Also that newest poster is carrying some *heavy* Alex Ross vibes. Nice.

Dug the new trailer. Lot to like there. I am also cautiously optimistic about it. Presuming teaser at the end is Supes, but I've seen people positing that it's possibly a GL (I liked Steppenwolf's line about there being "no Lanterns" on Earth - lol our planet alone has like three times more Lanterns than any other sector of the universe) or even Martian Manhunter.

Nah, it's totally Superman.

Alfred doesn't know Green Lantern and he seemed to know the "guest".

I'm telling you, it was the T-Rex.

I want lock jaw to be right more than i can express

Hope the tease in Greenie.

Good trailer. I never thought I would say this but I will miss Ol' Ben as Batman.

If you look closely you can see red in the corner of the shot. Deff Superman.

According to a report from Varety, Warner Bros has spent around $25 million so far on reshoots for the film. Also currently causing problems for some of the cast in terms of their own filming schedules since its been going on for the past 2 months.

One big reason is due to the new director wanting to flesh out more of the stuff Synder filmed so the scenes link or fit better together.

In terms of comparisons, a normal reshoot process is usually just 1-2 weeks and between $6-$10 million at most.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ju...ts-1202502433/

Also, apparently in the reshoots, Henry Cavill has a mustache which they will need to digitally remove for each shot........

Why the fuck

Just ask the mother fucker to shave ffs

Apparently he is already working on another movie, where he has a mustache, and is contractually obligated not to shave. So he is splitting his time between his new movie, and re-shoots on Justice League.

Contractual mustaches now

What a bunch of fags

Otherwise the other movie would have to digitally ADD a mustache

Or just have no mustache at all, which of course would just be absurd.

Well maybe he is giving mustache rides the whole movie and without it the character would look absurd.

Very sloppy, but Joss knows what he's doing.

Also you wouldn't have digitally add a mustache. Press ons are tried and true to this day.

Let's be honest, if anyone can save this it's Joss. I honestly can't think of anyone I'd want more to try to fix it.

One of the actors of the film gave a reason for why extensive reshoots are being done.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ju.../1100-6452473/

Isn't that what's been said about every DCEU movie?

Just Suicide Squad.

I liked that DC went for a darker, grittier style. It differentiated them from marvels movies.

They misunderstood the issue people had with the tone. It wasn't that it was dark. Imo it just ran astray of what makes heroes work. If you over-deconstruct it gets kinda hard to root for them.

The original ending planned is rumored to have been changed for something more lighter in tone and scope.

Rumored to now make it more of a stand-alone film than what Marvel has been doing with the Avengers and Civil War films. Would give the next film's director more options for expanding on this film's story or going in a new direction instead.

https://moviepilot.com/p/justice-lea...-rumor/4347289

Superman with a mustache would be amazing.

Also, I totally want a mullet Superman at some point.

Studio head shortens run time to 119min

Critic embargolikely not lifted until next Wednesday. Not a good sign.

usually isnt...

I heard one review already though..... I think..... remember reading somewhere that someone or multiple people said it was closer to Wonder Woman in quality than BvS..........

Im hope so! Wondy was GREAT

It can't be any worse than Suicide Squad....

The close to wonder woman rating was for a fan screening. Which means jack shit. Bvs and suicide squad received positive reception after fan screenings. Fucking bvs was said to be better than the dark knight.

I'll wait for the critical response, but I doubt it's better than Man of Steel.

The soundtrack leaked on YouTube. Elfman was lazy and brought back both the original John Williams Superman theme and his Batman theme, both of which I question in terms of how they fit completely different interpretations of each character. We'll see, but I rather like the Zimmer Superman stuff and the recent Batman music from bvs was interesting.

Just as I say this, Warner Bros issues a statement that social media embargo lifts tomorrow at 9am PST. No reviews allowed but general reactions are. That's maybe a good sign that Whedon salvaged whatever garbage Snyder had worked up.

The music is awesome. Do not care that he redid old themes. Lazy is what Zimmer of all people did on BvS. Batman theme was shit, when in doubt use Superman's piano theme, and Wonder Woman's theme was all Junkie XL.

Wonder Woman theme was all Zimmer. The Batman theme is from Junkie XL. Zimmer brought in XL specifically to do Batman because he didn't wanna touch it.

The original themes are great, but I don't feel they fit with the new incarnations. I feel like each version should have their own theme. Like, the Elfman theme in no way fits the Nolan Batman, nor would it have for the Schumacher Batman.

I really enjoyed Zimmer's Superman stuff. "Flight" and "What are you gonna do..."are, imo, heroic Superman tracks that I wish we were getting back.

Allegedly the Zimmer cues are in the film but the OST being released next week.

Honeslty the old themes are the only ones I want to hear when I see the characters

To each their own. I can appreciate each take ad unique to its version of the character.

Kinda like TAS Batman. Definitely cues from the Elfman stuff but Shirley Walker did her own thing with it.

I'm gonna have to dispute the Junkie XL thing, he very clearly talks about working on WW's theme.

Pretty sure it was Zimmer but I'll look into it

https://youtu.be/oJ1NCbeSH6E

Skip to about the 8:30 mark. Zimmer tells the story of how he came up with the Wonder Woman theme

The track is credited to both of them.

So I'm thinking either Hanz filled the track with a sound that echoes Fury Road's score more than his own sound, or it's an honorary credit.

The whole soundtrack is credited to them. XL came up with the Batman theme, Zimmer with wonder woman. He says it right there

Reading social media reports that people are calling it a fun movie, and praising the interaction of the cast..... but that at the same time that the actual plot and villain are really thin......

As long as it isnt cringy that will be a win...

I'm wondering if that reworked Superman theme that was in 2nd justice league trailer is on the soundtrack,that couldve been the league's theme.

Ive been let down before by MoS soundtrack Zimmer somehow didnt put that bit of music that plays when Superman chases the escape pod.

I'd be totally fine if this was Batmans theme

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Nothing from mos is on the soundtrack release. Not sure if it's in the actual film.

Sooo much better
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Yeah that's what I was looking for. It's quite obviously the Zimmer Superman song but with Elfman putting it together.

Elfman does the wonder woman theme and it sounds just fine. That's what I was hoping for here for Supes but it may not happen.

Oh well. The mixed but mostly positive reaction is a good sign.

https://youtu.be/fLNV2MgNDBw

Skip to the 1:13 mark. Not sure how it'll fit but I can't help but geek out a bit.

I was only 6 the last time I heard that song in a theater.

The child in me is happy but Elfman seems like he kinda phoned this soundtrack in
Anti Hero is awesome though

As for the MoS thing this track was in the movie but not on the OS or the bonus

It drove me nuts (this is fan created btw)

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I think that shouldve been his theme (or Flight) because I kinda hate the one he has its not Superman enough.

Yeah flight is a great track. Agreed on that track above not being officially released. And agree on Elfman being lazy with some of the themes

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I loved this theme for Superman and I was pissed that they didn't use it in BvS, they just hint at it... and it looks like its gone now based on the new soundtrack???

Not in the soundtrack at all. Not sure if it's in the film. We'll have to see. It'll suck if it isn't. But I'm doubting it.

Not listening to anything from the Justice League soundtrack because I like to experience it with the movie first.......

Since this comes out next week I just forced myself to rewatch Batman v Superman...... I forgot how much of a mess that movie was......

It's a heaping turd

I will say this the extended cut goes by a lot faster than theatrical release and feels like a story

But yea it was a mess of a film all that to play catch up when they wouldve done better to go slow and not have 9 plots in one film

I did watch the extended cut...... I don't really remember enough to tell what was different.... I think the part in the beginning in Africa made slightly more sense, but on the whole the entire plot/Luthor's plan still was a mess.

RIP Jimmy Olsen...... I hope that they reveal that that CIA operative was just using Jimmy Olsen's identity as a photographer for cover, and the real Jimmy Olsen is still out there.

Really hope that Superman comes back to life as a much less "dour" individual

Early reactions are Cavill finally gets to play a more standard edition of Supes. Looking forward to it hearing that the team plays well together

Watching BvS now on HBO and lol. Superman is such a jackass.

Remember the vocal minority who swore it was good and it was only people being "racist" toward DC that said it sucked?

I remembered it as being decent. But naw.

That was after reading all the terrible reviews and I went in with the lowest expectations possible.

I remember going in with very low expectations, and then it not even living up to those.

Batman V Superman shouldve just copy /pasted Worlds Finest movie but they probably wouldve fucked that up too.

The moral of the story is Zach Snyder sucks and should be kept away from making your favorite hero

Have a feeling I won't like this movie. Liked all the DC movies so far but I feel like the changes they are making wont fit me. Hope I do but not feeling like it so far.

If they learned anything from Wonder Woman they have a happy medium '

Its not overly goofy and good natured like Marvel but its also not mired in dark navel gazing and symbolism like Zach's attempts to pull off Chris Nolan.

My only fear with JL is my general fear with the DCEU as a cinematic universe and what makes their characters distinct from Marvel. Marvel superheroes are depicted as 'people', who are seen as people doing a job for better or worst. Their drama is more soap operatic as they interact with each other and the world they live in. DC superheroes are 'symbols', representing entire facets of their universe. This is why the Justice League are so often regarded as modern gods or monuments. Their symbols transcend who they actually are which is why their monikers can be retired and graduated toward, hence the generational aspect of their hero structure: teens, young adults, and adults. It is expected, for instance, that Damien will be Batman. Or Donna Troy will be the Wonder Woman. Or Jon Kent will be Superman.

Obviously mantle passing occurs in Marvel, but there's a reason it rarely feels as organic and natural as DC. X23 didn't need to 'graduate' into Wolverine, Logan is Wolverine, she's X23. You already know how I feel with FemThor. However, fill-ins are a more natural occurrence with Marvel. Because again, these are people doing 'jobs'. Bucky can fill in as Cap, but it's not this generational thing where 'one day he will be Cap' like 'one day Dick will be Batman' (and he did before New52 pissed on everything).

So back to DCEU; the modern myth, symbolic nature of these heroes are the best way to depict them with making a Marvel movie with different heroes. The Nolan trilogy is actually predicated on the weight of a symbol on one man. Wonder Woman very deliberately presented her as larger than life and symbolic. DCEU needs to be that, all the time.

If the Suicide Squad 2 plot rumor is true perhaps they will.

What is the Suicide Squad 2 plot rumour?

If true, don't know if it's a cold open, main plot, or post credit thing. But it's being spoken as a plot rumor.

I just don't want them to over do the comedy to the point it feels cheeky like a Marvel movie. I think the DC movies have been good because they are different than Marvel and seem to be set in a more realistic modern world. I knew once Flash and Cyborg came in that their youthfulness would lighten up the mood as it naturally should although I hate Cyborg and he looks awful.

Yeah, to me, cyborg is the Falcon of DC Comics. Just a very boring character with nothing to really grab me or make me care about him as a reader.

Cringed at their attempt to get Falcon over in Secret Empire.

Falcon is probably a good comparison, haven't ever read a Marvel comic so I can't say anything on that front but the character in the movies is kind of meaningless.

I actually like Falcon in the movies. He has more personality, and his abilities are more impressive to watch on screen then to look at them on the page.

I used to like Cyborg when he had the "generational" aspect about him. Starting off a Teen Titan and then right before the New 52 he was just beginning to become a bigger deal, joining the Justice League and all.

I hate that they got rid of that with the New 52 and made him a founding member of the Justice League, with no Martian Manhunter in sight. Actually reading it, I get why they did it. Rather than have another character with Superman-like powers, they replaced him with a dude all about technology for today's technology driven world. Also he pretty much serves as their mode of transportation with being able to produce boom tubes now.

I don't mind the role he plays in the Justice League, but part of me still feels like he doesn't fit in because he doesn't have that generational aspect anymore. You have all these iconic symbols and figures...... and Cyborg.

Also, there have been a few solo Cyborg series the past few years..... haven't read any of them, but I just can't imagine them being any good. This version of Cyborg seems alright if he is just in the background mostly being "tech guy" and "living mode of transportation", but I can't imagine him carrying his own series/movie.

Movie Falcon is more interesting than Comic Book Falcon...hopefully movie Cyborg will be more interesting than his comic counterpart.

Really liked the pre-New 52 Justice League, actually..... was pretty much the "epitome" of the generational aspect DC used to do so well....

Batman (Dick Grayson)
Donna Troy
Supergirl
Jesse Quick
Jade
Starman (Mikaal Tomas)
Congorilla

Except the DC movies haven't been good, and outside of Wonder Woman, were critically panned and performed under what they were expecting. They made tons of money, yes. But both BVS and SS saw record drops in their second week. DC would have been done to double down, again, on what's clearly not working.

JL is said to be very much still be a Snyder film. But with Whedon sharpening up the chemistry and character building for the team. Something Snyder is awful at.

The only thing that matters is its good, and that the heroes are done well and the general audience embraces it. Wonder Woman did that. JL sounds like, while not as good, is heading in that direction. Which is good because it lends itself to success and further stories for these characters.

I know critically these movies have been negative but they fit what I've been looking for. I'm never one to read critics anyway. I think they've represented the characters well in a modern reality while also having that comic book feel. I understand the tone argument but I also feel like the characters have dictated the tone of the movies and always believed that introducing characters later on like Flash and Cyborg would naturally lighten up the tone.

I don't get all the love for Wonder Woman though. I liked it and thought it was good as well but I thought it was pretty much Man of Steel only with Wonder Woman. They told extremely similar stories with the only difference being how the title character chooses to be a hero.

Now I'll admit I only own DC comics and probably am a bit bias towards the movies. I enjoy the Marvel movies but probably don't get all the references to the source material as much as I do the DC films. I also feel like the Marvel movies have set the mold for a comic book movie and enjoyed the alternative that DC movies presented and just hope they don't push to far into that mold.

You think Superman saying there's no hope in this world, and his dad suggesting to him as a kid that maybe he should've left a bus full of children to die, is representing Superman as a character well?

If you read DC comics please point out a Superman take that has him saying someone has to die and there's no hope in this world. That's not a Superman line. And I'm not even much of a fan of the character.

If you can't watch Man of Steel and Wonder Woman and objectively see the differences in both their respective narratives and their development of their title characters, maybe you should read more critical articles, because they'll point you in the right direction.

It doesn't mean you can't like the films, but at least have an understanding of why one worked incredibly well and why the other is so divisive.

I thinks its a good representation of Superman in a modern skeptical society which DC has created. I understand his father not wanting his powers to get out. He wasn't Superman at that point and became Superman as the movie progressed.

Not the biggest Superman fan either and don't have any Superman comics. Mostly Batman, JLA, and Booster Gold.

I understand the difference in the character development between Man of Steel and Wonder Woman but I still feel they told similar stories. Both starting as a kid with parents trying to hide who they truely are and then becoming a hero by defeating an enemy from their orgin. Yeah Wonder Woman took more initiative when becoming the hero but Superman had alot more at risk and was more conflicted by the world around him.

I am a huge Superman fan and can say that he was not represented good at all. Even in a "modern skeptical society".

My brother is fucking Superman fan boy and loves it. Is it a good representation of Superman, maybe not but I felt it was realistic one. Most the movie was him figuring out who he was and what his purpose was but in a conservative way which his parents were mostly responsible for. Yeah I thought it was strange for his Dad to not want him to save people but at the same time it makes sense.

Tell your brother I will fight him

The general idea of the story they told is similar. The quality in which they told it, both in execution, character development, and overall structure, is why Wonder Woman was praised while Mos was crapped on.

You one WW's motives from the start, you saw her grow as the movie progressed, and there's a character arc for her. Supes just meanders into the costume, you're never quite sure why he's doing it, other than feeling obligated, and his support group outside of his biological dad contradict themselves. Pa Kent says he'll be great some day but then tells him to hide his greatness. It's dumb.

And there's nothing modern about Superman saying there's no hope. That's a gross misunderstanding on his character, as a man in his world. He's the exact opposite.

I mean I get what Snyder was trying to do with Superman (I think)
The general complaint is that his a happy go lucky boyscout who is ridiclously op

We are watching him turn into that boyscout movie by movie his uncertainty about what he is supposed to do with his powers I except that I get that they tried to show that for all his power he is very human and thinks of himself as such

These movies are supposed to be his journey to that shining, annoying beacon of "hope"

But Snyder and that other guy are just so bad at it we didnt really need 3 movies to show that Wonder Woman did it in one.

Honestly, Captain America's character arc from the first film thru Civil War would have been perfect for Supes. He was bright eyed and idealistic about what he was doing to start, only to further plug himself into morally compromising positions where he realised things aren't so black and white.

If they'd have tried that with Supes it would've worked. It sounds like JL is a damage control and course correction film, which is all for the better. I want thesecharacters to continue to get chances on the big screen. What Warner and DC were doing wasn't working. WW started a turn around. Hopefully JL will at least hold the fort down going into 2019's Aquaman and development of the Matt Reeves Batman, as well as the Flash movie

I mean, kinda? He hasn't really grown into anything. He was pretty hopeless going into his fight with Batman. He went the wrong direction from mos. I too get what the idea was, it was just poorly executed. They've still presented no reason as to why he WANTS to be Superman. I'm contrast, Diana states very early on in the film why she WANTS to help people. It's a clear desire for her. Not so much for Clark.

I'm hoping they change that and steer his character into the right direction. We deserve new, good Superman movies.

Didnt mean to post that I was not done

It is going to be very hard for them to get Superman back on track when their Clark Kent is so broken/non-existant. I think they almost need to do a soft reboot of Superman. I mean, they probably can't fit that into Justice League, but definitely the next Superman movie.

Also the inspiring part of Superman much like Wonder Woman s that he knows humans are bastards but he chooses to do what he does anyway because he does think people CAN be better

Can't they? I mean he's dead/in a coma He could come back with a more positive outlook he got Batman to stop murdering people(I'm sorry I mean " causing people to die by proxy") so he sees the effect he has on people even Batman who probably thought himself to be too far gone
It doesn't have to be a 180 into a super upbeat guy just y'know more of an optimist.

Lol if by proxy means shooting at people with machine guns, then sure lol.

I've read the JL version is very much a different, more standard version of the character. Hopefully it's true.

And I agree. Supes is undeterred in his belief in the good in people. That's his contrast to Batman. They haven't presented that yet. Certainly not in the last one where's openly saying he's going to kill Batman if needed.

I hope they turn him around tho. Having him die and come back as a more familiar take could end up being a good thing.

I said by proxy because thats how Snyder described Batman straight up killing motherfuckers

Lmao fucking Snyder

The 'impossibly honorable' character archetype works because of its contrast to the modern world. It worked for Cap in the movies, it kinda works for Funimation's Goku, it's so descriptive of Optimus Prime fans revolted at certain lines he said in the 4th movie. You don't 'update' these kinds of characters, no matter how cheesy you think they are.

Updating them makes them different characters in a familiar costume

There was a panel in New52's first JL arc where Superman wacks a parademon with a trailer or something and he's like, "Smile for me," or some one liner like that and I lost it. I was done with New52 right there. And any time I looked back it was more silliness; Diana's a bimbo who needs a man suddenly, Cyborg just waltz into the JL like bitch Mr Miracle can give you a Boom Tube, and they had this really weird thing with Superman's costumed adventures concurrent with some ongoing year 1 type deal with him in jeans being a jerk to people. Supergirl is shit, Superboy was rendered unsalvageable, etc.

Thank GOD for Rebirth.