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Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 09:58 PM

:lol: at the shot of the kid in the crowd being shocked at what just happened.

Lock Jaw 11-22-2016 09:58 PM

Sooooo...... Ellsworth pretty much won this cleanly

Savio 11-22-2016 09:59 PM

I like how he had to use his whole body weight to get the contract.

Lock Jaw 11-22-2016 09:59 PM

I guess AJ would have won if not for Dean coming out, but then he was pretty ineffective, and Ellsworth did the rest by himself......

Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 09:59 PM

:lol: at JBL

Evil Vito 11-22-2016 10:00 PM

Colin Delaney probably cries himself to sleep seeing this Ellsworth push.

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4890766)
Sooooo...... Ellsworth pretty much won this cleanly

Essentially. AJ has been made to look like a fucking moron once again.

Lock Jaw 11-22-2016 10:01 PM

I was ok with past Ellsworth victories over Styles because they were all obviously because of Ambrose, with Ellsworth pretty much being "dead"..... this time Ambrose was minimal and Ellsworth pretty much just plain beat him. Quickly, too.

Triple A 11-22-2016 10:04 PM

I don't think this makes AJ Styles look "weak" at all. He got stuck in the ropes... was a good excuse

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:04 PM

Good show overall, but I am completely over this Ellsworth shit.

Savio 11-22-2016 10:04 PM

Yeah this was a bit much, also logically Dean should lose his title opportunity for interfering.

KIRA 11-22-2016 10:04 PM

Yep way to validate your champ WWE where is Cynick I want him to try to justify this and Pat Patterson's cream team to me.

Clerk 11-22-2016 10:06 PM

This is crazy. James Ellsworth is on the SD Live Roster with a contract. Is jbl the only one with a brain on this joke of a product?? I expect more from this show

Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 10:06 PM

Styles could still destroy Ellsworth next week as a tune up to the Ambrose match at TLC though. Vicious enough that he gets taken off tv till the Rumble for the big pop.

Only problem is they've written Ambrose in a way that unless Styles viciously beats him up, he's always going to pop up interfering in Styles-Ellsworth matches.

Evil Vito 11-22-2016 10:07 PM

I doubt Ellsworth lasts much longer than the Royal Rumble, to be honest.

Evil Vito 11-22-2016 10:08 PM

Colin Delaney signed a 3 year deal after months on ECW, then got fired like 2 months later. Probably will be the same with Ellsworth.

Savio 11-22-2016 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4890778)
Styles could still destroy Ellsworth next week as a tune up to the Ambrose match at TLC though. Vicious enough that he gets taken off tv till the Rumble for the big pop.

Only problem is they've written Ambrose in a way that unless Styles viciously beats him up, he's always going to pop up interfering in Styles-Ellsworth matches.

Have Shane say "If you come out or distract AJ in any way you will lose your title shot."

Clerk 11-22-2016 10:10 PM

Anyone sticking around for the shooter show? I will give it a chance

Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 4890780)
Colin Delaney signed a 3 year deal after months on ECW, then got fired like 2 months later. Probably will be the same with Ellsworth.

Only difference is Ellsworth is moving a lot more merch than Delaney probably ever did and I think Delaney had some attitude or issues backstage that led to his quick firing.

Unless Smackdown's Creative is legit toying with the idea of giving Ellsworth the WWE title, this should be his peak in terms of the storyline.

WWE really should have done the IC and Cruiser belt swap at Survivor Series since Smackdown's IC and WWE divisions are way too thin to support both. Styles-Ellsworth and Styles-Ambrose are being stretched out too long as a result.

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:12 PM

Ambrose put the Survivor Series match in jeopardy and directly defied a mandate from on high for nothing but completely selfish reasons. And he's a babyface? OK. That might work if the authority weren't two of the biggest faces in WWE history, but whatever. Not my call.

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4890784)
Only difference is Ellsworth is moving a lot more merch than Delaney probably ever did and I think Delaney had some attitude or issues backstage that led to his quick firing.

Unless Smackdown's Creative is legit toying with the idea of giving Ellsworth the WWE title, this should be his peak in terms of the storyline.

WWE really should have done the IC and Cruiser belt swap at Survivor Series since Smackdown's IC and WWE divisions are way too thin to support both. Styles-Ellsworth and Styles-Ambrose are being stretched out too long as a result.

Not sure how anyone could think it would be a good idea to have the US and IC titles on the same show with split brands. They'd essentially be the very same thing. Also, leaving Smackdown with only the top title and the cruiserweight title would make the show look very odd, I feel. Not switching was the right call.

Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 10:18 PM

There was a rumor about the WWE doing a possible title vs title feud next month with Reigns and Owens which would have been a perfect way to merge those two belts and have the IC belt being the mid-card belt for RAW.

Smackdown loses their mid-card belt but it helps them more in the end because of the smaller roster.

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4890788)
There was a rumor about the WWE doing a possible title vs title feud next month with Reigns and Owens which would have been a perfect way to merge those two belts and have the IC belt being the mid-card belt for RAW.

Smackdown loses their mid-card belt but it helps them more in the end because of the smaller roster.

So you'd just want to do away with the US title completely?

Ruien 11-22-2016 10:35 PM

Or the Universal title :shifty:

Anybody Thrilla 11-22-2016 10:36 PM

No way. Too much prestige.

Ruien 11-22-2016 10:38 PM

Ellsworth still has a lot of legs if AJ beats the piss out of him. He comes back during the RR and gets a fluke elimination on someone. This sets up a mini program with someone. Then he becomes Ambrose's manager/lackey for Mania.

Then he can go become tag team partners with Kane or some crap for awhile.

Emperor Smeat 11-22-2016 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 4890791)
So you'd just want to do away with the US title completely?

Yes since on paper, the IC belt would get a lot more focus and strength if it was the only real mid-card belt around.

WWE has already shown the idea of the US belt's prestige only maters if its Cena and Reigns with the belt. Maybe even Rusev only because he plays the perfect anti-American bad guy for it.

Once Reigns drops the belt, its probably going back to irrelevance after a short while. Either that or rehash Rusev's stuff with the belt for a third time if he takes it next.

Bad News Gertner 11-22-2016 10:48 PM

AJ still looking like a bitch. Hope Ellsworth gets into a car accident leaving the arena and looses both legs . So retarded.

Bad News Gertner 11-22-2016 10:55 PM

Shit like that is why nobody watches. Bunch of gas station attendant looking motherfuckers. Remember when wrestlers looked bad ass and people actually watched? Fun times. But nom nom nom workrate. Fucking brutal.

Bad News Gertner 11-22-2016 10:56 PM

Remember when Ryback had momentum and then started losing every ppv, but in "screwy finishes" and people said it would kill his momentum because he wasn't jobbing clean? How did that turn out for ya. Friggen joke.

SlickyTrickyDamon 11-23-2016 01:25 AM

AJ and Carmella Vs. John Cena and Nikki bella has to happen.

#BeatingUptheCenas

Mr. Nerfect 11-23-2016 02:41 AM

I've got a weird feeling that Alexa Bliss will win the SmackDown Women's Title at TLC. I know people here like her because she is hot, but that will be a sad day.

Mr. Nerfect 11-23-2016 02:45 AM

I'm still ready for this brand split shit to end. You could make the Royal Rumble pretty fucking prestigious to be honest. Have the Royal Rumble to decide the #1 Contender for the True World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania and a series of unification matches:

* AJ Styles vs. Seth Rollins (Rollins wins the belt from Kevin Owens at Roadblock)
* Roman Reigns vs. The Miz
* Charlotte vs. Becky Lynch
* The New Day vs. Randy Orton & Bray Wyatt (they win the belts at TLC)

That's a pretty huge card and can allow you a must less convolutated and cluttered run heading into Mania, where you just know the rules of the brand extension are going to go out the window anyway.

Ruien 11-23-2016 07:16 AM

I am enjoying the brand split because Smackdown is amazing. I am willing to.sacrifice Raw for Smackdown .

Cool King 11-23-2016 12:00 PM

• Throughout the entire show, I found Ambrose to be genuinely annoying. I found myself just wishing he would fuck off.

• Intercontinental Title match was good and I'm actually happy to see the Miz/Ziggler stuff continue, and I feel it's right to end it at TLC. A ladder match sounds very promising and I'm really looking forward to it and I'm sure it'll be another fantastic match from both men.

What they've done for the title is amazing and I really hope that after the Miz/Ziggler stuff is finished, this momentum will carry on.

Also, things got a bit awkward when Corbin missed his cue for his interference. It just made Kalisto look really stupid. What the guys in the back see in Corbin just baffles me. He legitimately sucks. He's boring as all hell and I really really feel he needs to go back to NXT for some much needed work on everything about him.

• The Gauntlet/Turmoil match (whatever the hell you want to call it) was not bad. I've always enjoyed this match type and I would like to see more, but not too much as that would just ruin the novelty of it. (just look at Hell in a Cell)

I feel that calling Mojo a spazz doesn't really do him any favours, and I feel really bad for The Vaudevillains, but more so for Aiden English. I can't help but think that the team being jobbers just leads back to Simon Gotch being a complete prick backstage. (if the stories are true)

I wouldn't mind seeing English go solo though. I think that would be interesting.

It was surprising to see The Wyatts get in on the tag team action but with the bell not ringing at the end of the match, that means the match is still going, right? Anyway, part of me thinks The Wyatt's will win then go on to win the titles at TLC. I'm still not completely sold on Orton though. I still feel he'll turn on Bray, possibly during the title match at TLC.

• Even though I found Ambrose to be annoying from beginning to end, I did enjoy him as a Mountie (or possibly THE Mountie). I was just waiting for him to say the line, and what made it that bit more funnier was that you could see both Ambrose and Bryan try their best not to laugh just before Ambrose delivered the line.

• Alexa Bliss is fantastic and I can see her winning the title at TLC. Also, her completely destroying Otunga on commentary was hilarious.

• Kalisto grabbing a chair after the Kane/Corbin match is obvious we'll be seeing a Chairs Match at TLC, which is stupid. That match type has got to be one of the worst/stupidest match types ever.

Expect to see Corbin swinging a chair around next week.

• The main event was what it was. I think Ellsworth announcing online a few days ago that he had signed a contract made it obvious he was going to win the match.

I'm not really that bothered by Ellsworth sticking around. It's entertaining in its own way and hearing JBL come up with some of his insults can actually be pretty funny at times.

JBL saying that maybe Tony Chimel can donate one of his chins to Ellsworth actually got a good laugh out of me. I don't see this Ellsworth saga lasting that long though. I think it'll start to wind up around Royal Rumble time. I really can't see this lasting past WrestleMania.

• Anyway, SmackDown was good yet again, but I don't think it was as good as it could have been. SmackDown has been better but that doesn't mean I think this week sucked. Not at all.

I just really could have done with Ambrose being annoying.

Cool King 11-23-2016 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4890830)
I've got a weird feeling that Alexa Bliss will win the SmackDown Women's Title at TLC. I know people here like her because she is hot, but that will be a sad day.

That would be a fantastic day.

I don't know about everyone else, but I like Alexa, not just because she's hot (and she is hot) but also that she's just generally really good.

She's developed so much since being drafted to SmackDown. The weeks since then she's just gotten better and better. I really can't think of a bad thing to say about her. She's good in the ring, on the mic and by watching this week's show, we've all seen that she's good on commentary and great at completely destroying people verbally.

Big Vic 11-23-2016 12:20 PM

I am for Alexa winning the title because on raw Becky was booked as a jobber to the stars and she should not be holding the title.

Big Vic 11-23-2016 12:21 PM

Although Alexa DID job to Naomi.

The CyNick 11-23-2016 02:12 PM

I think Ellsworth is actually going to get the title shot at The Rumble. There was a reason they laid out the match the way they did. They made sure Ellsworth got in offence to win the match, not just Ambrose winning for him.

Styles will obviously beat Ellsworth, but they see more legs in him than just beating him randomly on TV. Of course, plans change.

The CyNick 11-23-2016 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4890831)
I'm still ready for this brand split shit to end. You could make the Royal Rumble pretty fucking prestigious to be honest. Have the Royal Rumble to decide the #1 Contender for the True World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania and a series of unification matches:

* AJ Styles vs. Seth Rollins (Rollins wins the belt from Kevin Owens at Roadblock)
* Roman Reigns vs. The Miz
* Charlotte vs. Becky Lynch
* The New Day vs. Randy Orton & Bray Wyatt (they win the belts at TLC)

That's a pretty huge card and can allow you a must less convolutated and cluttered run heading into Mania, where you just know the rules of the brand extension are going to go out the window anyway.

Makes no sense to end the brand split this early. Good card, but terribly short sighted booking.

The CyNick 11-23-2016 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4890884)
I am for Alexa winning the title because on raw Becky was booked as a jobber to the stars and she should not be holding the title.

I'm guessing they want to get to Nikki vs Becky at Mania. I think the story of Nikki chasing the title after the neck surgery is a good one. Although maybe you create a heel girl faction with Bliss, Carmela and Natty. That way you have the group help Bliss win the belt which protects Becky, and then gives Nikki some obstacles to go through leading up to Mania.

Or maybe Becky is the one who laid out Nikki.

The CyNick 11-23-2016 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4890806)
Remember when Ryback had momentum and then started losing every ppv, but in "screwy finishes" and people said it would kill his momentum because he wasn't jobbing clean? How did that turn out for ya. Friggen joke.

Member Feed Me More? I member.

Emperor Smeat 11-23-2016 07:57 PM

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Last night's WWE SmackDown, featuring the fallout from Survivor Series and James Ellsworth vs. WWE World Champion AJ Styles in the Ladder Match main event, drew 2.505 million viewers. This is down from last week's 2.725 million viewers for the SmackDown 900 episode.
Combo of last week's Smackdown being a special episode and RAW getting the post-SS bump are likely the two main reasons why for the drop. That and possible viewer fatigue playing a role since it was the 4th night in a row for WWE wrestling shows.

Bad News Gertner 11-23-2016 08:25 PM

That and Ellsworth is fucking terrible

Ruien 11-23-2016 10:50 PM

ELLSWORTH HAS A TITLE MATCH ASSHOLE! SHOW SOME DAMN RESPECT

Mr. Nerfect 11-24-2016 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4891009)
That and Ellsworth is fucking terrible

Can not stress this enough.

Mr. Nerfect 11-24-2016 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 4890876)
That would be a fantastic day.

I don't know about everyone else, but I like Alexa, not just because she's hot (and she is hot) but also that she's just generally really good.

She's developed so much since being drafted to SmackDown. The weeks since then she's just gotten better and better. I really can't think of a bad thing to say about her. She's good in the ring, on the mic and by watching this week's show, we've all seen that she's good on commentary and great at completely destroying people verbally.

Has she really gotten that much better in the ring? The last I saw her, people overrated her wrestling ability by A LOT because she was hot. She wasn't quite Kelly Kelly bad, but it was the same "underwater" style wrestling, with delays between her taking a move and bumping and shit. It was clear she was overthinking out there and evident she just couldn't work. If someone plans out spots for her and she goes out there and does a completely choreographed spot-fest, I imagine that is doable for her, but I don't consider that being "good in the ring." She can probably be carried.

The reason she doesn't get the same shit as the old Divas got is because she she's not being pushed as a top babyface and instead she is the mean bitchy heel which plays to our masochism as modern wrestling fans. Women's wrestling is also en vogue at the moment thanks to NXT, catching a spark that TNA started, and it's not cool to criticize the women objectively as performers, because they're trying really hard and being presented as real athletes now, which I personally feel is condescending as fuck.

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Yep. I'm sure her athleticism is what draws people towards her.

I actually see a lot in her. She actually reminds me of Trish Stratus in several ways. I just don't think she's on the level people say she's on -- well, at least she wasn't two months ago -- and that's FINE. I just can't stand the gushing because people want to fuck her. And that goes into her charisma, but she is nowhere near the best woman on the roster -- especially when you rank them in terms of pure wrestling ability.

Mr. Nerfect 11-24-2016 06:41 PM

I have no doubt they are moving towards Nikki Bella vs. Becky Lynch at WrestleMania, but I'd rather see them put the Four Horsewomen together against four heels. It'll be interesting to see the crowd reaction if they do turn Becky heel against "But What About My Neck" Nikki Bella. In a lot of ways, Nikki is still a Diva too, and despite Tazz Dan telling me that she was the nicest person in the world (and I'm sure she is), makes a much better heel due to how pristine she is.

That crowd gonna turn and chant for her blood.

The CyNick 11-24-2016 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4891305)
I have no doubt they are moving towards Nikki Bella vs. Becky Lynch at WrestleMania, but I'd rather see them put the Four Horsewomen together against four heels. It'll be interesting to see the crowd reaction if they do turn Becky heel against "But What About My Neck" Nikki Bella. In a lot of ways, Nikki is still a Diva too, and despite Tazz Dan telling me that she was the nicest person in the world (and I'm sure she is), makes a much better heel due to how pristine she is.

That crowd gonna turn and chant for her blood.

No blood in the current environment. And only a geek would cheer against Nikki reaching the mountain to after her ordeal and triumphant comeback.

SlickyTrickyDamon 11-24-2016 09:54 PM

Good thing all wrestling fans are geeks then.

Mr. Nerfect 11-25-2016 06:00 AM

The real humans have been run off.

The CyNick 11-25-2016 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4891361)
Good thing all wrestling fans are geeks then.

Not me


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