The cruiserweight division might not even last long enough for guys like Jack Gallagher, Akira Tozawa, Johnny Gargano, and Tommaso Ciampa to make their main roster debuts.

I wouldve flipped out if she came out in a mini ring

Charlotte getting zero reaction. But they made history!

Toned it down way too much even if one of the reasons was for health issues.

Here we go strap in

No, it's not toning them down. It's the lack of any meaning behind anything they do. None of it matters. They even mentioned on commentary "a lot of these guys were in a similar match last night." If the casual fan cares enough to tell them apart, they have not been given enough to invest in.

I'll give you that them having the same fucking matches as everybody else is a problem, but everybody has the same fucking match, so it doesn't fucking matter to anyone's specific detriment -- they all lose. The CWC had drama, stories, wins and losses mattered (if you lost you went home), and it took time to explain who each participant was and why they were there. The matches were important, given that it is the method stories are told inw wrestling, but they are secondary to the idea that there is a story they were telling.

SHE IS TURNING INTO HHH before our fucking eyes!

Wouldn't be surprised if the ending to the Women's Survivor Series match is just the rest of Team RAW walking out on Charlotte so she gets a humiliating defeat. Charlotte is pretty much setting that to happen with her promo to start this.

boooo no tube men! that Sweet-faced harlot!

Thus far, the only stories that have happened in the cruiserweight division are the Perkins/Kendrick feud, and Rich Swann's upset win. Everything else - literally everything else - has just been random matches.

This whole segment should've been a career retrospective and 10-bell salute for Sasha Banks

Which means WWE will actually book Charlotte to go over all of Team SmackDown clean and Team Raw will parade her around on their shoulders to make sure everybody remembers that she is the most important.

I turned on and saw two women trying to remember lines really poorly written for them, and then immediately changed the channel.

That's exactly it. :y:

Noa Jax is not like most survivor series teammates

Asuka shows up and kills Nia Jax....please?

Charlotte is TOP NOTCH on the mic IMO

Charlotte is good not amazing

Conversely, I perked up and started paying attention to the TV, which I have been ignoring for awhile.

Holy shit, right?!? That segment was so fucking abysmal.

I didn't hear what Charlotte said first, but then Bayley came out. To her credit, she got a "Bayley" chant and played off it well. But then shit went to hell real fast.

"I love you, I respect you. Remember that brutal Hell in a Cell you just had last night? Let's forget that it is a grudge match for a second, I really respect what you girls achieved in that dead gimmick."
*Charlotte smiles and tries to hold back tears and then try to act like a bitch*
"Charlotte...you're a JERK!"

Charlotte used to be so good at projecting a real bad-ass vibe about herself. It came through when she said "You'll never be me," but given that she was fighting back tears it gets diluted a lot.

Nia Jax's eye thing is really fucking stupid. And it made Bayley look stupid. And she can't act either.

She was fighting back tears delivering her promo...

I just wish any time the wrestlers other than a select few speak, it could sound like real people talking. But like real people who are charismatic and entertaining.

ANIAlate

I saw 10 seconds of the promo, why was she fighting back tears?

Noid can't tell when someone is working

You should not be doing a head bang turnbuckle move nia Jax

Bayley said congrats on achieving dream?

Rule #1 of wrasslin Samoans!

Well whaddya we have over here..... a cuppa haters..... a cuppa li'l haters...... filling this thread with their negative energies

I'm legit going to laugh out loud if she pins Nia Jax with a Bayley to Belly suplex, it's such a ridiculous move.

Nia Jax is gonna use her new finisher where she opens her mouth like a Baskin Shark and eats her opponent

:lol: Nia forgot which side was the cam side for the finish.

Not sure what's worse, WWE's mishandling of the Cruiser division or Bayley since her call up.

Speaking of haters..... hate when rasslers awkwardly get into camera position for the pin. Just let them pin however is most natural.

ugh floman drains segment

Well Bayley should lose and have to overcome a lot, it's just a matter of if they stick with it or forget about her.

Bayley said something nice about how wonderful it was the women are achieving such great things, and instead of no-selling it like her dialogue was calling for, she was clearly moved and delivering verbiage like "You're nothing, Bayley" with a look of "Gosh girl, I love you" in her eyes. It was terrible.

Holy shit, Nia Jax re-positioning for the hard cam. The Women's Revolution, ladies and gentlemen.

So terrible that I noticed no such thing

Hey, that's how they teach'm to do it at the performance centre!

Cuppa haters filling me with too much negativity via proximity...... may have to leave.....

You honestly didn't see her face welt up and eyes start to water?

I'll post the YouTube link with the exact times you can see it happening when the WWE puts it up.

not sayin fella

You know how Ric Flair cries at everything these days? It was like, but instead of it being during an emotional moment, it was during a promo where she was tearing Bayley apart for not being in her league.

WAS A GHOST HITTING HER?!

(Ghost of Bram maybe)

Charlotte wasn't crying at all...what r u talkin' bout

lol they have flyers now

He's not wearing that goofy ass maitre'D getup

Was talking about the hard cam lol

oh man terrible punches by primo.


Sorry wrestling is way more fun when you hate it. Especially when it stinks.

the fans could not give a flizzying fizzuck about this match

Oh! Haha. There's just so much wrong it's hard to keep up.

I like Primo and Epico, but they have really run them into the ground. They beat Enzo & Cass and no one cares. They're so animated and can wrestle, but they're just...there.

Neither did I, didn't pay attention at all. Not to say it was a bad match, just too long of a show, so when the third hour rolls around I barely pay attention to anything.

Primo has been on the main roster of WWE for 8 years now. Remember there was scuttlebutt about his signing because people thought he was actually the better wrestler out of him and Carlito?

That was really hurt by it being a long show. Not that The Shining Stars are ever over, despite how much ability they have to play a crowd.

Them beating Enzo and Cass twice and then just having the feud be suddenly dropped in favor of doing nothing with Golden Truth was baffling.

jesus this is fucking terrible. At least Dustin's still collecting a paycheque. Good for him after all he's been through. And he's in awesome shape.

They lost to The Golden Truth as well too didn't they?

is big e naked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmkab3cWIAAtzSW.jpg

So many segments that don't mean anything. I just don't get it. It's not like it was even fun. It was literally there to fill time and it was just fucking terrible.

Sheamus & Cesaro > New Day > Golden Truth/Gallows & Anderson > Shining Stars > Enzo & Cass

Think Golden Truth had more wins against them than Enzo/Cass did and even that feud was just dropped for no reason.

This show desperately needs to NOT be 3 hours. Dear lord.

An annoying thing about them creating four new championships out of the blue is that when a guy like Jericho says "The US Title is the only title I haven't held," he now has to win the Universal Championship, the SmackDown Tag Team Championship AND United States Championship to be a Grand Slam Champion.

Randy Orton too.

where are Seth and Sasha are they dead/injured

Triple H too.

John Cena too, but swap US with IC.

They've probably got no immediate plans for Sasha moving forward than for her to be in the SS match and Seth will likely be the fifth guy to the chagrin of the best friends. He might also show up and help Roman Reigns tonight against Jericho & Owens.

Primo has been handled oddly right out of the gate. Wrestled one and only one match on Raw, and specifically cut a promo indicating that he was nothing like Carlito and was disgusted by his actions.

Then they took him off TV for a month, moved him to SmackDown, and put him in a team with the very same brother he was supposedly disgusted with. And despite a tag title run it meant really nothing when they got broken up because they didn't even make it a full year as a tag team.

And his team with Epico has been going on for 5 years now. What the fuck.

Impartial cornerman..... do those exsist?

luke at this gator

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I liked shiny pants Primo.

http://www.allwrestlingsuperstars.co.../Carlito-8.jpg

So what do you think the main event of RAW was going to be before Mick Foley made this match earlier? The Battle Royal or Sheamus/Cesaro vs. Shining Stars?

Why does Reigns wear two belts? Wtf kind of terrible wardrobe does he have

Nice of Owens to help out his pal Jericho from not getting pinned.

Shatter Machine!

Rollins almost completely whiffed on the first dive to Owens.

WILL THE MEGA POWERS UNITE ONCE AGAIN

No Raw Talk?

CMON do it its the only way Roman might get over

Holy shit, they are actually marketing him as Seth Freakin' Rollins? Wow.

Do you really want to watch more WWE right now?

The crowd want to cheer him so bad, but the Pedigree saps any sort of identity he has. Lol at the ending. "Holy shit! Something is going to happen!" *nothing happens*

WE'RE ALL OUTTA TIME!!!

If the rumor about the winning brand getting first choice on trades is true, Ambrose is probably a lock as one of the picks based on that Shield reunion tease at the end.

It's bad isn't it?


Kurt Angle is the only one who should ever use "freakin"

A lot of emphasis placed on words that have zero emphatic value. Freakin', jerk, etc.

I don't think PG is necessarily a death blow to the WWE, but it certainly hurts if you are trying to be edgy.

Sincere question, because I haven't watched in a while: How does that stack up to other RAWs. It reads about the same as the others, but was that particularly boring? Or has it been this bad for a while? God, please don't tell me that was a good one...

You can be edgey and PG. You just have to have an ounce of creativity.

I rephrase: I think that it can impede how edgy a lot of your dialogue can be in the sense of specific word choices. They clearly want Seth Rollins to have some sort of "cool factor," but I don't think they get that saying "freakin" between words isn't cool at all.

Seth Gosh Darn Rollins

Seth My Goodness Rollins

It was par for the course of late. Not much more than background noise.

Raw in general is better than it has been prior to the draft split - but that's really not saying much.

Kevin Golly Owens.

Seth Jeepers Rollins

Chris Flamin' Jericho

Roman Holy Moly Reigns