen, do not give us a repeat, under any circumstances!

Obviously, no such memo was sent, because here’s what we got on Sunday in Game 2 as the Celtics tied the series: another “regulation’’ game lasting 2:51, with 58 fouls and 67 more foul shots.

What a disgrace.

What does that mean for Tuesday night's Game 3 in the TD Garden here?

Unless David Stern puts an end to it, as he should have done first thing Monday morning, it promises to be another long night, filled with way too many calls, and another Finals game with absolutely no flow.

Boy, I can’t wait to watch.

The Game 2 refs really outdid themselves. They set out to call everything, even the obscure stuff. Hey, they’ve got a right to do that, even if they’re unwittingly killing their product.

Early on, Paul Pierce got whistled for setting an illegal pick with his foot on the end-line, a real cheapy there. But it’s in the rulebook, so technically, it was a violation.

But after the refs subjected the teams and fans to putting everything under the microscope, what did we see in the final minutes of the game? Trying to get the zebras to give him a timeout, Doc Rivers ran a good 20 to 25 feet onto the floor.

Where was the technical on the Celtics coach? Where were the whistles?

It wasn’t called! Not a tweet!

Are you kidding me? The NBA couldn’t even get that one right?

The only explanation I can think of was that the three refs were all winded from calling everything else before Doc’s run. They were simply too tired to whistle him for the most blatant infraction of the night.

“It was funny,’’ Rivers said. “All the players were laughing at me because I tell them I’m in shape and here they saw me run.’’

Maybe they were laughing, but everyone else in Staples Center was probably wondering, and legitimately so, what the hell are the refs doing by not T-ing up Doc?

“I don’t know if you can do that or not,’’ Phil Jackson said. “I don’t think that’s legal to get on the floor. I think coaches have to stay on the sidelines. They’re not supposed to be on the floor. It’s like he was shot out of a starter’s block.’’

Rest assured, somebody’s gonna pay for the screw-up. But that doesn’t mean the problem is going to be solved.

Granted, some of the league’s top officials are not working the Finals. Steve Javie and Mark Wunderlich have been out nursing injuries. The ageless one, Dick Bavetta, didn’t even work the conference finals for the first time since they removed the laces from the ball, signaling there’s a retirement party in his near future. Some of the top refs, guys like Jess Kersey, a real pro who had to bow out two years ago due to injury, have not been adequately replaced.

But who cares about one lousy missed call. It’s the calls that have been made, the non-stop whistles that have been going against Bryant and Garnett and Allen and Pierce, not to mention all the lesser lights, that make you wonder if the NBA knows it’s damaging its own showcase event. It’s the way the games have been over-officiated to death, to the point that some of us can’t wait for the lockout to get here.

Hey Alvarado, look there is a copy and pasted article on TPWW and it didn't fuck up the thread!!!

How did he do that???

The issue with timeouts seems to be happening more in the NBA where unless the coach is out screaming or chasing down a ref, they don't want to give out a timeout.

Then again same occurs with the NFL where you'd see a coach running down the sidelines or onto the field just to find a ref in time to call a timeout.

I think it's become evident that Fisher cannot guard Rondo, at all.

thanks for the news flash ;)

um, there's about a 10 year difference and Fisher has never been known for his speed. Good analysis though.

I actually hacked it because im that good, and im gonna hack your account next.

I'm Rajon Rondo, and you're Derek Fisher

This Grown Ups ad campaign is the worst thing ever.

C's will take this one down I think.

Woo Hoo MAMBA! I seriously miss the days where going to the post was our bread and butter. Fucking irritates me how skilled and big we are in the post, but it seems to happen once every 3-4 possessions.

Lakers lucky to be up 4 right now. Horrible processions these last few minutes

Looks like Derek Fisher has read page 64 of this thread.

bet you anything its Celtics ball...

well ill be damned. shocking.

really though, wtf is Kobe doing?

wow....wtf is was Celts doing

holy shit derek fisher. carrying this team right now.

My point was, why is he on him at all.

Alright, let's all become absolutely unbearably obnoxious on the count of 3...

So wait, they WONT call the foul on the review? Are they not reviewing the PLAY? Just the call? What the fuck!?

thats the stupidest replay decision i have ever heard.

:?:

Celtics just wasted a great KG performance.

Ray Allen struggling on shots really hurt the Celtics since if he managed maybe 1/2 or 1/3 of his shots and Cs could have the lead instead of always being down by 4 in the 4th Quarter. At the same time, Fisher got hot in the 4th and hit all the critical shots when needed.

wow Ray Allen. Went from one of the best games in his career to the worst one in a span of 48 hours.

Football is the same. Not sure about NHL.

Kobe won game 1

Ray Allen won game 2

Derek Fisher won game 3


Who will win game 4?

btw, Kobe and Fisher started their 116th playoff game together. Most for any guard combo in NBA history

http://deadspin.com/5559056/tim-dona...ldnt-get-worse-

Pretty good reads, Tim Donaghy breaks down the officiating

I love the Celtics, I generally get annoyed by our fans (lack of knowledge, extreme homerism, beligerant drunkenness), but last night was ridiculous - went to game 3 and saw 3 incidents that showed how classless our fans can actually be

let me preface by saying I have traveled to opposing cities to see the Celtics and Sox - cities have included Seattle, Atlanta, Philadelphia, New York, New Orleans, Orlando and have rocked Celtics/Sox gear and have cheered when we make a good play. No one has ever said anything beyond maybe gentle ribbing

At game 3 last night, in the restroom a guy was wearing a Lakers jersey, waiting in line - a mob of Celtics fans - presumably drunk were chanting Lakers suck and Kobe sucks, completely in his face, pointing, etc. Guy remained stoic - personally I would have left the lav... then someone threw a beer at him. I left before there was a fight, but given the lack of security, I assume one went down. classy Boston

second incident, a few sections over a Lakers fan pumped his fist when they scored and a Celtics fan punched him. Zero provocation. Super classy.

Last one, leaving the game, 2 guys with Lakers jerseys are trying to walk down the stairs and are assaulted by another mob of presumably drunken Boston fans - this is on the stairs, pretty dangerous place to get into it... stay classy Boston

when you buy a ticket to a game, you're paying to cheer your team and tolerate those around you. Of course no one likes an opposing fan cheering, but they have a right to. Just cheer louder. But fights in the stands are just stupid. I truly felt embarrased to be a Celtics fan last night, because of the treatment of others...





SOURCE: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=38611.0

Boston is just below Philly in terms classlessness.

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Point?

Say what you want about Lakers fans, but shit like this doesn't go down at Staples.

I guess some would argue that Boston fans are more passionate though....

I do agree with the guy that there are a lot of obnoxious fans. That's everywhere where sports is popular though.

That's because the tickets are more elite. There are riots in LA everytime the Lakers win a championship. It's unlike any other city or team, to be honest.

I'm not disagreeing with what that guy said. That is classless, and there's obnoxious fans, but come on.

I'm sure no Orlando Magic fans were harmed during that riot

I agree, the rioting is ridiculous, but I don't think it has much to do with the article I posted. The article was about home team fans being dicks to opposing team fans.

Obnoxious fans are everywhere when teams are winning and there's a big fanbase. Boston, NY, Philly, LA.
And that's probably child's play compared to what goes on at Soccer matches in every other country.

Again, I agree with the guy but it seems like a case of singling out Boston here because they're rivals.
A simple google can provide plenty of other incidents everywhere.

http://wbztv.com/sports/celtics/stap....2.743896.html

first result in google search: Celtics fan assaulted.

Those fucking upper bowl fans.

I could see in a way if it was a 1st ever title or a long time in between titles since that is when a lot of pent up emotions and celebrations occur but it only had been 7 years since the last title and the Lakers were in 6 of the last 10 NBA Finals.

It would as if Canadians or Yankees fan rioted after every title win when there wasn't a big gap in between title years.

Its just an article I came across and thought was interesting. Wasn't trying to say all Boston sports fans are classless.

like Jeri said, there are jackasses all over the world, wearing all kinds of jerseys. My sister went to a Lakers WCF game a few years ago when they played the T-Wolves because shes a huge KG fan and they were giving her shit for wearing her KG jersey.

Scared the shit outta her she said.

I've always found it strange that people want to wear opposing team jerseys into enemy territory anyways.
Don't get me wrong, that in no way justifies this type of behavior, but I've always found it to be stupid behavior. You are no doubt looking for attention and probably conflict on some level. It's an act of defiance.

I would have no desire to obnoxiously march through Yankee Stadium in a Red Sox hat, or into the Staples center in a Celtics jersey.
I don't see the point other than looking to get into some kind of shit.

well yeah, but there are people who have favorite players/teams that ARENT the home team.

Truth. I just wanted to point out that we're not all like that

I saw some Red Sox fans while I was in Baltimore that made me feel like the guy who wrote that article too

Well, there's obnoxious marching and then there's supporting your team.

its just a shame that for every authentic mature fan of a team/sport who can analyze pro's and con's and give respect where its due, theres about 3 bandwagon jackoffs who dont know shit beyond the moment and do stupid shit like riot.

It always irritates the fuck outta me when they show the rioting in LA after a title...i look at every single one of those people and wonder wtf is going on in their head.

I don't understand it because I just don't feel the need to wear apparel to support the team when I attend games anyways, really.
I especially don't do it while I'm on the road, because I don't want to be "that guy."

I'm always suspcious of rival fans in home areas anyways. There are legitimate ones, of course. People who have moved, or have family ties or whatever.
But there are so many fucking people who just elect to be a Yankees fan, or a Lakers fan, (or vice versa in those cities) or whatever team is "bad" in a region, just to get attention and be pricks.
I just shake my head at it. That's people.

I never once saw someone in a Giants hat or jersey walking around my campus, and in the days and weeks after the Patriots lost the superbowl to them I saw like 50 just marching around between classes.
Wish I could get inside their head and fix things.

Yeah i hear ya...i mean, i'll wear a hat, but for the most part im not the type to run around in jeserys proclaiming my team. I enjoy discussions when they pop up, but im not a walking neon sign saying 'LAKERS' like i see people.

I can see how it can excite some people, because i remember the 99-00 season when the Lakers won the championship. That was the first time i was able to witness and understand the significance of it, because the last time they won it i was about 3 years old. So you get swept up in it and woo hoo and bla bla...

but there's no excuse to start swinging at people or breaking stuff. That kind of behavior is beyond my comprehension.

You will see a Red Sox fan at every sporting event in the United States I have noticed. And I hate it pretty much when anybody wears a "rival" jersey to a game. Rooting for the opposing team is one thing and I think it's sort of stupid to wear that jersey, but when somebody goes to a game and just wears a rival jersey when that team isn't playing it is the stupidest fucking thing. Like trying to send some message that they like the rival team, therefore aren't rooting for the home team. Why are you even at the game then. Fucking Penguins fans always do this at Capitals games. Will probably end up throwing nachos at one

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...r_espn_5268744

Wednesday, June 9, 2010
Rivers complains about officiating
By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com

BOSTON -- Doc Rivers spent quite a bit of time Wednesday discussing the state of the officiating in the NBA Finals after sending a videotape to the league office documenting what he said were several uncalled offensive fouls against the Los Angeles Lakers. It may have been an off day Wednesday in the L.A.-Boston series, but Rivers was very much on his game when it came to working the refs.

"I think it was a ton of moving screens they got away with," Rivers said the day after the Celtics' 91-84 loss to the Lakers in Game 3 put the Celtics behind 2-1 in the best-of-7 series. "As far as off-the-ball action ... you are not allowed to hold, you are not allowed to bump, and you are not allowed to impede progress. I read that this morning, and I'm positive of it. So, you know, when that happens it has to be called."

Rivers said he had sent a tape to the league office documenting several instances in which the Lakers were not called for moving screen violations, a type of offensive foul. By his count, the Celtics were called for one such violation and the Lakers none.

Rivers also commented on the general state of officiating in the NBA and how it differs from when he was a player. Although it did not appear as though he had said anything egregious enough to merit a fine from the league office, commissioner David Stern will have the final say on that matter -- and Stern has shown less tolerance than in past years for coaches working the refs in between games.

Rivers also continued to sound incredulous that Lakers coach Phil Jackson had complained about the foul calls against Kobe Bryant in Game 2 (Jackson called them "unusual fouls") when Bryant racked up five personals, noting that foul trouble had impacted his own team much more than it had the Lakers.

"I think he [Phil Jackson] is good, I think we're all pretty good at it," Rivers said. "But listen, if Phil Jackson says something the day before and it happens, I hope that has nothing to do with the officials."

In Game 3, Paul Pierce was limited to 34 minutes because of foul trouble. In Game 2 it was Kevin Garnett who spent more than half the game watching from the bench because of fouls, and in Game 1 Ray Allen was the recipient of at least two questionable foul calls that limited him to 27 minutes.

"It's huge," Rivers said. "We've had all three games where one of our quote-unquote Big Three has not been able to play.

"Last night, Paul was never in his rhythm. He couldn't be. He played for four minutes, he was back on the bench, played for five minutes. I mean, I played Paul at times last night when I should not have had him on the floor with four fouls, but I had no choice. You've got to get him on the floor at some point.

"But it clearly -- you know, we watched film today, and I showed Paul, it's funny. I said 'Paul, that's a driving lane. You've got to get to the basket.' His response was: 'I was worried about getting another foul.' It's tough to play that way." Through three games, the Celtics have been whistled for 84 personal fouls to the Lakers' 75. Pierce and Kevin Garnett have been whistled for 13 fouls apiece, while Lamar Odom of the Lakers leads all players with 14 personals. Odom has played an average of just 21 minutes per game after averaging nearly 30 minutes over the first three rounds of the postseason.

The Lakers have attempted 96 free throws in the three games to Boston's 86, and there has generally been an inordinate amount of conversation over the past six days regarding the quality of the refereeing.

"When I played, it was just two officials, so that was a while ago," Rivers said. "And I also thought back then it was more they just called the game, what they saw. Now, it's much more technical and in some ways better, and in some ways not, because officials won't call something that's not in their area, if you know what I mean, even if they see it at times.

"But it's tough. I think the game is more athletic, the game is faster, and it's brutal. We're hard on them, everybody is hard on them. But it's a difficult game to call," Rivers said. "I think what we all want is just consistency. It's tough to get that, but I think that's what everybody wants."

Chris Sheridan covers the NBA for ESPN.com.

It's not that I have a problem with getting decked out and way into it at home games (and I stress home games). That's cool. I just don't do it. I don't really ham it up anyways.
I usually sit in my own world and get into the game, and chat with whoever I'm with. Not a big "high five the guy next to me" guy

Actually kind of like the atmosphere at the Garden. I haven't seen too many obnoxious people. Everyone seems to be into the game too, which should be the case.
I hate going to Fenway Park. It's disgusting now. People are either taking pictures for facebook, or tourists.
The rest are just going back and forth to the beer stand. It's a social event, not a baseball game. Nobody's ever sitting watching the field, and the aisles are constantly traffic. So annoying.
Probably never going back now that I put these thoughts down into words.

yeah i read that earlier, just kinda lol'd considering the hand checking, reaches, Big Baby flops, and KG's illegal screens. No doubt i see some illegal screens by the Lakers (mostly by Bynum) but c'mon, Pot, leave Kettle alone.

Yeah Nationals Park is like Fenway except it's people who don't give a shit about the Nats or just have no idea what's going on. People coming in the 3rd inning and leaving in the 7th. Sitting to the left of an aisle is the worst fucking thing on the planet. You can't see anything. Fucking hate it so much. I never get "dressed up" for baseball, but for hockey games I will usually wear the team shirt or something red just because it's one of those things where everybody is supposed to be in red. I dunno. Haven't been to a Wizards game in a while. We were trying to go to opening day this year and some games but it will probably be mad hard to get tickets now that it will be John Wall's debut if we draft him. Dunno

I enjoy checking out other fields, whether or not the Sox are playing there.
Sometimes I have gone on trips where they are, which is cool, but I will go anyways because I just like the sport. Going to Cubs and White Sox games against the Cards and Mariners later this month, just because.
I wear street clothes and hope nobody knows where I'm from, to be honest.

I haven't gone to a lot of sporting events in other cities besides baseball. I went to a Caps-Thrashers game in Atlanta.
A couple NFL games that didn't involve the Pats.
Never been to an NBA game outside of Boston, actually.

You should go to MSG next season to see LEbron

yknow, surprisingly Dodger Stadium is full of chill, dedicated fans. I mean, there are always some tourists (its LA/Hollywood after all) but for the most part, its super relaxed there.

Cant say the same for most other fans here though. Laker fans can get irritating, Raider fans are the worst.

i always get into it with Raider fans because they act like they just went to the Superbowl. Its like 'dude, they only spent a few years in LA, and that was over 10 years ago..get over it'.

I think most Raider 'fans' couldnt tell you much about who's on their roster. I think it's just 'fashionable' and 'gangsta'.

Are you guys serious? People wearing an opposing team's jeresy or rival team's jeresy to a sporting event annoys you?

Really? C'mon

I grant you it's very annoying and can be terrible when some of those people are loud and obnoxious. You guys are being ridiculous though.

When I was a baby I actually probably went to a lot of NBA road games, because sometimes my family would go along with my dad who covered the Celts.
I was in LA for one of the finals when I was a toddler.

Larry Bird patted me on the head and made a joke about how I was on a leash, because those baby leashes were the trend at the time and my mother had me on one.
Larry Bird burnt me for shits and gigs

I never said it annoyed me. Who did?

I said that I think it's stupid behavior, especially in a rival setting, even though that doesn't justify people getting on their case either.

The people from philly are assholes.

Your kind fof acting like it annoys you.

Why is it stupid? So people that paid money to see there team play aren't allowed to wear their favorite teams jeresy's in enemy territory in your world?

No, I'm really not.

There's a difference between annoys me, and thinking it's a stupid act.

Let me give you an example:

If I saw a Lakers fan in a Lakers jersey at the game last night, I would not be annoyed or pissed in any way.
Whatever. I would even be cordial to the dude if we crossed paths. I do not care.

At the same time, I would see it and think to myself "that guy is probably asking for trouble at some point tonight."
It's something I would not do. I think it's "stupid" because I don't see the point in doing it unless you're looking to attract attention to yourself. But to each their own.

Never said it wasn't allowed. Never said it upset me. Don't know how I'm "acting"

Read the posts

I think what Jeri is saying is that rooting for your team is fine and dandy, but when your one person in a place that seats 20,000 and youre wearing the rival's team jersey...the odds are good youre gonna run into a jackass or two.

You can be a Laker fan and watch them in Boston without having to wear the jersey...you'll enjoy the game just the same, and lessen your probability of having someone ruin your night.

I did stress that dressing up and hamming it up at home and road games are two different beats, but I don't care either way.