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I think WWE should have created 2 WWE Network plans. $9.99 for regular streaming w/o PPVs and $12.99 for PPVs included.
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At some point I'm sure they will raise prices, but I think the business model works better at one price point for the whole thing. |
I think they should have started with multi price points.
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No way should they have multiple price points that regulate how much of the content you can view. Look at Netflix for example. The multiple price points govern how many devices can stream simultaneously and what not; they don't lock out content based on which type of account you have. And considering they are the gold standard of streaming services I'd imagine their approach is probably the one to go with, at least for the time being.
I just don't see that many people being interested in WWE Network without the PPV option. If they added a second tier at 12.99 or whatever it would be that included the PPVs while the standard 9.99 did not.....then I feel you'd lose subscribers and that everyone would feel like it is a scam just to raise rates while giving the appearance of a choice. |
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Third hour this week fell below 3 millions viewers.
Nothing wrong, guys. |
Never good to see a big decline, but I'm sure the fact that it was taped had an impact. I usually dont like reading RAW spoilers when they are overseas, but in this case I was eager to get them because I wanted to see how the tournament was laid out. Of course I'm just one person.
the first hour was higher than last week, and when you take the average its not really a huge decline. And at the end of the day, even the third hour being so low, that hour was still only behind two shows in terms of viewership on Cable on Monday. MNF was down week over week by 1 million viewers. Which means RAW's overall viewership declined by about 2% WoW and MNF viewership was down 8% WoW. Like I said, not great to go down, and maybe 3 million is some kind of panic number, but looks like people were just tuning TV out this week. |
The Monday Night Football numbers were down because the matchup was the drizzling shits...
Raw had the WWE champion for the past 7 months being stripped of the title and the "intrigue" of a tournament for a new champion beginning. But it was just because people decided to not watch TV. Yes. It was TV's fault. Because faith in McMahon. |
For some comparisons, last year's UK Raw show had around a million more people watching for the 3rd hour. Almost a million more also watching for the average viewership.
Drop this week was pretty large even by taped RAW show comparisons. |
Well that's only because of something to do with what the internet fans wanted causing a rating's drop. I'm sure of it.
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As usual you guys can't debate an actual point.
MNF matchup two weeks ago was nothing to write home about. This week was bad as well, and the number dropped more significantly than WWE. We're any of you guys more interested than normal in getting the spoilers? I was. As a result I watched less of the show because I knew the outcome. Rather than saying whether or not you were more or less interested in spoilers than a run of the mill UK show, you ignore the point. Cool way to debate. And even if you don't agree with any of that, the number was only down a couple percent week over week. |
<font color=goldenrod>Guys, stop acting like The CyNick is a real person.</font>
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It's quite obvious that peoples attention spans can't be kept glued to one tv channel for 190 minutes straight anymore unless it's football.
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I'm just tired of the NFL and WWE going PG/PC, that's why I don't consume every second of their events. There are other modes of entertainment that don't have a restrain and people are figuring it out.
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Porn?
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That and the whole layout to a Monday night. Survivor Series being dedicated to Undertaker is pretty choice though
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Mods, please change thread title to Smackdown ratings highest in 3 months. Crisis is over. The product is great again. Neilsen justified that belief.
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Raw dropped under 3 million viewers last night.
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Probably had something to do with DirecTV DVRs not recording Raw, didn't notice it wasn't recording til 9:30
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I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you that Sheamus/Roman Reigns are not ratings super magnets
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They don't want to give Ambrose the ball and not being able to elevate newer stars is going to cause ratings to keep falling until Royal Rumble when they typicality rebound. The question is how much lower can they go before Vince thinks about trying something different than what he's been doing in not elevating certain talent. Ambrose may not be able to draw at first, but he's not been given the proper time to be a household name.
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When quarterly or segment breakdowns used to be revealed, him and Orton were almost always the big droppers in terms of stars. Think Sheamus still owns the record for worst segment drop at almost a million a few years ago. |
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You guys are a bunch of Nielsonphobes
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You guys just don't understand the business
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Yeah, but what successful wrestling territory has CBS Sports ever booked? Or Mick Foley? Or that 10% drop? This is the most successful revenue year in the WWE's history, and we all know the WWE Network will definitely be en vogue for years to come.
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This is somehow Cesaro's fault for being boring.
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network subs aren't really a great indicator of why people are signing up. is it for new content or the old content? to use that as an indicator of anything other than revenue, we'd need the number of views on the videos available.
yes, having a successful network is great for business, but how much is based on nostalgia and how much on the current product? i'd be more interested in knowing that. |
You know if WWE wanted to make more money off the network they should sell timeslots to promotions they good with. Promotions like Reality of Wrestling and Evolve would be great in the network. Probably won't but its just a thought I had.
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For some comparisons, this was last year's viewership for the same week:
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I hope they keep dropping. |
network subscriptions though guys. It makes up for all of it. ALLLLLL OF IT
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I watch NXT on TV over here. If they dropped it, I'd probably just stop watching. Sincerely can't stand WWE's main product more than I love NXT. Vince and Kevin Dunn pretty much plucked all the talent I was really invested in from NXT anyway.
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I couldn't even bring myself to watch Survivor Series for free on Sunday.
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Calling Becky up to the main roster has been bittersweet. Sure, it's great to see her making money on the big stage; but it felt like she had so much left to achieve in her program with Sasha Banks. I would have loved to have seen them get to compete in the first-ever women's Ladder Match officially sanctioned by the WWE, or in the Iron Man Match. But anyway, what does Mick Foley know about wrestling, right? |
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Wrestling has become the most predictable thing ever. Even the most diehard fans of "technical wrestling" can't only watch for well executed hammerlocks? Actual storytelling is still needed and there doesn't seem to be any anymore. So it's no surprise their ratings are dropping.
I've not watched an episode of Raw in years, and I've seen only 2-3 Ppv matches in about 3 or 4 years. Yet I watched Survivor Series after hearing there'd be a tournament plus a Taker "anniversary match" and I knew who was going to win every match. There's nothing of interest happening. |
Guys Vince expected this, of course it was going to drop below the 3 million mark. There is a lot of ways to consume media these days through streaming sites for example. This is good news for WWE, 2 million is bigger than 1 million right? No other wrestling company is even at the 1 million mark. [/CyNick]
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well his wife is a gorgeous model lol
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For some perspective:
MNF featured the undefeated New England Patriots, one of the biggest draws in the sport. As a result MNF had more than 2 million viewers WoW or a 17% gain. RAW lost 300K viewers WoW or a 10% decline in viewership. Keep in mind, this is before any DVR numbers are calculated. Another show I track on Monday's is this Love and Hip Hop show on VH1 which does well on Mondays. It was down 13% in viewership. I tried to see if there was panick on the L&HH message board, but couldn't find the thread on ratings. Its a good indication that RAW wasn't so much bad, as MNF just had the game that casual fans felt was can't miss. RAW was as usual one of the top 3 most watched things on cable on Monday night. It usually hovers between #2 and #3, depending on how well Sportscenter does (up 9% this week). Clearly football was devastating to RAW this week, but it'll be intetesting to see if the DVR numbers make up some of the decline WoW. That said, declines are never a good thing, but context is important. |
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He doesn't understand the conplexities of booking, just wants the 2 or 3 people he likes to be pushed to the moon. It's funny, he complains about Cesaro, it looked to me like Cesaro was about to get pushed, and he gets injured. How is that WWEs fault? As for the girls, hey I look at the positive, they got two segments on the show. The focus is on the title. The Paige-Charlotte match was good, and set up a future match. The other girls will get their time to shine eventually. |
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It's sad that Cynicks arguments are inevitably the ones that are being made at the top of WWE too. Just churn out the next batch of samsie TV, nothing exciting, keep the motor running...Cena will be back soon and we can rely on him again. It's sad.
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Network subscriptions going up could have very little to do with the actual product. Same with advertisers. IN FACT advertisers being interested in television series can have a lot to do with an actual decline in the integrity of a product depending on how you look at it. #fatherknowsbest |
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Well the stance is this. We are looking at it from an art stand point, CyNick is looking at it from a business standpoint.
Now I know he'll tell you a bunch of horseshit about how he enjoys the product, but that is clearly because he is a troglodyte. |
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In recent years WWE has made an effort to make the product more appealing to advertisers. Possibly at the expense of some viewers. But the net effect has been higher TV rights fees. As long as those are going in the right direction, WWE is happy. Again, and this point will be glossed over or ignored in your response, that isn't to say a 10% WoW decline is positive, you just have to understand the bigger picture. |
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Revenues continue to grow, so overall, things are positive. Maybe the ratings are an indication of future revenue decline, but it could also be an indication of a bunch of other factors as well (ie overall decline in TV viewership). |
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lol oh jeez
You realize we all know this right? You aren't exactly reinventing our knowledge wheel. We understand many of the decisions made and why the production is the way it is. That doesn't mean we need to appreciate steaming piles of crap heaped in front of us. For instance, we understand why the commentators no longer really story tell or commentate matches. They need to SHILL SHILL SHILL because of the advertising and the pace they have to move at. We get it. It's a tough fucking job with the expectations placed in front of them. It doesn't make it any less soul less. WWE is a money making machine, it's not wrestling. Many of us like wrestling. We also like Sports Entertainment, and stories which we can really take a bite out of. But that means the stories being told have to speak to us. Which they don't. Because the product isn't very good, because it doesn't have to be. Because they won years and years and years ago. So instead of appealing to people with half a brain and making a decent cohesive product, they appeal to advertisers for higher tv fees. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the product is good. Which you love to argue. Mind you, if you enjoy it that's your deal. Fine. Cool. Amazing. It's great that you have no taste. |
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Sorry before you try "strengthen" your argument. We keep up but we don't watch. Because we love wrestling. But we don't sit around watching RAW knowing we hate it. We love wrestling and WWE is all there really is in the main stream. So we gripe about it because we're passionate on something we always loved growing up.
Okay now tell me how I don't understand and am a lesser being than you. |
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WWE has also had a ton of bad luck recently, which spoiled some short term plans. |
Roman does fail every time he picks up a mic. Vince is dead set on pushing the guy that doesn't deserve the push he's getting.
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WWE to be successful needs to appeal to a wide base. What's intetesting is people like you think your opinion on the current state of the product is the right one. When someone like me comes along and says I actually like the show, I am the villain. I've never once told anyone they are WRONG for disliking the product. Yet, you claim I have no taste. It's funny to me that you guys get worked up that a weekly viewer of RAW actually enjoys RAW. |
Wow you're casting a lot of emotions on me big guy.
You're allowed to enjoy the product, we're allowed to bring up reasons we think you're wrong. :) And I don't think it's the end of the world. I just think it's indicative of the fact that they aren't producing quality. They're the only game in town so the ratings will be back. But once again #fatherknowsbest |
Really hate how Reigns was champion for 5 minutes and has never held another singles title and has an automatic rematch already. What has Roman done to deserve a rematch? It just lazy booking and storytelling.
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if you actually don't watch, then you should have no opinion on the product. I dont go on a Bachelor message board and say the show currently sucks because I watched it 7 years ago. It would be ignorant. |
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His look. That has always been his thing. |
He does sell a lot of merch, which ultimately is what matters anyway - the almighty $$$.
Doesn't take away from the fact that he still seems quite bland to most people over the age of 10. |
I do think it's really funny that CyNick has such a hard time admitting that a guy in his 70s has been out of touch for a long time.
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lol it doesn't take much more than reading the results and watching some clips to realize how fucking horrendous it is.
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I think it also says a lot when they have to "edit" crowd reactions (on replays of Raw and especially Smackdown!) to make "their guy" seem "good".
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I might be wrong on this given I live in a different country, but I'm fairly certain this National Football League we're hearing about is more than a couple of years old, and may in fact have been playing every year at this time for every one of the last 18 years. If they did better ratings that entire time, I'm wondering if the football defense may have a hole or two in there.
Im not denying that competition isn't an issue, but its time to look in the mirror. |
FUN FACT: TNA on a Monday night drew 2.2 million viewers.
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Can we start saying lolwwe now? :D
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Might have been the Observer or F4W that had an article about historical breakdowns and while football has taken a bit of a bigger chunk this year away, majority of the decline is still on the WWE's end.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUm8G5LWUAEaDMb.png Even by Road to Mania standards, the audience and ratings have been dropping the past few years. http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/wp-...3/avgbuild.png |
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This goes back to this thing where people are expecting WWE to cater to everyone individually. |
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Cesaro is limited in terms is storylines because he's not a good promo guy. He needs to get over by doing cool things in the ring. WWE started to showcase him more, but he blew out his shoulder. Miserable timing. |
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Maybe that's how a bunch of people consume RAW, where even a year ago it wasn't as readily available. Could explain some of those changes in viewing patterns I talk about. |
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NFL isn't catching now WWE RAW ppl this time, they are just as guilty of not wanting to offend anyone as much as WWE.
There are other avenues in which a man or woman can get their entertainment on, like Netflix and Chill, Amazon Instant and Piss, getting lost in YouTube and PornHub |
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If you talk to people in the TV business, you hear about DVR proof programs and their value. Sports leagues are one of the few remaining providers of such programming. A lot of sports execs have lined their pockets because rights fees have went through the roof due to this changing landscape. Unfortunately WWE isn't sports, so they don't have the same luxury. On top of that you have an increase in usage of things like You Tube, Hulu, etc for consuming entertainment. It all cuts into the overall audience on traditional TV. If you read articles from Variety, they talk about declining ratings across the board. If for example USA's overall numbers were say up 5% YoY and WWE was down 10% YoY, then I would say WWE should be somewhat concerned. But everything I've read, the opposite is true. And the lesson from the Attitude Era was that you can draw 6-7 million viewers per week, but if advertisers are not willing to support your product, you won't see the benefits. So even if WWE dropped to 2 million viewers per week, if advertisers see them as more premium, WWE will net or ahead. |
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