TNT only cares about how much ad revenue it can scoop in the dying days of cable. All this talk about the specific numbers and key demos is frivolous bullshit. What matters is how much you can charge someone to sell eyeglasses and viagra to whatever cable audience is left. Those numbers aren’t reported to charlatans like Meltzer.

The issue with AEW and its fans is that they are literally some of the worst people in the world. Especially from a marketing perspective. They’re fat, white, nerdy, unattractive cunts who are only interested in wrestling and pizza.

It's so true.

They should be sponsored by Stridex Pads!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3zpHYzhLV3ZzW/200.gif

I appreciate it’s probably in jest, but AEW fans should not be acting like the cool kids in the room.

I love it.

Vito is a giant fucking pussy with poor reading/comprehension skills. This thread would hurt his feelings, confuse him, then hurt his feelings again.

AEW 743,000
NXT 691,000


Keep wasting money on has been athletes and wrestlers AEW. It means nothing. Concentrate on what you have.

Pretty disappointing number tbh!!!

I locked this thread due to Noid and Xrod's toxicity and it's back...

I watch Dynamite live through ATT TV Now.

Are those numbers factored in?

How about for those who watch with Hulu’s live TV plan?

Yes those numbers are included if you watch live.

I guess the Revolution PPV or online reaction left some fana behind.

I haven't watched yet. I'm sorry for tanking the show, everyone.

It's the same 1.5 million every week between the two shows and it has been since the start. The audience just is what it is

yeah hulu youtube and sling all 3 track your viewing except if you go to your acount and opt out.

Is it because of the dud at the PP

Nah I'll watch today or tomorrow.

NXT also put on a great show from what I've read

NXT sux

That’s stupid. You’re stupid. AEW is stupid.

I’m glad Christian gets to make that dollar and not make a difference to anything. T-N-A! T-N-A!

In Slik's mind, Toxicity apparently means not sucking AEW's metaphoric Dick at every turn.

They can't get a Million in the ratings, and that butthurt you so much you locked the thread lol.

Yeah, we are the problem...

Not agreeing with the group means you’re toxic.

Trying to suppress the truth

I remember when I thought Alexa Bliss sucked and The Usos were annoying. TPWW did not like that. Bandied together, all supported each other to take shots at me. Very little reasonable discussion. Now those fickle fucks couldn’t give a shit. In four years time it will be “AEWho?” and they’ll be calling people toxic for not liking Just Obscene Wrestling run by a crippled Will Ospreay and everyone will suddenly be telling the truth about AEW.

lol

*whistle* "Two minutes for telling the truth on Noid"

(Slik and the other sheep)

Nope.

I've posted ratings for years on tpww, I used to post them on the main page of tpww.net. I've always enjoyed seeing the ratings and found them interesting, long before AEW existed. It wasn't until you and Noid decided to constantly bitch about AEW every week in this thread that it became unenjoyable to do here. You've made the entire thread toxic and about how much you dislike AEW rather than about the ratings for RAW, SD, Dynamite and NXT.

You are both terrible additions to the board and don't add anything to it.

pretty scary how serious some can take others' opinions about the state of generally terrible modern wrestling. complaining about people "taking shots" at you on a messageboard in 2021 is probably too sad to even call pathetic

Wrong, I just don't gush over AEW's 800,000 ratings, nor do I understand why 800,000 is so amazing but Raw and Smacking getting more than double that 800,000 is meh.

I don't hate AEW, I watch it every week, I just spent $50 on their PPV, how does that mean I hate it?

What I don't like though, is double standards and hypocrisy. I was here years ago when you were posting ratings, when Raw was getting 2.8 million, and we all talked about how bad that was. Then AEW came around and now we all have to pretend 800,000 is an awesome rating and WWE is scared, and if anybody disagrees they are toxic? Come on man.

You literally just proved my point. RAW and SD ratings have nothing to do with AEW.

AEW was expected to do 400k by TNT and has never been anywhere near that level, it's does about double that often, it's a huge success for TNT.

RAW and SD ratings dropping each year was not good for each show. SD being consistent on Fridays for FOX is good for them. 2.8 million was terrible for RAW. 1.8 million is horrible for RAW. 800k would be disastrous for RAW. But every time the RAW/SD ratings get posted bringing up AEW, often with some weird Black Widow-esque meme, is pointless. It's apples and oranges.

Nobody here is TNT, why then are we celebrating 800,000?

lol

Because it's a massive, huge success. Hottest young wrestling company on the planet.

Wrestling isn't popular or cool these days and probably never will be again. Yet this new company produces smash ratings each week, finishes in the top 5 of Cable on Wednesday nights, has a video game deal, toys in every major retailer and hasn't even existed for 2 years, that's great in 2021 for a new wrestling company. No company has probably had that level of success since WWWF re-branded to WWF or NWA became WCW on TBS. There's really no way to look at AEW without seeing how impressive that is. 700-800k in live ratings is an incredible metric for AEW each week. The fact that when Live + 7 is figured in they are over a million is terrific.

Pg. 69 me Don

It's basically comparing The Simpsons to a new animated series.

The Simpsons once had 33 million viewers and now has 4 million. A new animated series might have 2 million viewers. That is fantastic for a new animated series in 2021. But if someone mentions they like the new series better than the current season and most recent seasons of The Simpsons it's pointless and toxic to say "yeah but they don't have as many viewers as The Simpsons". The Simpsons is a household name that's been around forever. It's also not good The Simpsons lost 29 million live viewers over the years. Both 2 million being good for A and 4 million being not good for B are accurate.

It's an apples and oranges thing.

"wrestlinf will never be cool again"


literally nothing to base that off of

Gertner endorses Orange Cassidy.

False.

I’M TNT.

I’m dynamite.

TNT

And I’ll win the fight

The last boom periods were in 1984 and 1997. It's been 24 years. Not looking too likely for another big boom.

Especially since booms usually coincide with stars being made and WWE seems unwilling or unable to build stars anymore.

Lol!

I'm not trying to be an ass, but if 800,000 viewers is a massive, huge success, what is 2.2 million? And what about 700,000 for NXT? 700,000 is a huge failure and they have to tuck tail because they are huge losers.

700,000 = huge losers
800,000 = massive success
2.2 million = who cares?

That will never make sense to me.

Lol, take away the young qualifier and it’s not the hottest company. WWE still is, whether people want to confront that or not.

TNT expecting 400k viewers is complete bullshit, by the way. It was said to be 500k by Meltzer, who never gave that any context and was probably low-balling to make AEW look good. He explained his reasoning once, and that was because B/R Live will get subscribers and that can be subtracted from the average viewership on TNT. Absolute wank.

AEW rules!!!

WATCH ME EXPLOOOOOOODE!

no correlation between those time frames at all. prowrestling existed for a century before the first boom

AEW : 768,000
NXT: 597,000


AEW trotting out Brodie's brat again in a desperate attempt for ratings fail.

Wow. Shocking.

What DID “boom” in the 1800’s? Wrestling was doing very well for quite a while before ‘84. Then there were booms. WWE is still making the VAST majority of their money off of those booms. It’s fair to compare the time frames. It was harder to “boom” before. Now it’s much easier and the company that took the monopoly doesn’t seem to care.

AEW GONNA BEAT RAW SOON HOLY MACANOLI BATMAN!!!!!

It seems AEW’s ratings just about doubled with no competition while NXT’s stayed pretty much the same. Interesting.

Oh man this thread was gone for a while why is it back?

Right, whatever could it be???? :p

What are the ratings now?

The ratings are people watch wrestling. :lol:

69 pages (nice) of this thread summed up in one post lol

Also while stoned.

Oh look, here it is.

Cool. But that doesn’t mean ratings can’t be discussed other places as well.

According to the fast nationals, SmackDown got 2.1 million versus Rampage’s 511k. The Saturday encore edition of SmackDown got 656k. So the SmackDown replay did better than Rampage’s first run.

Last week’s SmackDown, when adding in New York and Chicago numbers, actually got around 955k.

Yeah, but what about the demos bro??? :rofl:

Yeah, like in every interview, podcast, or tweet made by Tony Khan and his living toy wrestlers!!! :rofl:

Also, here is a second :rofl: just to ensure everybody recognizes that this reply is a joke, meant for chuckles, and NOT that I am angry or leaving out context. #loveyafan

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨SATURDAY FAST NATIONALS JUST DROPPED*🚨<br>*Source: The Streets of Inglewood, Calif. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a> Rerun <br>578K <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <br>515K <br><br>Demos Are Not Available. Take from that what you will 😉<br><br>The Streets Have Spoken. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a></p>&mdash; Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1452637050428030985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can't WAIT for how Tony and Dave are going to try and spin this one as a win :rofl::lol:

Holy shit @ a SmackDown replay beating Dynamite.

Stiff baseball competition coming up for Anything Else next week too, I hear.

Dave is going to emphasise the gulf between TNT and FOX, and try to use SmackDown replays beating Dynamite as evidence SmackDown actually does horrible numbers on Friday. He will try to make TNT and Fox Sports 1 the actual measure people should use.

AEW fans: “We don’t care about ratings. Just let us enjoy the show.”

AEW Dynamite: No one enjoys the show enough to watch it.

R.I.P

Lol, TNT has decided to force Dynamite live around the whole US, meaning it’s going to be on at 5pm on the West Coast instead of in an 8-10 slot. TK is on Twitter thanking TNT for being such amazing partners as they go into a slot where most of the demo it loves to crow about are stuck in traffic getting home.

RIP

I honestly wouldnt even care about ratings if Tony Khan and his minions didnt act so smug about them. But they do, and so I enjoy when they fall on their asses and am amused by how they spin a different story week to week to claim some kind victory.

That doesn’t help them. At all. But with me it’s a measure of growth and engagement. It’s not the only metric of that. Younger people are going to engage with content in different ways. And guess what? That’s true of WWE too. It’s why their stuff goes up on YouTube almost immediately. But when people are throwing their hands up in ecstasy claiming this shit to be so much better than whatever else is out there, and I can see so many detrimental things about the product, it makes for great evidence to actually back my opinion up.

This isn’t the recipe for wrestling getting resurrected. You can enjoy it. That’s your prerogative. But don’t tell me it’s objectively good, or objectively effective. Does it work for the converted? Sure. A lot of the time. But popularity isn’t even the point, entirely. I can like niche stuff that a lot of people won’t want to engage with. That’s cool. But there’s a link here between the content being subpar and missing a much larger audience that wants something else entirely. Something I would enjoy. Something missing. The lack of popularity doesn’t only correlate, in my opinion, but is actually causally related to AEW’s output. And I will point it out until something happens, someone gets it, and we have content that works on a more effective level.

This is evidenced by the initial Punk number. By their debut number. By their All Out buyrate. More people want to enjoy wrestling and don’t than just don’t like wrestling anymore. And anything else is a cop-out. And it’s ignoring a segment of fans — potential fans, anyway — that are very clear in what they want, believe it or not. And too many people are ready to applaud intentionality than actual performance. I’m sure AEW wants to be good wrestling. But that doesn’t make them good wrestling. I’m not going to say they are good wrestling until they are.

I know turning a profit doesn't seem to be critical to AEW, but primetime ad rates are much more than middle of the day rates. Not sure why Tony is hyped about this.

Sucking up/spin. You roll with the hand you’re dealt. I mean, you could just keep quiet, but he’s got to push his face into everything.

Standing back and reflecting on the SmackDown replay beating Dynamite, taking out which show sucks more and all that subjective stuff — I think it does spell out an interesting story re: network television and the potential for wrestling promotions to do way more than they have elsewhere on it.

Come TV renegotiations, I think it will be interesting to see where Raw and SmackDown end up, but also whether AEW makes a play for network, and whether cable breaks bank to secure these shows that have potentially much larger audiences.

Taking Raw being awful out of the equation, that it does so well on cable is actually pretty incredible, when you really think about it. If it went to FOX or NBC, it would probably see a pretty sizeable increase in audience. Now, they do have an incumbent one, but I can see other wrestling promotions making real plays to point out that gulf between what Dynamite does on a Saturday against a SmackDown replay, and trying to use that argue their own deals without the capital that Tony Khan had to sign stars and the like.

I don’t know if networks will go for it, or if it’s even true, but there is a dollars and sense story here.

Ultimately, the future is in streaming. That changes the whole game. Then it becomes who can generate content to keep subscriptions viable and possibly expand OTT services into new countries or make them more viable for a sale. But cable and network wanting to remain competitive and look for content means that companies can make a killing off playing the ratings game for a little while longer. Networks might see the value in live entertainment being something they can milk and gain larger audiences than cable can allow, and cable networks might pay a hefty premium to keep or obtain something that could be way more popular on network.

Ultimately, I think this could lead to other wrestling promotions really looking to secure network deals, as unlikely as they may seem, because that could cast a much wider net almost instantly, which can boost all other business metrics — attendance, merchandising, PPV, etc.

For example: ROH could use a network broadcasting deal to really bolster their popularity and their syndication purpose. MLW didn’t exactly pop on Vice, but if they could get a deal with CBS, they could become #2 in sheer popularity almost overnight. In theory.

Impact are breaking off their deal with AEW. Mark Cuban has a lot of money. Whether he starts another thing or tries to get Impact onto network so that AXS can benefit with popularity is an outside possibility.

The true story here, in my opinion, is just how unremarkable cable ratings are compared to network, and how a SmackDown replay can get 550k people over two hours with no original content.

I dunno, I may just be being an optimist here. But more than even just recently I am seeing the huge gap between network television and cable. I see more good news in that than WWE simply being so much more popular than AEW.

The obvious obstacle is first-run wrestling being competitive in those slots with other content. Wrestling has a real problem with that. It’d be ambitious and ballsy, don’t get me wrong. But I hope people have had the idea.

What sort of ratings decrease did Raw see back in the day when they were shunted for the Dog Show? I know it’s not a 1:1 just mildly interested in how transferable the old audience was.

I think they would take a hit, but I’m just going off memory. Not catastrophically huge, I don’t think. But I don’t remember them gaining massively not being against Nitro or anything.

I’m more confident in saying that I seem to recall the unopposed wrestling shows doing better on Monday nights. It would help Raw when Nitro got pre-empted and vice versa.

1.66 million for the 'season premiere' of RAW

I think the real interesting issue will be Fox vs NBC in terms of WWE's future. If NBC is going to make an actual play to own WWE's content (which most analysts see as the only reason NBC paid a $billion for WWE Network to be on Peacock) than they will have to overpay for whatever Smackdown's value is.

NBC is not going to pay $5billion for WWE just to have one of their shows on Fox. Vince certainly would want to be compensated in any NBC deal for the money he could have kept making with Fox.

Another big issue is that WWE Network deal goes for another 2+ years after the Fox Smackdown contract ends. I could see Vince signing a deal with NBC to air Smackdown for those 2 years, so those 2 contracts end around the same time, at which point NBC would make the purchase play. That is still about 4 and a half years away.

The big question then is would Fox want AEW as a replacement? AEW's show as it is today certainly couldnt air on Network TV. Would their hardcore fanbase even watch a more family friendly AEW? I really doubt Fox would want the perception that they lost Smackdown to NBC and replaced it with a bootleg version (which is what people outside of wrestling fans see it as)? Would AEW want to move Dynamite to Friday nights? They certainly aren't getting on any other day, no Wrestling Show is getting on Network TV on any day but Friday or maybe Saturday. Or would Fox rather just not have wrestling on their Network anymore?

Vince is likely to cash out, Shad has to at some point decide AEW needs to start turning a profit, and Tony has to be more professional than getting into Twitter spats with random people if he ever wants the perception of AEW to match WWE's in the business world. For as bad as WWE is, that is a brand that is at least respected in Corporate America.

My guess is NBCUniversal eventually buys WWE and AEW stays put on Time Warner

If NBC did buy out Vince and revamped the creative team I’d be v interested to see what direction they’d take the company in.

Turn the whole thing into a sitcom with special episodes (PPVs) for stories to wrap up via characters finally beating the shit out of each other.

Vegas residency

It would be a sitcom or dramady with some wrestling worked in. Basically soap opera with wrestling.

That is 100% the WWE of tomorrow.

Halloween Havoc did 746k.

Now, a reasonable person would wait to see what AEW did this week, but since AEW fanboys established you can compare shows backwards in time, this means NXT kicked Dynamite’s ass.

941,000 for Dynamite.

Yikes.

R.I.P TNA Xplos....er AEW Dynamite.

That number sounds like Tony is gonna have to call Shad for another advance on his allowance :rofl:

Damn I forgot about Xplosion lol

How come AEW is declining?

Same as RAW, real sports dominating ratings

Poor product

So, either way, same as Raw.

Raw comes in at around a 8.5/10 while AEW comes in at around 4/10. Last time I checked the numbers.

Yeah but everyone knows that x/10 is an out-dated and out-moded measure that doesn’t really capture how people truly feel about things nowadays.

Excuse me sir! My system is a HIGHLY complicated calculation of numbers with pinpoint accuracy.

Tony Khan acting like a spoiled child everytime he talks certainly doesnt help. He is the adult version of "My Daddy could beat up your Daddy".

Hahaha, 941k.

878k for Dynamite this week. Ouch.

For those who care about the demo, it was down 20%. When you take that away from them, what do they have to lean on? Women and older viewers aren’t suddenly going to come along and give them something to brag about.

Not a surprise that less people are engaged after that STUPID angle in the main event last week. Also, this week they had to randomly throw a guy into a tournament instead of giving a guy a bye to the finals because the booking is so shit.