the personalities are different but the archetype is the same. abraham is so impressive when he rocks up because not only is he apparently generally an actually decent person, but he is really the first hyper-competent uber-mensch style character introduced to the book after ages of rick and co. being luckier than they are skilled. and now the dixon brothers are all up in that gimmick. whatever, maybe i just like abraham.

Soooo, how about that season 1 ending?

Was meh. I loved the intro. would love to see more of that early phase.

But it was only 6 episodes in, so I like that they didnt go too deep into anything. Now that it has a fan base, season 2 can really begin to explore the story now that they know there is little hope out there.

I really hope they do Hanso. That whole flashback sequence was really well done. The fact those military guys were like "fuck this guy, he's a vegetable" showed how crazy the world was becoming. I just feel they spent way too much time telling us what we already knew in that last episode ya know?

I was going to be shocked if Dale and Andrea (I think that's the blonde's name?) had both actually stayed behind to die with Dr. Jenning and the black lady whose name I still don't know.

I'm intrested to know what he whispered in Rick's ear at the end though.

I figured they'd give the audience a little something more in a finale. Not sure how much they can really do about that though, I guess.
It was good, but my concept of a season finale is basically in the stars after 6 years of Lost.

it sucks too because how big a FINALE can you have to 6 episodes? They basically had a min series that needed to be left open.

I hope they come back a bit down the line in season two, like a month or two after the finale, with them even more grizzled and desperate.

Imagine a series that takes place starting day one and takes place following the survivors making it through the end. SICK.

Why were the military killing all the peeps in the hospital though, is my question.

To me it looked like they were executing the infected people. All the people they executed were bloody so I'm guessing they had been bitten/scratched.

I didnt notice that. Ill have to watch. Seemed like staff to me, like they were just killing everyone since they had no idea what the infection was or if it was airborne, so they gassed the place and kill everyone.

"What happens when that clock reaches zero?"-"You don't want to find out, brotha. Now press this button to reset it every time, while I go off and leave you here in my place"

Is what I thought was coming.

I think it was just certain people because when that first group of people walked by Shane, when he tried to get that nurse to help him, they had military people escorting them.

Glad to see the CDC trip was short, though I really liked the Jenner character and wish he would've stuck around. Feel like he whispered that Lori was pregnant to Rick.

Hope the next season hews to the comic a little closer. Read an interview with Darabont where he mentioned how much he loved the Governor and couldn't wait to bring him to TV, so that'd be cool. But I'd give it a couple of more seasons first.

They would definitely just kill everyone to contain it in an outbreak area. And I assume that's what it was, because it's a hospital and there'd be no reason to be sending military against it unless there was still an attempt to stop the spread.

When Jenner was talking to a camera I totally was like "TRUMAN SHOW YAY"

Whoa, that makes a lot of sense now. It didn't even cross my mind. I assumed/was hoping it was where to find the best possible chance for survival.

ahaha... of course.

shit, just realized I totally missed this on Sunday. will have to watch it from my laptop

Just watched the 6th episode online, was better than i was expecting, just wondering where they're gonna go in the next series with this. Glad i didn't feel let down by it atleast. :cool:

Although I fell asleep in the middle of the last episode, I found it didn't end with a direction to ponder in between 'seasons'. In other words, it was a let down.

Yeah, if they wanted to leave a cliffhanger ending, the opening of the hatch at the end of episode 5 would have been fantastic.

Though, then everybody would be pissed off because of the cliffhanger with the long wait. Instead they just resolved the cliffhanger and left it off on pretty much no cliffhanger.

Yeah, i think that's probably the reason for it. Plus they're getting new writers for the next series i think. Strangely enough i didn't go into watching it thinking there will be a cliffhanger for some reason!

I wish there was something to talk about. The ending sort of landed them back at square one. The whisper isn't really enough fodder to drive me crazy

http://eslatele.com/wp-content/uploa...LockeHatch.jpg


I know I need to stop comparing every TV show to Lost.

"Motherfucker", you didn't even have to wait. You watched them all at once because you downloaded them.

I understand the point you're making but you don't get to make it.

If I remember correctly, you dled the first 5 and waited for the last season.

So change that picture to Juliet tapping the bomb and we'll be square.

For those that read the comics, can you let me know what the differences were? I know the CDC wasn't in the books for example, but I'm guessing it was used as a different means to an end?

I didn't download shit. I watched them mostly on DVD though. But I did have to wait a couple times

Basically the CDC thing seems like it could've been an "aside". Next season could be very faithful to the comic. I guess the only really major thing that's been changed was a major character dying very early in the books

Am I the only one who couldn't really care less about it matching the comics? I'd almost rather it not, so that it stops being compared and projected every week.

I'd rather be able to enjoy the show and comic as seperate entities anyways.

I say this all with as much respect as possible.

it would matter less if the comics were shite. but they're awesome, so naturally the comparison isn't so much that we want the show to be just like the comics, but that we want it to be just as awesome.

and if i'm completely honest, it kind of isn't, so far.

i guess my feelings extend to the idea that if they wanted to have different characters, events, storylines, settings, and other factors, then they could have just made an original zombie series and not made out like they were basing it on an already existing work.

That's why I almost never compare the book and the adaptation. Perhaps I'm just personally able to completely seperate the mediums.
Lord of the Rings, Watchmen, and Scott Pilgrim are all examples where I really don't have a preference one way or the other.
I'd drive myself crazy trying to compare and contrast.
I fully recognize the need to alter and delete, and welcome it in a lot of cases.

With Walking Dead, I only read a few issues before the show started, so I can't really talk. But I chose to just roll with the show for now and revisit the books later.

yeah i am not a retard that does not recognise the need for alterations for things to work across mediums jeri, i just don't think the changes that have been made so far have necessarily added anything that isn't already covered somewhere else in the book, so it feels like a pointless addition/alteration.

like, i was 100% right on my call about the excess people in their camp. at the end of the day, the only function they served to the story was adding to the body count during the zombie attack on the camp. even ms. convenient city planner wound up taking herself out with jenner. basically, they were unnecessary. why put them in if they're not going to actually do something?

I suppose the body count is more amusing in live action because of make-up and action. I still agree that it's red-shirt nonsense, but whatever.

I think the city planner pulled her weight

I say they put them there because death = ratings, shock and awe. The show would have less "holy crap" factors.

I think they're also probably trying to satisfy the zombie genre by providing enough attacks to make those fans happy.
Unfortunately there are people who would watch a great episode of that show and feel cheated because there weren't any zombie attacks or head-shots.
I think part of debuting it on Halloween was to lure in the horror movie demographic, on top of people who can appreciate a good story.

TV is a joke sometimes. Even the best shows need to stay afloat by pandering to audiences weekly, somehow.
The writers of Lost joked about how in season 5, there was so much time travel and dialogue, they upped the time Sawyer had his shirt off so that uninterested female viewers wouldn't give up.

I'm also sure you know how this all works mitch. I'm not saying you have to like it
I also haven't read the books yet though, so it's easy for me to ignore it.

There was one change they made from the first book that I noticed. That zombie that wanders up to the fence at the police station. In the book Rick saves the bullet, but in the show he blows his head off.
I think that's a good example of what you're talking about.

see again, i don't want to be "this guy" but if you'd read the book you'd know there is absolutely no need for them to be padding the death count.

trust me, LOTS of people die in this series. major characters, minor characters, characters in-between that look like they were going to make the leap to the big leagues... nobody is safe. they die in ways far more shocking and awe-inspiring than the first attack at camp. that attack was supposed to be nothing. it was 2 zombies in the book, from memory. because they don't start discussing big groups - or better yet, herds (which i cannot wait to see on screen) - until much later on. amazing that a book that powers through to the point still manages to build suspense. but yeah.

no i know, i wasn't having a go at you. sorry if i sounded like i was. tv is driven by what entertains the masses, and generally complex storylines and plot twists ain't it. i know this. on the other side of the coin, i guess having read the books makes it harder for me to ignore it, while on your side, having not read the books means the show is proving itself to you on its own two legs, and you don't have the expectation or desire to see certain things eventuate as you read them. in some ways, i envy that. i feel like i'd probably enjoy this show a lot more if i hadn't read the books.

yeah, exactly this. morgan tells him to save the bullet, but in the books that zombie was just a random, too. it wasn't someone rick knew and was 'putting out of their misery', as such.

jumping into the tank at the end of the first episode was another example. i realise it got him the grenade that they used in the finale, which makes me doubly torn because it means they put in an event that was not in the books to justify an entire subplot that was not in the books. that's what i mean when i say the changes feel unnecessary, i guess.

Personally I found the CDC stuff to be a highlight of the first season. It was a nice break from the survivalist wagon train.
I'm not sure how it factors with the books, but that's my virgin take on it.

It will be interesting for me to read the books eventually.

I started, and was going to read along with the show. Maybe I will read more during this summer.
It's a long time between seasons.

they've never covered what happened during the time rick was in his coma, because the book follows rick. the only thing they ever really showed in a flashback was lori hooking up with shane. but again, that whole thing was handled way differently - it legitimately is construed as a once off kind of deal there, while in the series (until the reveal) i kind of felt like lori was being made out to be this huge slut who was porking shane well before her husband went under.

either way, i would say that the series has been sufficiently removed from the books for you to be able to read them and not spoil the series for yourself in the sense of "oh i know what's going to happen and how it's going to play out," because even i don't feel like that having read every issue to date, especially in light of the detours they keep taking.

but it might spoil it for you in the sense of "um, why are they doing this when they should be doing that?" kind of deal.

still, if you're interested, i would absolutely recommend reading them. like you said, got a year between seasons so if you read the book and see where they are vs. where they're going, it might provide you with some serious speculative ammo to kill the next 12 months with.

and at least then we could talk about people like axel and michonne and the governor and woodbury and such without everyone "looking" at us like we're crazy.

feel like there should be two threads for this series, because there is so much i want to say that i haven't for the benefit of those who haven't read the books. so screw whoever said "oh well it's good not a lot of people have read/it doesn't follow the books because you'd just ruin it for us", because that's not how i roll.

Use and label spoiler tags.

I, for one, would love to read your insight on the changes, even without having read the books.

So I haven't read this thread past the first page, but is this show actually good? I downloaded the first 2 episodes, but couldn't get into the first one. It was late at night though, maybe I should watch past the first 5 minutes?

Yeah, definitely watch it.

DVD is out next week. Entertainment Weekly put up a brief interview about season 2 with Robert Kirkman here. Most interesting tidbit is that we'll be seeing Hershel's farm.

just watched all of this, pretty incredible

so bummed that Emma Bell isn't on it anymore though. may be in love with her.

Can't wait for this to come back on.