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FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 09:09 PM

Quote:

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports
lolololololol

SammyG 12-08-2011 09:13 PM

oh shut up. Whoever says this is a lopsided deal is a fucking moron. We lost the best PF in the game and the most versatile big in the game. This is a very even trade, if New Orleans didn't benefit from it.

SammyG 12-08-2011 09:13 PM

wait what? it's cancelled? lololo

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 09:14 PM

Quote:

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.

Crimson 12-08-2011 09:14 PM

I suppose they want him dealt to the Knicks for a 3rd round draft pick

Crimson 12-08-2011 09:15 PM

Im not a Laker fan but its bullshit if it gets cancelled

SammyG 12-08-2011 09:15 PM

you have got to be shitting me, owners.

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 09:16 PM

Quote:

CP3 Chris Paul
WoW
5 minutes ago

DaveWadding 12-08-2011 09:17 PM

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zzjpzb.jpg

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 09:17 PM

I guess it makes sense. The Hornets are league owned. If the owners don't want him to be traded to the Lakers, why should he be? But by this logic, he better not go to the Knicks either, or any other team that would be stacked by adding him

Juan 12-08-2011 09:18 PM

Damn

Evil Vito 12-08-2011 09:18 PM

<font color=goldenrod>LOL</font>

DaveWadding 12-08-2011 09:18 PM

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/OagFIQMs1tw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Triple Naitch 12-08-2011 09:24 PM

Theyll probably re-work the deal.

SammyG 12-08-2011 09:24 PM

CP3 better fucking stay in NO if he doesn't get dealt to us.

Crimson 12-08-2011 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FearedSanctity (Post 3698559)
I guess it makes sense. The Hornets are league owned. If the owners don't want him to be traded to the Lakers, why should he be? But by this logic, he better not go to the Knicks either, or any other team that would be stacked by adding him

I wana know how it got leaked to begin with, that it was basically done. GM doesn't let the owners know beforehand I assume:|

Emperor Smeat 12-08-2011 09:26 PM

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Sources said that a group of NBA owners, assembled in New York for the ratification of the league's new labor pact with the players, protested vigorously that the league-owned Hornets were trading Paul to the star-studded Lakers and convinced NBA commissioner David Stern to intervene.

"The deal is off," one source told ESPN.com.
Sounds like the other owners didn't even know a deal was in place until they met together to approve the new CBA and made sure Stern didn't just approve it like he did years ago with the Lakers-Grizzles lopsided trade.

Rockets might just try to make a deal without LA's help since the Hornets really want the players Houston offered but didn't really want Gasol from the Lakers.

SammyG 12-08-2011 09:28 PM

Uh yeah, this isn't a lopsided trade at all though. Even if you're a Laker hater you gotta acknowledge this is horseshit.

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG (Post 3698574)
Uh yeah, this isn't a lopsided trade at all though. Even if you're a Laker hater you gotta acknowledge this is horseshit.

Doesn't really matter if it was lopsided. Paul was their star, whoever they brought in wasn't going to put asses in the seats more than him. The fact this trade even got as far as it did without consulting the owners is pathetic on Stern's part

Triple Naitch 12-08-2011 09:34 PM

Nobody is putting asses in the seats in New Orleans. That's why they don't have an owner.

Buzzkill 12-08-2011 09:37 PM

Yeah, not sure why people are saying this is so lopsided. Pau and Odom for CP3 seems very reasonable, especially considering he's gonna be leaving NO soon anyways. (And I'm a Laker Hater)

DaveWadding 12-08-2011 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Naitch (Post 3698581)
Nobody is putting asses in the seats in New Orleans. That's why they don't have an owner.

They should get Tim Tebow to play point guard.

Triple Naitch 12-08-2011 09:40 PM

Would be phenomenal.

Juan 12-08-2011 09:49 PM

Sounds like the Lakers played a part in putting the deal on hold. They want a big man to end up on the Lakers along with Paul in the 3-team deal

Triple Naitch 12-08-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3698593)
Sounds like the Lakers played a part in putting the deal on hold. They want a big man to end up on the Lakers along with Paul in the 3-team deal

Dwight Howard

Juan 12-08-2011 10:06 PM

Plus, the verbiage on ESPN makes it seem like the deal is on hold, not completely dead.

Juan 12-08-2011 10:06 PM

"Chris Paul isn't a Laker ... yet. A source says the proposed three-team trade with New Orleans and Houston, which includes Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, won't be done Thursday."

Nark Order 12-08-2011 10:26 PM

LOL. THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY OF MY LIFE.

How is this not absolutely fucking hilarious to everybody?

Nark Order 12-08-2011 10:36 PM

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Irony: Somebody finally stops unfair trade involving Gasol.
lol

Buzzkill 12-08-2011 10:40 PM

This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Wow. Every single trade from now on is going to be questioned.

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 10:44 PM

Quote:

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
"The owners half-pushed this through, and Stern took it the rest of the way," a league source involved in nixed trade told Y! Sports.

(More) "In the end, David didn’t like that the players were dictating where they wanted to go," source says.

League source on killed deal: "...(Stern) wasn't going to let Chris Paul dictate where he wanted to go."

Tyguy 12-08-2011 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3698602)
"Chris Paul isn't a Laker ... yet. A source says the proposed three-team trade with New Orleans and Houston, which includes Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, won't be done Thursday."

I could break this whole thing down with facts, but I think I will settle it like this.

Fuck you Juan.

Juan 12-08-2011 11:31 PM

ok...?

brb gonna go check who's sock this is

Gertner 12-08-2011 11:45 PM

I'm sure Kobe will rape Stern into pushing this through.

Aguakate 12-08-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3698691)
I'm sure Kobe will rape Stern into pushing this through.

Literally.

IN THE ASS.

You know how Kobe gets down.

RoXer 12-08-2011 11:53 PM

welcome back

Nark Order 12-08-2011 11:56 PM

Aquakate officially out of retirement. Mark it. What a historic day.

FearedSanctity 12-08-2011 11:56 PM

Breaking it down for everyone who already got it

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:00 AM

Who's going to bring the balloons?

Aguakate 12-09-2011 12:01 AM

This is what the Heat need. To get the opportunity to win the Championship in 16 less games than a regular season, and then have the Lakers pair Kobe with Chris Paul, and possibly Dwight Howard, and see THEM win it all.

Gertner 12-09-2011 12:02 AM

Couldn't resist a rape joke

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:03 AM

I don't like how the Lakers feel that they are entitled to every amazing player on the planet.

Aguakate 12-09-2011 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 3698720)
Couldn't resist a rape joke

You had to VICIOUSLY stick one in there, didnt you?

Get it?

VICIOUSLY stick it one there?

Rape?


Thank you.

Shisen Kopf 12-09-2011 12:03 AM

NBA is fake

Gertner 12-09-2011 12:04 AM

lol can't believe the Pistons re-signed Prince for 4 years.

Aguakate 12-09-2011 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698721)
I don't like how the Lakers feel that they are entitled to every amazing player on the planet.

I wonder if the deal had gone through had the Angels NOT signed Albert Pujols to that mega-deal today (srs).

Some will be like "What does THAT have to do with THIS?" But it MAY have had an effect on the owners from other teams going like "Whoa, Los Angeles can't keep getting stronger".

Juan 12-09-2011 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698721)
I don't like how the Lakers feel that they are entitled to every amazing player on the planet.

lol

It really has nothing to do with that. Do you realize that the NBA has probably changed forever with what happened tonight?

I know you're a Laker hater, so your judgment is clouded, but David Stern has set a dangerous precedent with what he did.

What happened should outrage any NBA fan. You just don't see that because it's the Lakers and it's easier to be like "lol Lakers" than to understand what really happened.

Gertner 12-09-2011 12:11 AM

chris Paul should go to Utah for Memo Okur. I'd feel right about that deal.

Aguakate 12-09-2011 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698721)
I don't like how the Lakers feel that they are entitled to every amazing player on the planet.

Wait, wasn't this Miami?

I don't get it.

:shifty:

Juan 12-09-2011 12:13 AM

If you think Laker fans are the only ones that are outraged at what happened, then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:29 AM

After all of the shady stuff in the Lakers past, I can't help but smile at this. After the ref scandals and after the shady Gasol deal, all eyes are on the Lakers in the off-season. If you're going to run shady business practices, all eyes are going to be on your franchise. Now a team that is owned by the NBA gives up their best player for scraps to one of the biggest markets in the league? It looks awful. And you can try to justify what NO would've gotten out of the deal all you want, but the bottom line is that you don't progress in the league with a slew of mediocre players in exchange for the best point guard in the NBA. It all just looks ridiculous. If they're going to trade Paul, they should have the long term in mind and go for either young top guys or high draft picks. Kevin Martin and Lamar Odom are not going to bring you to a championship. Hornets would have a better chance at a championship with the current Hornets team with Chris Paul than they would with everything they would've gotten out of that trade.

It all just doesn't seem right. It's not so much what the Lakers gave up, it's what the Hornets got out of the deal.

Juan 12-09-2011 12:31 AM

That's all well and good, but the Commissioner nixing a deal just because he was pressured by owners is complete bullshit and the backlash from all of this seems to have been quick and almost universal. There's no denying that

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:38 AM

Well, the team is owned by the NBA and the owners... are part of the NBA. I'm not saying that it's a standard practice or that it should be done all the time, but this is quite the unique situation. If the Hornets weren't owned by the NBA, this wouldn't even be an issue. Then again, if the Hornets weren't owned by the NBA, this trade probably wouldn't have gone down in the first place. It's slippery, but it all just looks awful from a PR standpoint and David Stern can't afford to have any more money or trade scandals, especially when the Lakers are involved.

Juan 12-09-2011 12:43 AM

If the Hornets weren't owned by the NBA then this deal would have gone down for sure.

Stern wants to sell the team, so he wants Paul on the team to attract a buyer.

He would rather hurry up and sell the team, than let the Hornets actually get SOMETHING for Paul right now, than in 66 games when his contract is up and they get NOTHING for Paul.

FearedSanctity 12-09-2011 12:44 AM

I don't blame the owner's for this, they have every reason to be pissy about a trade that would make LA even more ridiculous. But given that it's the league's team, I think it's stupid that Stern let the trade get as far as it did without at least consulting it's "owners" first. Unacceptable on his part, and now he was to clean up the mess. If it costs him his job I wouldn't be surprised

FearedSanctity 12-09-2011 12:46 AM

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Cavs owner wanted trade blocked

By Yahoo! Sports Staff

Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert called the New Orleans Hornets’ proposed trade of Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers a “travesty,” and urged NBA commissioner David Stern to put the deal to vote of the league’s 29 owners in an email obtained by Yahoo! Sports. Gilbert sent the email to Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver and a handful of Gilbert’s ownership peers on Thursday.

The following is the email in its entirety:

Commissioner,

It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.

This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.

Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.

I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).

I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.

I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

Dan G.


An NBA spokesman said owners “didn’t kill the deal,” instead citing “basketball reasons,” for why the league office blocked the trade.

RoXer 12-09-2011 12:49 AM

He did not send that.

Juan 12-09-2011 12:50 AM

These whiney ass owner's should just worry about making their teams better instead of asking the Commissioner to bail them out.

RoXer 12-09-2011 12:50 AM

Quote:

When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
That did not go to his boss. No way.

Juan 12-09-2011 12:53 AM

Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown = OK. Pau Gasol + Lamar Odom for CP3 = NOT OK!

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juan (Post 3698777)
If the Hornets weren't owned by the NBA then this deal would have gone down for sure.

Stern wants to sell the team, so he wants Paul on the team to attract a buyer.

He would rather hurry up and sell the team, than let the Hornets actually get SOMETHING for Paul right now, than in 66 games when his contract is up and they get NOTHING for Paul.

Why would Chris Paul attract a buyer when they know he's going to leave in the next year or so? He's almost outright said so. Having Chris Paul on the team at the time of the sale means jack shit really.

FearedSanctity 12-09-2011 12:55 AM

lol NBA is so fucked. Better hurry up and just re-lockout

Nark Order 12-09-2011 12:58 AM

The trade basically painted the Hornets into mediocrity for quite some time while giving the Lakers a huge superstar and saving them quite a bit of cap money. I can see why a lot of owners would have a problem with this deal.

FearedSanctity 12-09-2011 01:00 AM

But...but...the trade wasn't canned because of the owners, it was BASKETBALL REASONS

Aguakate 12-09-2011 01:00 AM

I don't know if Dan Gilbert really was the person who basically went whining to the Commissioner about this deal, or if he wrote that email...but if he DID, I applaud LeBron for leaving Cleveland, because Gilbert is a disgrace.

Juan 12-09-2011 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698785)
Why would Chris Paul attract a buyer when they know he's going to leave in the next year or so? He's almost outright said so. Having Chris Paul on the team at the time of the sale means jack shit really.

Because if he stays on the team there's at least a chance of him staying?

I know he's said he wants out, but I just can't see a team without Paul costing the same as a team with Paul, regardless of his contract situation.

Dragon 12-09-2011 01:04 AM

Stern shouldn't have nixed the deal when it got as far as it did, but I don't really understand why the Hornets would want to do that deal anyway. I mean they were getting back no young players at all and taking on $15M in the process. I don't see how that helps the team for the future. One thing for sure is that the team obviously needs to be sold though.

Juan 12-09-2011 01:05 AM

Looks like the Player's Union are gonna "fight" the NBA over this blocked deal.

Dragon 12-09-2011 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3698792)
I don't know if Dan Gilbert really was the person who basically went whining to the Commissioner about this deal, or if he wrote that email...but if he DID, I applaud LeBron for leaving Cleveland, because Gilbert is a disgrace.

I'm sure Gilbert wrote the letter. He's still hurting over Lebron leaving. Don't people remember the letter he wrote after that whole fiasco?

Dragon 12-09-2011 01:07 AM

At least Stern was smart enough to pull this move after ratifying the new CBA. Would have been chaos if this happened before it was official.

Aguakate 12-09-2011 01:07 AM

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...medium=twitter



By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine


Dwight Howard is preparing to ask the Orlando Magic to trade him to the New Jersey Nets, according to sources close to the situation.


Howard's representatives have told the Nets that they are his preferred destination.


Howard has yet to tell the Magic that he will not re-sign with them after this season, but the sources said he will within the next few days, perhaps as early as Friday. There is also a chance that Howard will not attend the opening of training camp Friday, according to one of the sources.


As ESPN.com reported last week, the Nets are ready to offer the Magic a package built around center Brook Lopez and two first-round draft picks, New Jersey's own and one the Nets acquired from Houston in a previous trade, according to sources.


If necessary, New Jersey is also willing to take back Hedo Turkoglu and the three years, $34 million remaining on his deal.


The appeal of the Nets for Howard is the chance to play with all-star point guard Deron Williams and excitement over the Nets' move into a brand new arena in Brooklyn for the start of the 2012-13 season.


Williams and Howard spoke several times about teaming up during the lockout.


If Howard is indeed committed to joining the Nets, he can all but force the Magic to make the trade by declaring his intentions not to sign a long-term contract with any other team, thereby assuring that those clubs make low-ball offers to Orlando.


Howard's decision to go to the Nets would put a monkey wrench in the Los Angeles Lakers' plan to team Howard with Kobe Bryant by trading Andrew Bynum for the Magic center.


The Nets are continuing to pursue free agent center Nene just in case their plan to acquire Howard falls through. That would seem to indicate that they expect a deal for Howard to begin coming together fairly soon.

Dragon 12-09-2011 01:10 AM

LOL, perfect timing by Dwight to ask to get traded to a specific team. Exactly what the owners and Stern were crying about with the Paul thing.

Nark Order 12-09-2011 01:26 AM

Dwight Howard should be commended for wanting to go to the Nets. Who in their right mind wants to go to the fucking Nets?

alvarado52 12-09-2011 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragon (Post 3698795)
Stern shouldn't have nixed the deal when it got as far as it did, but I don't really understand why the Hornets would want to do that deal anyway. I mean they were getting back no young players at all and taking on $15M in the process. I don't see how that helps the team for the future. One thing for sure is that the team obviously needs to be sold though.

Are you kidding me? They would have been a playoff team easily. The 'future' was Chris Paul/West, and it didnt work out well...maybe they wanted to try the present?

Fact of the matter is, Stern is stupid for killing this trade because:
1) this late in the trade, all of a sudden he becomes untouchable? Lets just put every player and team involved in an awkward position after the intention has been made.
2) Chris Paul is LEAVING, be it in 66 games, or now...and youre gonna stop the Hornets from getting anything in return? Not sure that 'future' looks any better by keeping him.


Fuck Gilbert. Guarantee if James said 'im out this bitch' to them before he became a FA in Cleveland, they'd have traded him for an entire team's roster if it came up.

alvarado52 12-09-2011 01:32 AM

im not understanding the thought of the Hornets getting the shit end of this deal. The Rockets would have by basically giving up Scola, K.Mart, and others for one player in Pau Gasol.

Look at those pieces the Hornets were getting and tell me they wouldnt have been a solid team. Look at them now and tell me how they're a better team.

SammyG 12-09-2011 02:01 AM

Seriously, NO wins from this trade. And yes, I do believe that letter from the Cavs' Owner. D12 just asked to be dealt to NJ... I'm sure Stern will allow that one.. Fucking jew.

Juan 12-09-2011 02:14 AM

Danny Granger:
Due to the sabotaging of the LA/NO trade by david stern, and following in the footsteps of my athlete brethern Metta World Peace and Chad Ochocinco, I'm changing my last name to "Stern's Bi#&h" #effectiveimmediately


jrich23 Jason Richardson
Once again Buck Nasty a.k.a Dan Gilbert is letting his wrath being felt by being the main voice in the CP trade block.


@jalenrose
JALEN ROSE
It will NEVER be an equal way to distribute star players for every
team/city! #NBA

jrich23 Jason Richardson
Speechless about the @CP3 block trade. Smh


Jason Richardson: I'm a lil lost. What is the term "For Basketball Reasons" isn't it the NBA? yesterday

Andre Iguodala: Best wishes to @Chris Paul - that (bleep) cray.... yesterday

Jason Richardson: Speechless about the @Chris Paul block trade

Mario Chalmers: I can't believe they doin my homie @Chris Paul like that wow is right. Twitter


Micky Arison: Whatever happens with @Chris Paul all I can say is I wish him the the best. A class act. Twitter


Terrence Williams: It's krazy @Chris Paul is not waking up a laker and it's dumb I'm not able to run that pick and roll with gasol smh sad disappointing day 4 NBA about 7 minutes ago


Danny granger:
Did Stern just kill the @chrispaul deal!?! Wait...what..? #canhedothat?

Droford 12-09-2011 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698813)
Dwight Howard should be commended for wanting to go to the Nets. Who in their right mind wants to go to the fucking Nets?

When they move to Brooklyn in 2012..I imagine it'll make them a big deal.

Juan 12-09-2011 02:24 AM

I honestly think the deal was nixed because Stern & Co. were afraid that D12 was next. Now that D12 is going to NJ, what are the odds that the CP3 deal "miraculously" goes thru?

FearedSanctity 12-09-2011 02:27 AM

It's possible, but I think it'll stay canceled. Stern looks stupid enough, things would get worse for him if he backs off

Droford 12-09-2011 03:02 AM

I like how the Wiz need to spend $9 million based on the salaries from last year just to hit the salary floor and they're basically gutting 1/2 the team as well..can't wait for Washington Wizards basketball..gonna be ugly..getting all excited for Roger Mason Jr. coming back..oooh

ugh

Droford 12-09-2011 03:04 AM

Also, Im pissed off no ones starting the TPWW fantasy league up.

Juan 12-09-2011 04:30 AM

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Nixed Paul deal makes NBA look like second-rate bush league
By Ken Berger | CBSSports.com NBA Insider


On the very day that the NBA was supposed to be back, embracing us with this charade of a 66-game season after five months of a pointless lockout, it stepped into the worst kind of purgatory.

What happened Thursday, the incomprehensible events you'd expect from a second-rate, minor league sport, did far more damage than the lockout ever did -- or ever could. After years of fans, both casual and hard-core, not to mention the disciplined executives and coaches working in the business, believing that something always wasn't quite right -- something was rotten in Denmark -- the NBA finally proved it.

This whole thing Thursday reeked to high heaven, and the NBA is going to pay a very dear price for it.

Having spoken with team executives getting back into the swing of things since the tentative deal on a new collective bargaining agreement was reached two weeks ago, I heard the anger. No sooner had the beleaguered negotiators slept off the 15-hour bargaining session that finally resulted in the deal, it was back to business as usual. After a five-month lockout that was supposedly about restoring competitive balance -- we can all hear deputy commissioner Adam Silver's mind-numbing, and as it turns out, empty soliloquy ringing in our ears -- it was right back to Chris Paul wanting to be in New York, Dwight Howard in L.A., and on and on and on.

"Pathetic," is how one team executive described the mayhem that played out Thursday, before commissioner David Stern somehow found a way to make it worse by canceling a trade that would've sent superstar Chris Paul from the Hornets to the Lakers for what a league spokesman laughably called "basketball reasons."

On a day when it became apparent that the Knicks would maneuver for the top free agent on the market, Tyson Chandler, the Lakers brokered a three-team deal to acquire Paul from the Hornets. One of the brightest GMs in the league, Houston's Daryl Morey, was involved in the transaction, as was Hornets GM Dell Demps -- a savvy, no-nonsense basketball man who came up through the San Antonio Spurs organization, which is like getting your MBA in NBA.

Everybody in the sport has known for a long time that Paul was leaving New Orleans; it was only a question of when, and how. Paul was fleeing the Hornets, a decrepit, decaying franchise that was put there by Stern as part of a contagious disease of over-expansion that, more than anything, led to the crippling financial losses and the lockout that the league just endured.

Or had endured, until this.

When owner George Shinn, who couldn't hack it in Charlotte, couldn't hack it in New Orleans, either, the NBA's other 29 franchises assumed custodianship until a new owner could be found. The Hornets had been able to manage their basketball affairs as they saw fit, with Demps and coach Monty Williams reporting to -- and only to -- league-appointed governor Jac Sperling. The Hornets finally got their act together last season, miraculously eclipsing an attendance quota that prevented their arena lease from opening, and they made trades and did the other business of running a basketball team without incident.

In February 2011, the league-owned Hornets took on more than $2 million in salary as part of a trade in which they acquired Carl Landry from the Sacramento Kings. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, responsible for 1/29th of that money, decried the move as "absolutely, positively wrong."

The incident highlighted why a league or the other owners shouldn't collectively own one of the franchises in a sports cartel, but it blew over and everyone went on their merry way. It was swept under the carpet, the same one under which all the other carcasses of NBA scandals are buried.

It was all fine and dandy in the fantasy world of the NBA until Stern on Thursday decided to undercut and permanently impugn the power of the general manager who's supposed to be in charge of basketball decisions for the team that the league shouldn't own, but does. Until Stern passive-aggressively took out his frustration, and that of his owners, over a collective bargaining agreement that he couldn't negotiate punitively enough. Was it for "basketball reasons" that Stern did this, making a full-on mockery of the men who run his teams in a way that sullied the NBA's public image and credibility far more than any superstars flocking toward each other could?

"We are ruled by a dictator," said one of several angered and flummoxed team executives I spoke with Thursday night in the aftermath of this bush-league decision, one that threatens to blow the lid off the power struggle that has brewing between owners and players for months in the bargaining room -- and, in truth, for decades otherwise.

"What if this had been done before the players voted on the deal?" a management source said. "They wouldn't have voted for it."

And while Paul was said to be discussing his legal options with Billy Hunter, the executive director of the National Basketball Players Association, the frustration across the league is such that a grievance or protest letter will hardly suffice. And if the players and their union were capable of organizing a press conference -- much less getting, oh, half the union membership to vote on the new CBA -- then the only rational and meaningful course of action here would be for 450 players to refuse to show up for work Friday when training camps are scheduled to open.

I know of at least one player who won't be at training camp Friday; that would be Paul, who almost assuredly will be a no-show, according to a person in contact with the Hornets' hierarchy. This is only a minor symptom of the pandemic Stern unleashed on the NBA Thursday. He turned Paul, one of the bright, smiling stars of the league who had never once publicly griped or demanded to be traded, into a villain.

"I believe in free agency," Stern said, incredibly, at the news conference announcing that owners had ratified this CBA they're now railing against by a vote of 25-5. "We have a deal where a player who has completed his time at a team under a contract has a right to go someplace else. And then there are potential judgments to be made by teams about whether there's a time when they want to consider getting something more for that player in the event he will leave. ... So nothing has changed about that. That dynamic is the same."

Unless you're the team that's owned by the rest of the teams, and they're out to get the pound of flesh they couldn't get at the bargaining table -- even though they did get a cool $3 billion over 10 years, no matter where Chris Paul or anybody else plays.

Make no mistake, this is pure ugliness -- warped, second-rate foolishness you'd expect to find in some half-baked, fringe semi-pro league office in Topeka or Toledo. This is the NBA becoming the Bad News Bears right before our horrified eyes.

Small- and mid-market teams being angry with the big-market star-poaching that was happening on the very day when the new CBA was approved is only half the story. Half the story is what Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert told in a letter he wrote to Stern Thursday requesting that the Paul trade be disallowed.

"I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen," Gilbert wrote in the letter, obtained by Yahoo Sports. "I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way I do."

Gilbert pointed out that the trade would net the Lakers the best player in the deal and save them $40 million in salary and luxury taxes over the next three seasons. But this is not what would've happened. It was widely known that Paul, after a six-month waiting period instituted in the new CBA, would sign a new five-year, $100 million contract with the Lakers after opting out of his contract on July 1. And the Lakers, who'd be bereft of big men after sending Pau Gasol to the Rockets and Lamar Odom to the Hornets, would need to spend more to replace that size or risk having Kobe Bryant keel over in frustration while Paul futilely dribbled in circles with nobody to receive his magical passes.

While there was no question the Lakers were getting a huge star, it was hardly a guarantee that the trade would make them appreciably better. In fact, several rival GMs calculated that the trade may have made the Lakers worse in the short term, and applauded Demps for getting a haul of quality players (Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin) plus Goran Dragic and a first-round pick for a player everybody knew would one day leave on his own.

"Are they saying that Stu Jackson or David Stern or whoever the ___ it is knows more than the experienced GMs who made this deal?" one person involved in front-office dealings said.

Of the players Demps was going to get, three are capable starters, and one (Dragic) is a low-priced yet effective backup point guard. The draft pick in 2012, formerly belonging to the Knicks and only top-five protected, promises to be in the middle of the first round round of a deep and loaded draft. Only one player -- Scola, one of the most efficient post players in the league -- carries significant financial obligations beyond next season. Martin, who scores 20 points a night in his sleep, is 28 and has two years left totaling about $25 million -- or, the same total amount the Clippers lavished on Caron Butler Thursday without anyone stepping in to stop that.

It made sense, too, for the Rockets, who cleared $3.5 million and would've had room with the amnesty of one player to offer a max contract to a free agent like Nene -- or use the space in other creative ways. Gasol, among the league's most gifted big men, would fill the gaping hole in the middle left by Yao Ming's premature retirement.

Would the Lakers turn around and offer Andrew Bynum to Orlando in a trade for Dwight Howard, and is that what Stern and his petulant owners were afraid of? Well, with no other assets to offer, if the Lakers had traded Bynum straight-up for Howard between now and Christmas, that would've been a trade no one would argue with if it were called off for "basketball reasons." The Lakers weren't trading for Howard any more than Paul was staying in New Orleans beyond this season.

But more than that, the NBA has the fresh stench of a scandal wafting over it as it re-opens for business Friday -- re-opens for business as usual. The lockout ended, but the circus tent and all the pent-up anger and aggression inside of it hasn't gone away.

Immediately on the heels of a lockout that obviously accomplished nothing, the NBA managed to step into an even bigger pile of its own waste before the first whistle had even been blown or basketball dribbled. This supposedly healed economic model resulted in a trade that was disallowed because the sad-sack, charity case team supposedly couldn't be trusted to make its own decisions. And after this, how will that team possibly be able to make it any more? After making a credible, beneficial trade under the circumstances, how is Demps going to find a way to save his franchise with a better one?

But something bigger than that happened Thursday. The NBA became the place where conspiracy theories and frozen envelopes and suspicious whistles are no longer the stuff of overactive imaginations or the objects of cold stares from company men. It all came home to roost with this decision from Stern Thursday night, a fine way to take something that was already going to be a struggle -- a lockout-shortened season filled with bad blood and worse basketball -- and turn it into something far worse.

The punchline of a sorry excuse for a joke, under a circus tent growing more inflated by the minute.

Juan 12-09-2011 04:38 AM

Do yourself a favor, if you want to understand why not just Laker fans are upset at what happened Thursday, read that article

Juan 12-09-2011 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3698774)
and David Stern can't afford to have any more money or trade scandals, especially when the Lakers are involved.

Except that everyone knows that the cloud of doubt and "shadyness" was cast over David Stern and Tim Donaghy over the events you're alluding to.

There is no "eye" to keep on the Lakers, except if you're in the train of thought that the NBA favors the Lakers, which after today, should be obvious is non-existent.

DaveWadding 12-09-2011 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3698851)
Also, Im pissed off no ones starting the TPWW fantasy league up.

I did. Did you miss that?

Droford 12-09-2011 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding (Post 3698908)
I did. Did you miss that?

yes, obviously

Im in..may not make the draft but I will try.

Evil Vito 12-09-2011 10:47 AM

Brandon Roy retires.

Triple Naitch 12-09-2011 12:01 PM

This trade is causing problems with execs in the league like a bullshit trade in a fantasy baseball league.

Evil Vito 12-09-2011 12:50 PM

LOL apparently the Nets met with Dwight Howard yesterday. Would be a major violation of tampering rules.

Emperor Smeat 12-09-2011 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 (Post 3698977)
Brandon Roy retires.

Too bad he got too injured prone considering the Blazers were building up for a while to become the next potential big team in the West.

RoXer 12-09-2011 03:01 PM

The Sixth Day of NBA Christmas
Day 6: When Chris Paul let us know David Stern had stayed too long
By Bill SimmonsPOSTED DECEMBER 9, 2011

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Note: This could end up being one of the craziest months in NBA history. To celebrate the signings, trades, rumors, roster shuffling, insanity and (almost definitely) ensuing hilarity/incompetence, I have unleashed a special series called "The 12 Days of NBA Christmas." Every weekday through December 19 (give or take a day), I will be writing about this unexpected NBA Christmas.

Day 1: The Road to Groundhog Day (and more dumb contracts than ever)
Day 2: The Donut Dilemma (the bubble in the center market)
Day 3: Is Arron Afflalo really worth $50 million?
Day 4: Where the hell is Chris Paul going?
Day 5: Inside Grantland Featuring Blake Griffin, Part II
Day 6: (12/9) The Day the NBA Lost Its Way

Norm MacDonald's Comedy Central show may not have lasted long, but it left behind my favorite two-word phrase of 2011: "Wait, what?" The bit went like this: Norm would read a completely insane story with a totally straight face, milk it for a beat, then do a double-take and scream, "Wait, what???" It always slayed me.

See, life is full of those "Wait, what???" moments … you know, like yesterday, right after the Lakers pulled off a three-team trade for Chris Paul, when everyone was still digesting that stunning news through phone calls, e-mails and tweets. I had just tweeted a joke about coming to grips with my favorite point guard — Paul, a true artist, maybe the best pure point guard who ever lived — playing across the street from my office, for the team I hate the most, ultimately deciding that I just needed to get drunk. Not even a minute later, my cell phone rang. A friend of mine was on the line. He's never steered me wrong. And now, he was about to put me into a freaking stupor.

"The trade's off! The NBA vetoed the trade!!!"

Wait, what?

"The NBA vetoed the trade! They said it wasn't in the best interests of the league."

WAIT, WHAT?

"You heard me. They said it wasn't in the best interests in the league. Chris has to play out the year in New Orleans."

You know the rest. One of the strangest things about loving sports: Those random moments when you're sitting in your house, your office, your classroom, wherever … and suddenly you get blown away by a legitimate bombshell. This was crazy. This was insane. This made no sense. By blocking the trade, David Stern was willingly creating his own Watergate and validating every critic who ever claimed, "That guy stayed too long." Tim Donaghy was just one guy acting alone — we think — and tampering with dozens of games before they caught him. Blocking the Paul trade? This was different. This was Big Brother stuff. This was one of the biggest conflicts of interest in sports history. This was a league intentionally jeopardizing its own credibility. This was a scandal popping out of thin air, self-created, almost like a man-made lake or something.

These are the facts: Twelve months ago, the NBA bought the New Orleans Hornets for a little more than $300 million. Every other owner (29 in all) split the price for the franchise, the same way you'd split a meal 12 ways for your buddy's birthday or something. Stern and his cronies claimed this wouldn't be a problem, that Hornets GM Dell Demps would be able to swing moves just like any other general manager. When Mark Cuban flipped out in February after a Carl Landry/Marcus Thornton swap caused New Orleans' payroll to rise, nobody really cared. When the lockout dragged on for five months and nobody ever seriously considered contracting the Hornets — a franchise that lost money AND couldn't find an owner — nobody really cared. When the Hornets stole the spotlight after the labor agreement by immediately being involved in 50,000 different trade rumors, nobody really cared. We all assumed things were "on the level."

And why not? We had no reason to think differently … right? The league made a point of saying that Demps had been empowered to make any trade (without interference). Every team dealing with New Orleans believed that Demps was in charge — without any question — and that they weren't wasting their time spending their days batting around ideas with him. On Wednesday morning, when I was working on my column about Paul trades, I sniffed around on Stern's role in the trade talks and got the same answer from different people: It's Dell Demps' call. I ended up joking in that column that Stern might block a Clippers/Paul trade to avoid having Donald Sterling own one of the league's signature franchises. Everyone read that and got the joke.

I mean, Stern wouldn't actually BLOCK a trade. That's preposterous. Right?

Fast-forward to Thursday night: Those first few minutes after word spread (not only that the trade was canceled, but that Paul would probably remain in New Orleans for the entire season), as everyone came to the same sobering conclusion. The old man finally lost his mind. Sure, he was pushed there by a cluster of bitter owners, but the old Stern never would have rolled over like that. Twenty years ago, 10 years ago, maybe even five years ago, Stern would have brushed them off in his endearingly condescending way, quelled the fire, called in a favor or two, acted like the politician he always secretly was. Not this time. The old man doesn't have the same sway. We just witnessed it during that lockout. Few people understood how much time and effort he spent pushing his holdout owners toward that final compromise. He barely got there.

If you want to know the truth, Stern started losing control of the league during the middle of last decade, when a new generation of wealthy billionaires started paying full boat for franchises. The days of Abe Pollin and Bill Davidson were long gone — family guys who bought in early, stuck with their investments and watched their league flourish into something much bigger than they ever expected. Stern's favorite owner was Larry Miller, a dynamic Salt Lake City businessman and philanthropist who bought the Jazz in 1985, then ran the franchise with his family for the next 24 years. A year after diabetes claimed Miller in May of 2009, Stern met the press before a playoff game and spoke earnestly about his affection for Miller. Someone asked the commissioner about Jerry Sloan's longevity. At the time, Sloan was still coaching the Jazz at 67 years old, six months older than Stern.

"We're a dying breed," Stern admitted. "It's not happening anymore. But it sure is reassuring to look there and expect to see him, and darn, he's there. It's kind of neat."

That's probably how Stern thought people saw him. Or, how he hoped people saw him. And in some cases (like with me), it was true. Little did he know that Sloan was losing control of his players — in 2011, an ongoing clash with star Deron Williams caused Sloan to resign — just like Stern was slowly losing control of his owners. The newer generation of guys wasn't indebted to him. They found him to be increasingly obstinate, stuck in his ways, more of a condescending bully than anything. After paying full sticker price for their teams, they weren't interested in answering to some aging know-it-all. Stern's control slowly started to erode, whether he realized it or not.

Leaders thrive when they feel creatively empowered, when they trust the people around them, when their confidence is swelling. Leaders make mistakes when they lose that same confidence, when they're fretting about their power base, when they're reacting instead of acting. The worst kind of leaders hang on too long, get seduced by their own voice, start doing things from memory — because that's the way we've always done it! — stop thinking outside the box, start playing checkers instead of chess. Stern reached that point last night. I think he caved because of the whining owners, but also out of exasperation: because yet another superstar was trying to push his way to another big city, because he's in charge, because THIS IS DAVID STERN'S LEAGUE. It's like the old Will Ferrell/Dodge Stratus SNL sketch:

You don't talk to me like that! I'm David Stern! I make the rules here! You don't get to pick your team, I do! I'm the commissioner of the NBA! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!!!!!

Fact: That trade was totally, undeniably, 100 percent defensible.

Fact: Of the three teams involved, New Orleans made out the best. Repeat: the best. By my calculations, it landed one of the better offensive big men in basketball (Luis Scola), one of the better scoring 2-guards in basketball (Kevin Martin), a playoff-proven forward who can play either spot (Lamar Odom), a scoring point guard with upside (Goran Dragic), and a 2012 no. 1 pick (via the New York Knicks). Can you do better for someone who was leaving in seven months anyway? I hate trading superstars, but if you HAVE to trade a superstar? That's pretty good.

Meanwhile, the Rockets spent the past three years stashing enough pieces to make that trade: Acquiring the second-best center in basketball (Gasol) while leaving enough cap room to sign a marquee free agent (and yes, they were closing in on Nene). And the Lakers paid the steepest price: giving up their best low-post guy and all of their frontcourt depth, giving Andrew Bynum an immense amount of responsibility (you know, the same guy who stormed off the court half-naked during the playoff sweep last spring) and reinventing their team around Paul's aching knee and Kobe's aching knees. It would have been a brilliant move had it worked and a legendary disaster had it failed — especially if Kobe rebelled against sharing the ball with Paul — only now we'll never know.

Once word leaked of the deal, rival owners started rebelling almost immediately. What was the point of that lockout, and all the talk of competitive balance, if the Lakers were allowed to immediately acquire Chris Paul? Dan Gilbert sent a scathing e-mail to a few of the other owners that, of course, was leaked on the Internet last night.

The best part of the letter: "This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets."

(Translation: "Let's cut Demps' balls off, throw the last few weeks of negotiating out the window and go back on our word. Also, I'm thinking of starting a support group for small-market owners who overpaid for their teams, don't have the balls to sell and would rather whine, bitch and bully about their lot in NBA life. I'm going to call it O.A.: Overpayers Anonymous.")

The second-best part of the letter: "I just don't see how we can allow this trade to happen. I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do. When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?"

(Translation: Boooooooo hooooooo.)

There it was, in all its Comic Sans MS glory, that whopping conflict of interest that had been staring at everyone for 12 solid months. How can a league own one of its own franchises? What happens if it has to, you know, make important trades and stuff? The league always knew that, at some point, the Hornets might have to trade Chris Paul. They claimed they had a plan in place. And they did. Until O.A. started bitching with even more fervor than usual. That's when Stern's eroding power finally sank him. Instead of backing a decision he had already made, Stern choked like Nick Anderson. The unthinkable happened.

He blocked the trade.

Wait, what?

Was it the worst moment of David Stern's entire tenure? I never thought anything would top an official fixing games, but man … how can anything be worse than this? Imagine this happened in your fantasy league. Imagine spending weeks shaping a deal, executing it, then having your commissioner waltz in and say, "Nah, I'm vetoing that one." Would that ever happen? And now this is happening in a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE?

Just know that I'm a die-hard Celtics fan and die-hard Lakers hater … and even I am appalled. I hope Chris Paul sues. I hope the Rockets sue. I hope the Lakers sue. I hope Dell Demps resigns and makes a sex tape with a stripper wearing a David Stern Halloween mask. Whatever happens, the season has been irrevocably tainted — we just watched FIVE teams have their seasons screwed up by this debacle. Houston's three-year plan just went up in smoke; now the Rockets have to make up with their two best players. (Good luck with that.) The Lakers need to determine if their relationship with the notoriously sensitive Gasol and the even more notoriously sensitive Odom is salvageable; and if it's not, what then? The Hornets are just plain screwed. It's a basketball catastrophe for them. As for the Celtics, Pinocchio Ainge's ill-fated pursuit of Paul ruined the team's relationship with Rajon Rondo, only its best young player. Even the Knicks got screwed — supposedly they closed the deal with Tyson Chandler yesterday, never expecting Paul to become available this summer (and now they can't chase him).

The total tally: Five teams were screwed by one cowardly decision.

Here's what saddens me: We should have remembered December 8, 2011, as one of the best random basketball days in years. It was like climbing on a Twitter/e-mail/phone call/texting roller coaster from the moment I woke up. First, Boston was in the lead for Paul as Golden State and the Clippers were falling out. Then, Boston fading as the Knicks were gaining steam. Around lunchtime, I called a Knicks buddy who was gleefully planning a future with Chandler, Carmelo and Paul, with poor Amar'e headed to New Orleans, Orlando, Houston … who the hell knew? And then, boom! That went up in smoke. The Lakers came roaring back, word of a three-teamer spread … and my Knicks buddy went from euphoric to despondent in less than three hours. My Laker fan buddies were crowing, my Boston peeps were freaking out, my dad was practically having a heart attack about the Kobe/Howard/Paul possibilities, Twitter was blowing up … I mean, could that have been a more fun day to be a basketball fan?

The best point guard of his generation was switching teams, in his prime, to the Los Angeles Lakers … and only after the Celtics and Knicks failed to get him. Read that sentence again. It's what Dan Gilbert and the other Overpayers Anonymous owners will never understand. In professional basketball, history trumps everything else. It's not just about playing in Los Angeles. It's about playing for the fucking Lakers. It's about following the footsteps of Magic, Kareem, Wilt, West, Baylor and Shaq. It's about Showtime, Nicholson, the yellow jerseys, the Laker Girls, even that awful Randy Newman song. It's about that buzz before a big Laker home game, when the place is packed with celebs and eye candy, when you're the best guy on the team, when you might as well be the king of the world. When these idiots complain about a "big market/small market" disparity, it's almost like they never followed the league before they bought their teams. Of course there's a disparity! What kid doesn't grow up wanting to play for the Celtics, Lakers or Knicks?

Remember what pissed us off most about LeBron picking Miami over New York? It wasn't just that he tried to stack the decks with a superteam; it's that he walked away from New York, the city with the most basketball fans, the city with the biggest spotlight, the city that would have either made him immortal or broken him in two. He didn't want it. He copped out. He could have picked loyalty (Cleveland) or immortality (New York); instead, he chose help (Miami). That killed us. We hated him for it. What was telling about Chris Paul's choice was that he eschewed the Clippers (a safer basketball situation for him; he would have been able to grow with Eric Gordon, DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin) for the Lakers (a much more volatile basketball situation with Kobe's miles and Bynum's knees) for the simple reason that he wanted to be a Laker.

For the right players, it's not about cities as much as teams, uniforms, histories, owners, fans, titles … and Chris Paul cares about the right things. He's the best teammate in the league. As much as it killed me that my least favorite team landed him, the "basketball fan" side of me loved it. Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant … together? Playing across the street from my office? How cool was that? I remember when KG landed on the Celtics, one of my Lakers-fan buddies told me, "I hate KG and I hate the Celtics, but this is going to be cool."

That's how I felt about Chris Paul and the Lakers. If you love basketball — if you truly love it — you appreciated what was happening. And it had nothing to do with the Washington Generals. Believe me.

Of course, that's not how December 8, 2011 will be remembered. Years from now, I won't remember anything about that day except for David Stern losing control of his own league. Once upon a time, it was reassuring to look there and expect to see him, and darn, he was there. It was kind of neat. Those days are long gone. The National Basketball Association has lost its way. I feel like crying.

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Splaya 12-09-2011 03:16 PM

The NBA is an absolute circus right now. I agree with Juan on this subject but I also see everyone else's opinion on it. Who I do not agree with is David Stern and the owners. This is why a league cannot run a team...this basically boils down to collusion. If I were the Hornets, I would threaten to boycott the season. No practice, no games, nothing. If I were the Hornets and Rockets GM's (and this might very well happen) I would quit. Would not be surprised to see more executives quit over this

Splaya 12-09-2011 03:16 PM

Haven't read that yet, but I absolutely love Bill Simmons. Possibly my favorite author/blogger of all time

Emperor Smeat 12-09-2011 03:19 PM

Stern's official response basically confirmed the owners saw Chris Paul more valuable in helping selling the Hornets to a new owner than the deal itself either helping or hurting Lakers/Hornets/Rockets.

The owners felt getting rid of a superstar would have dropped the value too much than what Gasol or Odom could regain due to the NBA being too heavily dependent on a few stars than teams or more players.

MLB had the same mess with the Expos once they ran the team and tried very hard not to over do their influence with the Dodgers.

Hanso Amore 12-09-2011 03:39 PM

Thats true, and somewhat fair. The NBA owns that team. Therefore, the owners have a vested interest in someone buying that team. Nobody is lining up to buy the Hornets with an Old Lamar Odom as the star.

Hanso Amore 12-09-2011 03:42 PM

Still, whole thing is just fucked.

Splaya 12-09-2011 03:50 PM

Problem is...no one is going to buy the Hornets if you think Paul is going to be their star. There is no way in hell he re-signs with them, even if they were to throw 20-25 million a season at him...wanna know why?? Paul wants to do what few players do: Put winning the ring first, money second

Aguakate 12-09-2011 05:53 PM

The NBA has to sell the Hornets.

No matter how you look at it, the NBA nixing a trade so they can "protect" the team it owns is a conflict of interest.

Emperor Smeat 12-09-2011 06:03 PM

Celtics trade Big Baby Glen Davis to the Magic for Brandon Bass in a sign-and-trade deal.

Celtics will agree to a new contract extension for Davis before shipping him off with 4 years added to his current contract and around maybe $24 million extra.

Stats and player-wise, both players are almost the same but the Celtics get a cheaper player.


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