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CSL 02-26-2011 04:53 PM

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Xero 02-26-2011 04:54 PM

Holy shit, that looks like an arena.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 3445578)
ARGH. Whatever, I give up. TNA is the worst thing ever and makes Hitler look like a kitten. Happy?

Why are you so pissy because people aren't just agreeing with you christ, calm down.

CSL 02-26-2011 04:58 PM

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Lara Emily 02-26-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 3445583)
I get why they do it, they dont need to give anyone free publicity, they gave a nod to ECW on occasion when they brought in talent from there but they were never really competition. TNA tends to put over other promotions, especially foreign, because they have a working relationship with them, but i think it adds credibility when they can bring a guy in and acknowledge that he's wrestled elsewhere and held championships rather than just suddenly existing because hes under WWE contract.

They have to do that though, they are a a lower company in the reality of the wrestling world, so saying someone is a former WWE, ECW, NJPW, etc.. champion brings credibility to them being in TNA because those titles probably have more prestige then the TNA world title (something TNA needs, credibility). WWE doesn't need to do that as much as a guy just being there kinda gives him a bit of credibility and no titles in North America are as prestigious as the WWE titles in the eyes of the Casual Fans

Xero 02-26-2011 04:59 PM

I'm not using this against TNA, because it IS generic, but lol at that lightning being similar to Rock's return.

Note: This is not a bash towards TNA, just something I found funny.

DaveBrawl 02-26-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kareru (Post 3445565)
most recently the wwe sign Booker-T and Kevin Nash a couple of days before TNA want them back as part of their big 'they v2' storyline.

That was probably the best thing they could have done for TNA since it finally put the focus more on Fortune than the reborn MEM.

As for the video, I thought it was funny. No need to look into it any more than that.

CSL 02-26-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3445592)
I'm not using this against TNA, because it IS generic, but lol at that lightning being similar to Rock's return.

Note: This is not a bash towards TNA, just something I found funny.

Not to mention he's been using that lightning gimmick since he showed up in TNA 5 years ago. So 'lol' at Rock's lightning being similar to Sting's?

Xero 02-26-2011 05:08 PM

You're right. Still doesn't make it any less funny to me, because I never saw it before.

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445587)
Why are you so pissy because people aren't just agreeing with you christ, calm down.

No, I'm pissy because I gave Xero more credit for that. The factors involved with TNA running an ECW PPV and a 30 second promo are so different it's not funny.

Like I said before, I don't expect anybody to agree with me. My point the whole time has been why all the TNA hate over the promo? I mean some of the posts have been pretty fucking hateful.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 05:14 PM

A lot of posters around here are fucking awful

Xero 02-26-2011 05:15 PM

A. I was pointing out more "One Last Stand" vs. "One Night Stand"

B. As I said, it's not really the promo but more of the fact that it's just added to a pile of angles/incidents/references to WWE that make TNA look second rate and pathetic.

CSL 02-26-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 3445606)
No, I'm pissy because I gave Xero more credit for that. The factors involved with TNA running an ECW PPV and a 30 second promo are so different it's not funny.

Like I said before, I don't expect anybody to agree with me. My point the whole time has been why all the TNA hate over the promo? I mean some of the posts have been pretty fucking hateful.

I wouldn't even say 'hateful', it's just straight up stupidity. If they'd been pushing this down everybody's throats for weeks, talking and hyping it up then fair enough, rant about it all you want, they're straight up ripping off WWE. But it's a 30 second video that appeared 1 week before 'the reveal'. It's nothing. It's a little addition to Sting's return given 'the rumours' as opposed to just bringing him out for the match totally unannounced. It just isn't remotely important. But naturally a bunch of dickheads either get all bent out of shape over nothing or try to explain why it's stupid because "I read internet! I have knowledge!" It's just the same old bollocks, not really worth trying to combat because the next mutant is just around the corner waiting to sign up here.

In regards to 'the video', I'm going to lay out how I see things with the use of smileys:

TNA - :p
WWE - :roll:
The average/common fan depending on preference (aka the ones that provide 98% of the revenue) :drool:/:-\/:roll:
TPWW/internet wrestling fan - :rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc::rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc:

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 05:23 PM

I don't think anyone whose opinion is of worth is :mad: more just apathetic, :-\ and :roll: oh and :rofl::lol::rofl::lol: cause of how bush league it is.

Sixx 02-26-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3445586)
Holy shit, that looks like an arena.

Pretty sure, wherever that is, bingo is just very popular.

whiteyford 02-26-2011 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445591)
They have to do that though, they are a a lower company in the reality of the wrestling world, so saying someone is a former WWE, ECW, NJPW, etc.. champion brings credibility to them being in TNA because those titles probably have more prestige then the TNA world title (something TNA needs, credibility). WWE doesn't need to do that as much as a guy just being there kinda gives him a bit of credibility and no titles in North America are as prestigious as the WWE titles in the eyes of the Casual Fans

I agree, and WWE would never put an other promotions title on par with their titles even if they did, but i dont think it hurts to acknowledge a wrestlers accomplishments before they got there, especially if its a foriegn promotion. Its one of the few things i like about TNA, but unless they trace their belt back to the NWA title, they dont have any real lineage of their own anyways.

CSL 02-26-2011 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445615)
I don't think anyone whose opinion is of worth is :mad: more just apathetic, :-\ and :roll: oh and :rofl::lol::rofl::lol: cause of how bush league it is.

There isn't a smiley for 'smug twat' though so I couldn't really cover the board entirely.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 05:34 PM

woo Sting

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 05:34 PM

Sting Woooo

Loose Cannon 02-26-2011 05:49 PM

I have no hate over the promo. have no hate over the angle. nothing against putting the title on Sting. nothing against the wrestlers on TNA.

I just can't stand some of the people calling the shots. I feel like they keep trying whatever they can to see if it will stick.

I don't know the answer to this, but can anybody really tell me if business has improved since Hogan/Bichoff, Flair, ECW, RVD, Kennedy, "They" "They" Part II, Fortune?

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3445613)
I wouldn't even say 'hateful', it's just straight up stupidity. If they'd been pushing this down everybody's throats for weeks, talking and hyping it up then fair enough, rant about it all you want, they're straight up ripping off WWE. But it's a 30 second video that appeared 1 week before 'the reveal'. It's nothing. It's a little addition to Sting's return given 'the rumours' as opposed to just bringing him out for the match totally unannounced. It just isn't remotely important. But naturally a bunch of dickheads either get all bent out of shape over nothing or try to explain why it's stupid because "I read internet! I have knowledge!" It's just the same old bollocks, not really worth trying to combat because the next mutant is just around the corner waiting to sign up here.

In regards to 'the video', I'm going to lay out how I see things with the use of smileys:

TNA - :p
WWE - :roll:
The average/common fan depending on preference (aka the ones that provide 98% of the revenue) :drool:/:-\/:roll:
TPWW/internet wrestling fan - :rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc::rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc:

This is the most accurate post I have ever read on anything.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 3445648)
This is the most accurate post I have ever read on anything.

LOL no it isn't

CSL 02-26-2011 06:44 PM

The latest slab of Lara Emily in-depth brilliance ladies and gentleman.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 07:13 PM

I already explained my position here. I don't need to repeat it and it certainly isn't in line with your analysis.

loopydate 02-26-2011 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bigslimjj (Post 3445436)
I still say the WWE started it by running that style of video,deliberately trying to copy off stings flavor.

You're kidding, right? They might as well have put flashing neon "The Undertaker is coming!" across the screen. There was nothing Sting-like about it until somebody's wishful thinking caught on and became "fact."

Sixx 02-26-2011 07:31 PM

:rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc::rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc:

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 07:34 PM

Ok forget all that for a second. Why the fuck was there some chicks interview playing up on the tna screen when sting was coming down the isle? Are they even gonna be able to edit that out? This is one of the things I agree with most people on. They need to step up production value. Also the new yellow and red sting symbol is ugly as shit. But the entrance was still cool. And it was still a good idea. Six pages now....Steadily proving my point about how this worked on the smarks.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 07:36 PM

woo Sting!

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 07:36 PM

People talking does not equal people watching, or excited or caring about it in the grand scheme.

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 3445684)
You're kidding, right? They might as well have put flashing neon "The Undertaker is coming!" across the screen. There was nothing Sting-like about it until somebody's wishful thinking caught on and became "fact."

Go back a few pages,check the video from starcade,and honestly tell me they didn't steal it. Bollocks.

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Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445692)
People talking does not equal people watching, or excited or caring about it in the grand scheme.

You certainly had a strong opinion about it. Woo Sting!!

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 07:39 PM

prolly just pan the crowd during that video screen fuck up BTWay

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 07:40 PM

My opinion is that it's not enough for me to give a shit to watch it. That the video was lame and that I'm still apathetic about TNA and their ability to be a entertaining promotion

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445697)
My opinion is that it's not enough for me to give a shit to watch it. That the video was lame and that I'm still apathetic about TNA and their ability to be a entertaining promotion

Well you could always become the 27th fan of ROH.

CSL 02-26-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445697)
My opinion is that it's not enough for me to give a shit to watch it. That the video was lame and that I'm still apathetic about TNA and their ability to be a entertaining promotion

lolllll what a stupid opinion

loopydate 02-26-2011 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bigslimjj (Post 3445693)
Go back a few pages,check the video from starcade,and honestly tell me they didn't steal it. Bollocks.

There are some really strong similarities, but 2-21-11 was also very similar to any number of UT hype videos they've done over two decades.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 07:46 PM

WWE stole the hype video from Sting just like Bret Hart stole the scorpion death lock. Neither was really Sting's to begin with and only a couple of people noticed.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 07:49 PM

But they're both rip offs. No doubt about it.

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3445703)
WWE stole the hype video from Sting just like Bret Hart stole the scorpion death lock. Neither was really Sting's to begin with and only a couple of people noticed.

The bottom line is that people look cooler in black leather,standing in the rain. Even though I'm sure both men's jackets were ruined.

CSL 02-26-2011 07:52 PM

Most leather jackets kick water directly in the balls.

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445655)
LOL no it isn't

Can you please tell me what the most accurate post I have ever read on anything is then?

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3445707)
Most leather jackets kick water directly in the balls.

that sounds delightful

a fresh splashing of water on the testicles can make even the grumpiest man grin

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 07:55 PM

http://www.tennisnow.com/images/mcenroe.jpg

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 07:56 PM

For all the TNA haters out there....
<a href="http://media.photobucket.com/image/flight of the conchords/tauhani/001.gif?o=42" target="_blank"><img src="http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/tauhani/001.gif" border="0"></a>

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 08:02 PM

One thing's for sure, if Undertaker shows up at WrestleMania sporting a glittery red cod piece, then we'll all know who's ripping off whom.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 3445708)
Can you please tell me what the most accurate post I have ever read on anything is then?

I don't know but CSL's statement wasn't accurate.


People who don't like 3-3-11 aren't angry haters, like you guy are trying to argue.

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3445716)
One thing's for sure, if Undertaker shows up at WrestleMania sporting a glittery red cod piece, then we'll all know who's ripping off whom.

I wonder how the cod piece does in the rain. There could be shrinkage.

CSL 02-26-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445719)
I don't know but CSL's statement wasn't accurate.


People who don't like 3-3-11 aren't angry haters, like you guy are trying to argue.

I didn't make out that anybody is an 'angry hater'. I haven't thoroughly read Tazz Dan's posts but I don't think he has either. It would fit your 'argument' a lot better if that had been the case though.

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3445727)
I didn't make out that anybody is an 'angry hater'. I haven't thoroughly read Tazz Dan's posts but I don't think he has either. It would fit your 'argument' a lot better if that had been the case though.

Tazz Dan said hater, and you argued TPWW's reaction to this is :mad::mad::mad::foc::foc::mad: how is that not you implying anger.

CSL 02-26-2011 08:29 PM

It's more of an implication of 'getting on your high horse' than anger and like I said, there isn't a 'smug cunt' smiley to cover all the bases.

VSG 02-26-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3445613)

In regards to 'the video', I'm going to lay out how I see things with the use of smileys:

TNA - :p
WWE - :roll:
The average/common fan depending on preference (aka the ones that provide 98% of the revenue) :drool:/:-\/:roll:
TPWW/internet wrestling fan - :rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc::rant::rant::mad::mad::foc::foc:

Fuck off, my only reply to that video was lots of this smiley: :rofl:

Lara Emily 02-26-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VSG (Post 3445743)
Fuck off, my only reply to that video was lots of this smiley: :rofl:

Precisely.

CSL 02-26-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3445742)
'smug cunt'


Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 08:30 PM

http://images.zaazu.com/img/arrogant...0667-large.gif

CSL 02-26-2011 08:31 PM

He's a bit fat [/complaint]

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 08:31 PM

i'd say he's a bit PHAT

VSG 02-26-2011 08:34 PM

YOUR MOM IS A BIT PHAT!

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 08:36 PM

oh I missed what Lee Chandler was doing there

MY FAULT

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 08:37 PM

LOL SUPREME BOTCH

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lara Emily (Post 3445719)
I don't know but CSL's statement wasn't accurate.


People who don't like 3-3-11 aren't angry haters, like you guy are trying to argue.

I never said they were angry haters. I said there are some hateful people towards TNA here, you're just mixing two different conversations into one.

Tazz Dan 02-26-2011 08:41 PM

Also, ooTin surely must be off fapping over the fact his thread has gone 7 pages so far.

DLVH84 02-26-2011 08:42 PM

Unlike Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair, I believe Sting is more willing to help out the younger talent in TNA, like he always tried to do in WCW. I believe it's the higher-ups (i.e. Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter, plus input from Hogan and Eric Jerkoff) that doesn't want that to happen.

CSL 02-26-2011 08:43 PM

Eric Jerkoff. Brilliant.

DaveBrawl 02-26-2011 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazz Dan (Post 3445708)
Can you please tell me what the most accurate post I have ever read on anything is then?

Gonna go with the "Thanks for your take" posts.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-26-2011 09:06 PM

It was probably that time in the Royal Rumble thread that I said people are going to bitch about anything and everything in wrestling. That was pretty accurate.

bigslimjj 02-26-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3445785)
It was probably that time in the Royal Rumble thread that I said people are going to bitch about anything and everything in wrestling. That was pretty accurate.

Most accurate post ever-CENA WINS

Xero 02-28-2011 01:28 PM

Chris Jericho weighs in on the 3-3-11 video:

'It drives me nuts and I'll tell you the reason why. I am the biggest fan of TNA as a concept. I want them to be huge, Vince wants them to be huge because the more competition there is, it's better for the business, it's better for the boys, it's better is for the fans. I don't understand their obsession with copying the WWE I think it's lame, I think its bush league and I don't get it, they have some of the best talent, some great idea men. Why do they do this? Why do their guys go out there and say 'When I was in the WWE I was left behind and I was held back'. If I was working for TNA I would project that it's the greatest wrestling company in the world because if you're not projecting it, why is anyone going to believe it? When we were in ECW it was small, I never made more than $250 a show but you would die for that company and when you came across that way, the fans came across that way and suddenly you have this underground revolution going on and it was real, it was a revolution, people believed it was the best. No one in TNA believes they are in the best company and if they don't believe it then why am I going to believe it as a fan? Why am I going to buy their product? It's just so bush league, they can do better than that and the guys on top there should know better and it really makes me mad because they're wasting money and they don't have to be wasting money but I'm not burying TNA I'm saying you should be ashamed of yourself because you can do better.'

Supreme Olajuwon 02-28-2011 01:40 PM

I dunno man. ECW was something special. And even when they were putting on a product that was 50 times better than WWF and WCW on their best days, they still couldn't cut it.

I do get what he's saying though. Find your own identity and grow out of it. But at the same time, lots of promotions with their own identity never grow. Look at ROH. Fantastic identity. Rabid fans. But they're stuck. The only promotions with any sustained long term success were WWF and WCW, so it would make sense to imitate them.

Fignuts 02-28-2011 01:47 PM

Yes, but not so blatantly.

Imitate them in subtle ways.

BigDaddyCool 02-28-2011 01:47 PM

TNA...how you constantly disappoint me.

Xero 02-28-2011 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3447287)
I dunno man. ECW was something special. And even when they were putting on a product that was 50 times better than WWF and WCW on their best days, they still couldn't cut it.

I do get what he's saying though. Find your own identity and grow out of it. But at the same time, lots of promotions with their own identity never grow. Look at ROH. Fantastic identity. Rabid fans. But they're stuck. The only promotions with any sustained long term success were WWF and WCW, so it would make sense to imitate them.

But there's a fine line between imitation and duplication. And I'm not even talking about something like this video. When I look at the core of TNA, all I see is 90% of the mistakes in the 90s being made in one company today. I honestly see TNA as the shitty parts of the Attitude Era with a better overall roster. It's commendable that they've tried these things. I won't berate them for TRYING things to see if they would work, even bringing in Hogan and Bischoff. In fact, I was kind of defending the decision of bringing them in until they showed exactly what they brought to the table. But when they clearly don't work and/or outright bomb, they continue doing the same things. They don't learn from their mistakes, and Dixie is loyal to a fault.

I've always believed that Sports Entertainment is the only pro wrestling product that will sell to the mainstream today, but that doesn't mean they have to try to be something they're not, can't or shouldn't be. They can be sports entertainment without being a rip-off or even a second-rate WWE.

Supreme Olajuwon 02-28-2011 01:55 PM

Yeah, you're definitely right. I dunno what the answer is. Obviously nobody does or else they would've figured it out.

BigDaddyCool 02-28-2011 02:04 PM

TNA's image is focused around all at once imitating/ripping off WWE while at the same time trying to throw rocks at WWE. Which is the problem. TNA really should be pretending WWE doesn't exist and just letting the stuff they are doing come naturally. Not constantly rehashing everything already done by ECW, WCW and WWE.

Emperor Smeat 02-28-2011 04:38 PM

Kind of hard for them to ignore or pretend WWE doesn't exist when every time the WWE releases a "big" name, TNA gets that person or persons and push them as their next big star.

They did have their chance to get rid of all those bad writers in the past but in the end managed to keep Russo and most of writers.


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