On the upside, it's interesting where we get support from. Here's feminist Christina Sommers:

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Where's your reputation? Please punch holes in the relationship between violent crime and males. Go right ahead. You don't even have to cite sources. Just do it. It's an open goal. Let's have it. FINISH HER. All you have to do is post the explanation. It's right there Kalyx. Come on. You can do it.

Are you referring to the documentary that Davis Aurini needs 15,000 dollars a month to make?
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Yeah they have some interesting guests planned.

She only has a reputation because "gamers" couldn't handle her quite legitimate criticism about games and the way they portray females. In mainstream terms, culturally, she's a nobody precisely because gaming is largely still portrayed as a niche pursuit indulged by teenage nerds and over-grown man-children in their dark bedrooms. Even whether you agree her criticism is legitimate or not, the response to it effectively supports the fact that gaming as an art form or form of media, whichever way you see it, is far too immature to be seen as "mainstream" at this point. There won't be the media crackdown you expect against Anita Sarkeesian because the only people who care about what she says are you and the other overly-sensitive misogynists she antagonises. The response from her detractors will be the same whatever she says and her career as a talking head exists only in opposition to the bone-headed morons who react the most. In fact, throwing this embarrassing behaviour into sharp focus is a good thing. Her remark on males and male culture being mainly responsible for gun violence in the US is not even remotely controversial.

I don't consider myself a "gamer" but someone who has played games my whole life, just as I have watched films and listened to music my whole life. I don't take criticism of games personally, in other words, by someone who takes the time to at least analyse them.

I have ever once seen any GamerGate person satisfactorily explain how a personal hissy fit from a journalist about an independent games developer has really led to a campaign about journalistic ethics. Taking your cue from a total fuckwit like Adam Baldwin isn't a good start.

I still love that these fags think game journalism is...journalism. It's fags reviewing games. It's opinions at its core.

Loser fag video gamers trying to justify their actions and pretend they have anything worth living for.

The fact that this five guys burgers and fries name or topic was ever even involved shows this is just a sophomoric farce. People living in a false world.

This is why I'm having a difficult time seeing the "message" here.

I'm probably in the small minority with this, but the way I view reviews is that they are entirely subjective. A review, be it of a movie, book, album, or game, is by definition subjective. You are giving YOUR OPINION on how good a piece of work is. Sure, you have the context of its contemporaries to compare it to, but really what a review is is one person's voice on why they did or didn't like the game.

The whole argument against the Bayonetta 2 review, for example, is "why are you putting your personal thoughts about sexism into the review?" My counter to that is, why WOULDN'T you? I had this discussion with a friend the other day. I could see the issue if said reviewer was inconsistent in their review process. If, say, someone was very close-to-the-vest with their reviews normally and only commented on objective benchmarks as often as possible, then suddenly went up on their soapbox to decry how the game is sexist and lowered the score because of that, I could see people being annoyed at bad "journalism" (opinion piece, remember) because of the inconsistency in the review process.



Now, I also understand that most people are fucking morons and treat reviews as gospel, and if a site like IGN gives a game a 7/10 as opposed to a 9.5/10 that can have a real, legitimate effect on the number of sales that game makes. That's unavoidable so long as moronic consumers are willing to let someone else tell them what games to play. The problem lies in that people need to take reviews less seriously and focus less on some stupid arbitrary number and read the content of the review to understand why the reviewer came to that conclusion, then decide at that point if they agree and then if they choose to buy the game as a result.


Anyway whatever, tangential post.

My favourite film reviewer, Mark Kermode, always talks about problematic themes in films like misogyny, poor portrayal of females or foreigners or other non-white North American male characters, exploitative use of animals etc. where these are present in films. I appreciate hearing about it, that's why I listen to him. These are also problems in films and TV and it's commonly pointed out by critics. Games should be no different. Flagging up an ogling, over-sexualised view of a female protagonist in a game is no less a valid criticism than talking about the gameplay. This is an example of "gamers" needing to grow up.

Adobe clarified allegations of them supporting Gamergate and stated the removal of their ads from Gawker was because of a different reason instead. Originally they wanted nothing to do with either side but felt being silent was hurting them more in the end.

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http://arstechnica.com/business/2014...ate-statement/

This is sexist.

No it isn't. Sexism is discrimination or prejudice based on gender. What Anita Sarkeesian is doing is using twitter to offer a cultural explanation for why men commit more mass shootings and probably trolling gamer nerds who trip on her every word while she's at it. She may very well be incorrect in that reasoning, but she's not being sexist.

How about Toxic Femininity? Would that be sexist too?

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Hahaha.

Hey, check it out. *drops mic*

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I beg to differ Triple Reap, get your ass back in the ring and explain yourself!! Nobody is going to cut a promo on ECG and easily get away with it. Last week on TPWW I RKO'ed your post to the ground. I deserve a shot at the next KOTF. I'm not going to get upstaged again, no way shitstain.

I am Heisenberg, I am Borderline Jesus

I thought Gamer Gate was more about having game reviews not influenced by outside sources (The publishers, Doritos, Fuck Buddy of the reviewer) and not the whole sexism thing, I thought that was 2 different topics all together.

If instead of saying this:
She said this:
would that not be considered racist?

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.

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It depends on who is doing the talking. At least with Kalyx, I can feel he believes in the former, to an extent. I have gotten the vibe from certain other people, they've posted a bit in this thread, they use the former as a justification to do the latter.

For instance, why are the main people the Gamergaters going after are the developers, and not the journalists?

Who are the 'main people'?

It's been gaming press companies mostly.

Like, what would 'going after' even mean in regard to Quinn, Fish, and Wu? For what? They certainly come up often but what they do isn't important in the bigger scheme of things.

It could be suggested it is because you (not her) used the term "ghetto mentality." Ghetto itself is an antiquated racist term. It was utterly inevitable that you would exchange the original terms for one referring to race to hope to make your point, but you changed the entire emphasis while you were doing it. I'd like to think Anita Sarkeesian would be a bit more nuanced than you when making a statement like that.

Hence why I indicated that that post was only tangentially related (seemed a fitting place to put it)

Always read a study yourself before believing the nice pie charts. That is an interesting finding, but one that offers no general insight into the argument you are trying to make. The authors of the study can outline this themselves:

Apologies for the formatting, I have copied that from the study. It is a common tactic for smarmy internet sites to cherry-pick study findings from academia and employ colourful pie charts to try to make some sort of wider point. When you look at the methods of this study, all of those limitations are obvious, which is why the authors have stated them.

You are wrong ECG, it doesn't matter if ghetto mentality, or thug mentality or whatever was plugged in there.

Saying "It's always *this group of people* that does *this bad thing*" is prejudicial. It doesn't matter what hypothesis she put there afterwards.

Incorrect. Only if it is not "always" men or boys committing these mass shootings would it be prejudicial. I suppose you could quibble the use of "always" if you wanted to be anal in an effort to try to pin the "sexist" label on her, but it is, essentially, males who commit these acts of violence with some rare exceptions. Her point also, is not that males are inherently more violent but that problematic social ideas of masculinity are responsible. She doesn't say "masculine culture" is responsible, which would be the analogous term to using the racial terms you are using, she says "toxic ideas of masculinity" and of "manhood" which is completely different. This should be obvious, but the desperation to pin hypocritic bigotry on a social commentator who is making uncomfortable arguments is always more appealing than actually examining the argument she is making. Even if she was sexist, she would still have a point about mass shootings.

The word "always" makes it sexist though, if she replaced "always" with "emotionally troubled" it would have made it better.

what

Also why is she trying to equate sexism to why shootings occur? Isn't it usually just being bullied or some sort of isolation or mental illness? Seems like she's just grasping at straws because she wants to make some grand point that falls way short.

It's a two-way street for parenting. If parenting has anything to do with it. Trying to blame it all on the men is sexist. Just because males commit the violence doesn't mean sexism has anything to do with it. She's nothing more than another person blaming "rock music" or "rap lyrics." A Full of shit, opportunistic, liar.

she is somebody's daughter and until you've walked a mile in her heels I suggest laying off the threats to her life

This thread is becoming fantastically derailed with all sorts of ridiculousness.

I don't think she is blaming sexism. I think what she is saying is that the men and boys play the video games (or watch the action movies) and want to act it out in real life.

What are you on about?

"Always" only makes it sexist if you're trying to make a boring semantic argument about whether "always" means 100% of the time vs 99% of the time. Either way her argument is true that the vast majority of mass shootings are carried out by males and if you start quibbling it with exceptions, you're only really strengthening her argument by highlighting the massive gender discrepancy.

She didn't say anything about games in those tweets. Where have you got this from? Were there further tweets where she blamed games for mass shootings?

She clearly states she feels sexist ideas are behind it, makes no mention of games, yet you say here she is not blaming sexism and is blaming games.

Kinda like the whole "movement". Honestly feel as if it has become a parody of itself.

What are you even fucking talk about here?

Do you think it is more or less problematic to stigmatise mental health with acts of mass violence than to blame it on sexism? I personally feel that writing off mass shootings as down to spontaneous acts of insanity is much less helpful, stigmatises people with mental health problems and is a complete abdication of social responsibility. Furthermore, acts of violence against others and oneself, even in the context of mental health problems, are strongly socially influenced anyway.

Also, do any of you realise that the only reason anyone even knows Anita Sarkeesian's name is because of the virulent response from gamers to her youtube videos? Why are gamers so insecure?

Many of the things she points out about games are an embarrassment to normal adult males who play games.

I like her videos although I don't agree with everything she says. Wife showed me her before all of this blew up.She talks of this stuff in her videos. Do you watch her videos?

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

How many journalists have been doxed for reasons other than bitching about Gamergate? Show me the big action you guys have planned against Game Informer, the video game review magazine run by a video game store. Discuss a conflict of interest in video game journalism, besides Dorito-Gate, that has really eaten at you.

I have watched some of her videos, but why are you making a link between those and this tweet? She talks about a lot of things in her youtube videos, not just games.

Because ideas of "toxic masculinity" are often portrayed in video games and movies.......

And?

.................and she said "toxic masculinity"........

What is your point?

You seem to be really caught on the semantics of most things in this argument.

Identifying something as "toxicly masculine" != "all masculine behaviour is toxic"

I'm not saying it does, RDD.

ECG answer these things for me
Where do you see ideas of toxic masculinity?
Can you see ideas of toxic masculinity in video games?
Recently has Anitas youtube channel been primarily about video games?

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Just wanted to point out I found this on a google search, and liked it. Similarly, I found the Simpson one on my Tumblr page. I had no hand in creating it. Wish I did though, it's kind of spot on.

"Ideas of toxic masculinity" is not my term, it's Anita Sarkeesian's.

But yes there are plenty of problematic themes regarding gender and masculinity in games, just as there are on TV, in films, in music, in advertising, in fashion, in sport, in factual media.

Sarkeesian's youtube channel has been about these themes in games, as it has been about television, music etc.

Here-in lies the problem: you cannot articulate your own argument yet you expect me to articulate it for you. You said:

Where did you extrapolate this form? She makes NO mention or allusion to games in her tweet regarding mass shootings. She states clearly she believes the roots of violence lie with sexism. What has any of that got to do with your interpretation of what she has said?

Do you understand how logic works? Can you comprehend sentences written in fairly basic English? If you can, you need to explain how you have arrived at the conclusion that Sarkeesian has stated that games cause men to want to act out violence from games in real life.

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LOOUUUUUUD NOISES!

What's your point?

Except where she explicitly does.

If your point is that men are more violent in school shootings and toxic masculinity exists, well, guess what? Since you're a guy yourself, you should just cut off your dick and be a woman so that you won't be included in that demographic then as a toxic masculine guy? Makes sense to you, you fucking idiot?

that makes absolutely no sense.

Basically, if you're born with a penis, you already have an invisible toxic masculinity inside you.. So, yeah, it's like Anita's shaming men for being masculine in their behavior.

The solution then is you just either cut off your dick and change sex or you might as well be born with a vagina insread...

no, i understood what you said. it still makes absolutely no sense.

That's quite a leap in logic there.

OK *drops mic*

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I dunno.

Like the obviously bought and paid for IGN, they're relatively benign compared to the judgmental, inflammatory sites we've focused on. While they're totally under the publisher's heels, I think people rather that than being called 'sexist racist misogynerds' for enjoying Bayonetta.

But if it makes you feel any better, paid for reviews are in fact something GG dudes have touched on, including unearthing letters for Shadows of Morder's publisher asking YouTubers to present their game favorably under bane of DMCAs. These things will be approached, I imagine, but priorities priorities.

Me personally?

- Game journalist don't seem to know what they're talking about anymore. Many previews and reviews use increasingly vague language and simple observations discussing games.
- On top of this, they circumvent their decreasing focus on gameplay by speaking more about shit besides the point of the game. While this isn't a GG thing per se - I find these 'game critics' problematic only because they're slowly replacing actual game inspection.
- These journalists then get access to preview events (E3, TGS, etc) while YouTubers and smaller sites/blogs who know a thing or two wait to break press releases after the fact.
- Deeper into some preview events; publishers treating journalists like kings and leaning their play experience (ref: 'Vertical Slice', I think it's called).
- A cultural gulf between how IGN and Game Informer explores Western games versus Eastern games.
- Flimsy game analysis when playing games that are similar to other competitors. Back in the day an article would be free to mention Rock Band in a Guitar Hero article and vice versa - but that has slowed to a very noticeable point. Why do you think that is?
- Editors placing just any writer on any game like their personal preferences mean dick. Kotaku's Patricia Hernandez covered Advanced Warfare. Comedy of the year.
- Game journalists not educating themselves on how to talk to Japanese developers. Often the culture distinction leads to unintentional laughs, other times it's awkward, and a few times it's borderline rude.
- Turning back to journalists not knowing a damn thing anymore; many preview videos (>>>IGN<<<) seem to go out of their way to get people who just barely care about the game they're covering. IGN's a strange beast here because they do have people who know their shit. IGN has an unusually large fighting game base within their writer's, for instance. I suppose they could vet future writers on game preference to have a varied experience base but I won't hold my breath.
- More but I forget right now.

Now I've heard before this false choice of game sites who shill games versus sites who shill their political agendas, but I believe there's degrees. They can both exist, with happy mediums filling the mainstream void. Lots of sites I never visited before stepped up, but they have some ways to go before they can get the kind of access the chief offenders can get.

I would suggest publishers remove the middle man altogether and provide preview builds and demos to the public each time they do for journalists. This would lessen the public worship of game writers' opinions and build a more informed consumer base all at once. Publishers can also go Nintendo's 'Direct' route, which some companies are already doing. These are basically video power points, but the longer, in-depth nature is far better than 2min CGI trailers.

Anyway yeah, that's my beef with game journalists - if you meant me personally.

Reason why I'm asking is because from what I've seen, going strictly off of what I've seen, most, if not all, of the people getting doxed have been either female developers or critics of GG.



It can go either way on Bayonetta. On one hand, she's a powerful character. On the other, couldn't she be a powerful character with a less revealing outfit? I'm not saying put her in a burqa, but it's kind of ridiculous looking.

If anything, I'd say that's a bigger issue than who is fucking who or who is saying mean things about who. If that's the case, then I'd argue that GG has its priorities fucked up.


Reasonable point. The thing is, that's not a problem plaguing just video game journalists. Journalists in general go with simplified observations and vague language on issues that actually matter.

If anything, I'd say this is a matter of personal preference. It'd hard to do a review of "Let's Be Cops", for instance, without discussing the context of what was going on at the time the movie hit theaters. That's a mileage may vary kind of thing.

Fair points here. I certainly have problems with these items. Angry Joe has also gone on about these issues in the past. The thing is, if this was brought up, instead of some of the stupid shit your cause does in fact go after, they would easily get more people on board with them. And again, these two issues aren't just issues with Video Game Journalists. Look at the White House Correspondence Club Dinner (or whatever the hell it's called) for a similar circle jerk between the media and the people they're supposed to be covering.

Again, I can understand that. That would actually make for an interesting topic of conversation. It's not something I fully understand, but that would be a compelling story. Much more than someone posting concerns about how a cause is going, followed by the cause proving her right less than an hour later.

Maybe that was accident, maybe that's design. Comedy of the Year, however, would have been me trying to review it. It probably would have been along the lines of "See last year's review. Also, the Military should probably go through other means to find new recruits."

This is one that I haven't seen in more mainstream outlets, but I can see that as being an issue. Something else specific that GG could get behind, if it didn't com off as bitching about "SJWs."

And again, that would be a valid complaint. Gamepro wasn't much better back in the day, as far as their writing staffs being heavy into fighting games. At least then there was more mainstream fighting games. (hell, it's likely the same cast of clowns.)

I understand your sentiment, but let's be honest. The point of reviews, be it movie, music, or games, is ultimately to shill the product they are reviewing. Sometimes, the political agendas help shape that shilling.

On one hand, I like the idea. On the other, this could start boxing out smaller developers further as this could very easily become financially unfeasible.

But thank you on answering my questions. At least you are a bit more intellectually honest than many of the folks who attach themselves to your cause.

However, when Ms. Sarkeesan starts throwing out frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit attacking games, then talk to me about how she's Jack Thompson.

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BO-lieve in GamerGate.

Before I go point by point; I wanna clarify that those issues I posted were my personal beef with games journalism, rather than the goals of GamerGate (which was posted on the second page or so). You wrote a few times that where you agreed on a point that GG should turn their attention to it, and I would of course like that. There are places where GG and my own criticisms cross paths, I'll try to note these points. Just wanted to make sure these points were my own issues with the industry over the years.

If that's what you seen I can't fault you for that, nor do I expect you to filter through posts on Twitter or have the insight I had over the months. I can however offer to give you examples of people on the GG side being doxxed and harassed if you want. Early in the thread I was very link happy, but the following pages shows they went largely unnoticed or responded to. From this point on I'll simply offer to provide evidence of certain claims either here or in PMs. I'll need to know people have a genuine interest before I go mining links. Offers on the table. But if you're willing to take my word (for what it's worth to you), yes - people on GG side have been getting the same attacks at the same frequency. It's not what makes it on the headlines and our victims certainly don't get the interviews with MSNBC, but it's happened.

The funny thing about Bayonetta is she's a character who is covered from the neck down 70% of the time. Her visual gimmick with her clothes receding only occurs during the end of combos and her finishing moves against bosses. Even then the camera sways away to her summoned beast tearing apart a boss. Here's the 'revealing outfit' you're talking about, that she's in most of the time. Consider that she's wearing more than Mirror's Edge's Faith.

Now her character and mannerisms are certainly sexual, but in true hack-n-slash fashion it's over the top as to be comical. She 'vogues' ffs. If that's still a point against her we then have to discuss her creator Kamiya, who's an excellent game designer (DMC1, Viewtiful Joe, Wonderful 101, Okami). Perhaps somebody else could have made Bayonetta and have her less hyper sexual, but then we wouldn't have the best hack-n-slash game ever (opinion mine). Or rather, would you want Kamiya to adjust his creative freedom? I'll choose his creative freedom and game design philosophy every time. Package deal, as it is with any entertainment medium.

As I said my own issues don't line up 100% with GG. The group as a whole wants journalistic integrity; and yeah that means writers and subjects fucking will be called out. It's GG's priority as a movement, and I agree.

Sure, but games journalism would naturally concern gamers, no?

I mean, how many other movements could we dismiss because their concerns are particular? "Throat cancer charity? Why not all cancer?" GG's not out to save journalism of every field.

This probably isn't your intention, but having run into this criticism before it's basically 'it's just games'. I mean, I don't get why people are actually making a case that gamers shouldn't care that much about games journalism. Have a go at demanding why sports fans care about sports controversies and politics.

Agreed.

Again, GG's main goals are not specifically my own.

Also again, I don't know where this argument is going. A movement of gamers should cover every field of journalism because 'it's just games'?

But let's have fun with that image; GamerGate working to oust all manner of journalistic fuckery. Would the narrative then be a bunch of basement boys with delusions of grandeur throwing rocks at giants? It's an uphill battle as it is in the public eye getting talked down to by Polygon.

I forgot to reply your post above where you tied GG to doxxing and threatening behavior. GG doesn't condone this and actively vilifies and roots out the third party trolling everyone. We're not 'proving her right'.

Funny thing is, this seems like the first time in a while last years review would not be swappable. I am so down for AW.

I explain in the first few pages about why the SJW/extreme feminist connections to this are important in the grand scheme of things. I can dip deeper into that if you wish. Interesting shit.

I disagree, but non-aggressively. It's cool.

Consider that smaller devs that self publish on the big three consoles are already mandated to provide trial/demos of their games. And historically, smaller teams are much more likely to offer demos and beta runs to their supporters and public game events. This is something I believe they're already primed for.

I dare not argue with this. And I thank you for simply not being Rogerer.

The narrative's the same, she's just smarter about it. She totally Jackie Thompson.

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Bhahahaha. I love Colbert saying Feminazis coming to rip off gamer balls.. Thank you!

Anita wouldn't be the person I'd ask about the journalism/feminist academia angle as she's not a part of DIGRA (though I believe she is with Silver String Media). Though it was interesting that that was the only time she flustered in an otherwise bright eyed interview. This is also the first time any mainstream setting asked about that, so kudos to... Steven Colbert (yet again showing more clout than mainstream news).

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Yes, Anonymous supports Gamers! We're legion. Never forgive. Never forget.

And in this moment you just aligned with a terrorist organization. well done people will be respecting you soon enough.

Corporate shitheads can be a terrorist organization too. Erin Pizzey herself even said feminists movement are also terror groups. Go figure.

LMAO!

Silly kids.

good grief

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In contrast to all the coherent arguments that Kalyx makes (even though I don't agree with a lot of them), Raven Reaper goes and shows why this movement will never be taken seriously.

Neither will the stupid journalists who really love to disenfranchise every game with their shitty ass personal agendas.

I don't see this storyline going anywhere, what are they going to do to counter anything, play more video games?

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I sincerely hope you say that in jest. He made a parody of the entire movement on both sides :|

Then again, after reading your other multiple replies as well as actually believing Anonymous gives two shits, I can tell you are very serious.

I always knew video games and video game reviews were serious business.

Let's not forget the ethics Ruien, don't lose track of the main point!!! :|

True enough, at the end of the day, I'm just a fucking gamer who loves playing games despite the stupid journalism reviews that have the I.Q. logic of McIntosh, Sarkessian, Brianna Wu and the rest of the stupid Anti-GamerGate shitheads.

And even if they wanna wail, whine, moan and complain all they want of how they enjoy games that are considered anti-SJW feminism, sexism or whatever, NOTHING will keep us down..

As Capt. Kirrahe from Mass effect would say, "WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!!"

I can just see how this goes down. Lady A, "If I fuck you you have to write a serious businesses review for me game" and Guy A "Hell ya, a game review for you on my cock is worth it but since this is a game review and it's serious business you need to swallow" and then Lady A "Done deal."

2 months lady Nerd A"What the fuck! This game had a awesome review but it is complete shit!" And Nerd B "I am going to murder you Lady A for using your pussy to get you money!" With Nerd C "Let's not forget about the ethics here."

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who needs game reviews when everything has a beta/alpha/supersmash invite system in place?

We need to think about all the starving people on the streets, come on people

Yes, thank you.. There are bigger issues than just being harrassed online and whatnot. It's not armageddon of the genders.

I enjoy all games as well. Finished my first game at 4 years old (NES - Trojan). Still, the industry has grown to such a level that issues like this DO exist and at some point WILL be addressed.

The real shitter here is the way you and others react make the gaming community look like shitheads. They can all have their opinion, as their issues are actual issues. However, I chose to read the content and move along. People reacting in trollish ways will not get either side anything, nothing at all.

If you truly want to make a difference, as you say you are passionate, stop being such a child about things and actually build a debate/argument to counter the valid points that are being raised. That is what will help gain traction, not "SHUT HER THE FUCK UP WITH DUCT TAPE".

I still kinda just view this whole mess in the same light as the type of people who bitch about Fox News (or CNN, or whatever) being terrible then making no effort to find better alternative news sources to get proper coverage. If Polygon or Kotaku or IGN or whatever are so bad, why continue to patronize their sites and give them hits? Why not find a blogger who is similar-minded to you and read their reviews?

For example, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his rationale but I really enjoy reading Tom Chick's reviews of games. He gets a lot of flak because MetaCritic includes his scores (which are on a subjective 5-star system) into their aggregate, but I find his reviews perfectly lay out his thoughts and feelings on the games. For example, he gave The Last of Us 3 out of 5 stars, citing its awful gameplay but praising the storytelling and character elements of the game. I loved TLoU but totally understand his viewpoint and can respect his opinion. Yet, people see a "60%" score and lose their goddamn minds because NUMBERS!!!!! without reading the review. It's no different from all the stupid fanboys on IGN who go apeshit if the PS3 version of a game gets 8.4 while the 360 version gets an 8.5. At the end of the day it's a goddamn stupid number, when in essence the two reviews are probably almost identical.

This kind of thing happens all the time. I'm guilty of it too kinda. If I'm looking at a list of reviews for a game that is universally getting 8.5/10 or 9/10 ratings and there's an outlier that shows 5/10 or 6/10, obviously you're more drawn to that review. A lot of times it's just crappy clickbait from some hack, but I tend to read those reviews more thoroughly than one that rates a game 9/10 and includes a few bullet points of things they liked about the game when it's clear they only put maybe 8 hours into it.

As per usual I'm going way off on tangents BUTTTTTTT my overall message is it should be on smarter consumers to interpret the information and opinions that are presented to them. I still can't wrap my brain around how someone is so personally slighted or affronted by a game being favorably reviewed unjustly by sites that "they" (the supposed "TRUE GAMERS") obviously hold very little regard for. It's like getting pissed off that a shitty movie won the Best Picture Oscar then making a shitload of tweets stating how much you think the Oscars are bullshit. Why does it bother you so much? Fucking hipsters.

I get the larger implications and slippery slope effect of being apathetic towards the "larger" review sites, but going on some crusade for journalistic integrity seems awfully misguided when the best ammunition these clowns have is harassing those who they don't agree with.

whatever I need another damn coffee

Video game reviews are super serious business. I remember a few years ago when one of those Sonic games got a 5.5/10 by some reviewer. I'm sure it was a female reviewer too. Like she would know anything about video games. Go review kitchen appliances or cleaning products lady. That game was clearly 6.1/10. Silly bitch!

Quite the perfect parallel, really (Re: RDD)

Clearly wasn't a USA#1 Citizen either.

I give this post an 8.4. Now if you were to post this at rajah it would only be an 8.1

Yeah, I think she was from the country called Europe. Whatever she's not USA#1 so who cares.

Ryan Clark gave it an 8.6 you fucking misogynist

this is some of the dumbest shit i ever read

Rajah has no idea that this is serious business!

ECG, I hate that you are in this thread in this forum. Seems so odd. God, I hate it. Have you ever been in the video game forum before? This is so weird. What the fuck. I'm getting the hell out of here.

It's like you just smelled an argument in the air and followed the scent.

I don't really disagree with most of what you are saying. I just hate that you're here. It is throwing off the balance of the forum. Like, it's stressing me out.