This is Team screech, ladies and gentlemen. It started off as "Why do you come in here and criticize people's opinions?" Because it started off not being fine to criticize opinions. Then, you'll notice, screech shifted the goal-posts to be about me being a dick to people. He introduced this by saying something like "It feels like you're being a dick," and stuff like "it feels just short of you calling me a moron." Then it became I am actually apparently doing those things, and that what I was originally doing is actually completely fine. Now it's people actually acting like dicks trying to tell me that I'm a dick.

For clarification: Seph is upset I neg-repped him again for his passive aggressive post saying "Lol, stop being a sook." Because he's being a sook. I'm at least arguing a point, Seph. If you've got something smart to say -- say it. If not -- lol, stop being a sook.

I mostly just get my jollies from people getting so worked up over a gimmick. I mean I dig the Broken stuff personally, but I can see why others wouldn't. Just the fact that it's so polarizing is amusing to me.

If I didn't like it, I wouldn't be afraid to say I thought it fucking sucked, but I don't think it'd "take me out" of the programming or whatever. Then again I've personally just always preferred the variety show approach to wrestling. I liked Total Nonstop Deletion as a one-off episode but in general I'd never want the entirety of Raw to be about one thing. But as a character getting one segment a week? Yeah, I'm cool with that.

I've just always liked having something for everybody. And if someone was on I didn't give a shit about, I'd just shrug, do something else and wait for the next segment.

lol Jesus fucking Christ. You are making more of this than it is. There is no irony. I am not on a high horse. My opinion is not better than anyone else's (as much as you love to point out that "fact.")

You are shitting on everyone who enjoys this gimmick by explaining why you think it sucks. We all know you hate it, and we all know why.

People are allowed to enjoy things that you don't. You can hate something without responding to everyone who likes it with an essay on why it's "killing the business." It really isn't hard to understand.

This is either some really dedicated trolling, or you legitimately can't comprehend simple ideas.

I'm upset. LOL. Says the guy who keeps typing novels in response to me calling him a pussy because he neg repped me for not agreeing with him and siding with the guy owning his ass. Hey Noid. For clarification: I'm going to call you a pussy every time you neg rep me. Pussy.

I shall henceforth be eagerly awaiting your next essay explaining to us all again what we got on page 1.

If it wasn't any good then it would be just like anything else WWE or Impact has done that are just meh stories that deserve that shrug. The fact that its either liked or hated says alot. Similar to Roman Reigns and what CyNick likes to preach in that he gets a reaction. He's not wrong in that thought.

Noid thinks its bad for wrestling and I do understand his point a bit. I'm with you though as I've always enjoyed the variety aspect of pro wrestling. Off the wall but also grounded at the same time. It's entertainment now and everyone has a different views on what they see as entertainment and WWE tries to appeal to all. WWE doesn't need to go all in on it like Impact did and there is no need to but it has to have a bit more substance than just a laugh off to work. The back story of Sister Abigail has already done something for Wyatt and that's my hope is that Wyatt get something out of this.

I honestly don't think enough people are paying attention to wrestling for it to be negatively affected by this. Wrestling fans are the only ones who know about broken matt, and for the most part, they love him. It would be one thing if it was a portion of the hardcore fanbase that liked him, and he was turning off most viewers. But that's clearly not the case

I stated before that the appeal is tbat it is the wrestling gimmick equivalent to a B-movie. Also could make the comparison to adult swim. Just that bonkers randomness that appeals to certain people.

Can understand why some people don't like it, but I refuse to believe its contributing to the downfall of the business. Maybe the downfall of your personal ideals on what wrestling should be. But said ideals may not match up with what the general fanbase wants.

And in a time when they literally cut RAW in half for Hulu, anything you don't like can be easily skipped. Sometimes they do it for you.

Agree and I also don't think that wrestling is that much mainstream that it will be effected. I get Noids point that its not like realistic but Hardy sells it as such and creates these backstories which is what makes it great in my opinion. He doesn't treat it as just an act and uses his social media accounts to progress stories which is something WWE tries to do but are not very good at.

I like Broken Matt Hardy, granted I do feel WWE will screw it up, They already kinda doing that, found that glass shattering Woken graphic to be stupid and annoying and really unneeded.

But Pro Wrestling is meant to suspend belief. It's made us believe Val Venis is hung like a Giraffe's neck. That you can actually assault people without getting arrested. So what if a dude believes that animals are incarninates of famous people. My E-Fed character believed he was a Super Saiyan, I don't see how it's hurting anything.

Granted if he becomes a unstoppable World Champion, then we might have time to complain.

I don't know, Broken Matt Hardy doing Today Show appearances like John Cena might be pretty entertaining.

And the fan meltdowns would be hilarious.

Do not understand how Noid unironically makes 35 page posts about Broken Matt Hardy if he doesnt like him.

Because he's allowed to have his opinions, Dale, and how dare you suggest otherwise.

Just watched the second promo. May have been more campy (campier?) than the last one, and I can see why people who were excited are less so after it.

What they actually said was fine (I think their chemistry is good so far), but the graphics in between the cuts seemed a bit much. Made the laughing back and forth seem especially forced.

I liked the mooing after the golden calf line though haha

Noid is so overrated as a poster. The guy wouldn't know wrestling if wrestling whipped out its dick and slapped him in the face with it. Just a shite poster through and through. Rambles on and on about jack shit. Glad that people on here are finally starting to take notice of this shitstain on society.

For the record, I think Matt's Broken/Awoken shit is pretty fucken cool. One of the best things in wrestling in years. The fuck what gay retards like Noid think.

lol it was such a creepy moo

Hopefully Matt makes good on his vows to ELEVATE THE ANTE next week

Lol Noid is a good poster. He simply lacks the ability to let things go.

It was completely ridiculous lol, I can see how it could "take people out of it" though.

I'm actually interested to see what their match is going to be. But I'm not sure I can take more of those awkward graphic cuts with the laughter.

Noid/CyNick was a great TPWWMania main event last year.

Yeah, those transition graphics were terrible. Really don't know why they felt the need to do that. The first week the cuts were quick back and forth and it made it actually feel more like they were responding to each other.

I don't mind the characters laughing being just a small part of their schtick. Matt laughing at the end of a promo is fine with me. But awkwardly shoehorning it into every conversation between them would suck.

And you just KNOW they're gonna have a face to face laugh off at some point. Because WWE are kings of running things into the ground and setting them on fire.

The first Hardy/Wyatt promo was cool but then they pretty much did the exact same shit the next week.....just adding in those gay Awoken subheadings. WWE should just let Matt do his thing.

Their face-to-face showdown will be laughter and flickering lights for a solid 6 minutes.

With a commercial break

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Noted cruiserweight Bray Wyatt. At least Woken Matt may have been able to revert himself to 2003 Cruiserweight Champion form with a dip in the Lake of Reincarnation.

.....Wow..........wow.

They should add like 6 matches featuring Reigns, Strowman, Samoa Joe, etc. to the Cruiserweight tour. And then subtract all but maybe 1 of the Cruiserweight matches.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I shall be working TIRELESSLY on these Eves. Not only must I DELETE the DASTARDLY <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a> &amp; the HORRENDOUS <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SisterAbigail?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SisterAbigail</a>, I must also COUNSEL a MYRIAD of individuals who suffer from the POTENT Spot Monkey ADDICKKTION..<br><br>WONDERFUL! <a href="https://t.co/7t4SZmApJY">https://t.co/7t4SZmApJY</a></p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/942581840065581056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I'm disappointed that ticket sales for 205 Live were so bad that they already needed to add other attractions. These were not big arenas and they were in the northeast which tend to draw good crowds to pretty much everything. I've not seen an indy show in this area that didn't have a good turnout. If the sales were that bad for this three-show run, I'm not sure we'll be seeing another 205 Live tour anytime soon. And that's a shame because it's a talented roster and it would've given the guys some extra paydays. Right now there is usually only one cruiserweight match on Raw house shows and the rest of them just sit at home collecting dust on the weekends since they aren't booked for NXT house shows either.

That being said, I'm not surprised they turned to Matt to try to sell tickets for these three shows. Northeast crowds tend to be pretty smarky and it's a safe bet it'll be three crowds that will be into the gimmick. I could see an actual boost in sales.

I bet Roman Reigns could pin Matt Hardy!

WWE pretty much is paying for their terrible handling of the division basically since the start. The division has had some bright moments here and there but is just damaged goods at this point and needs some major rehauling on the creative side of things.

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At least they're not tripling down on the laughing, but I feel this would have been better shot and edited from House Hardy.

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Well after a promo last week that seemed organic and that Matt might've written it himself, it was right back to awkward forced laughing this week.

This character is dead in the water.

This is a great post.

I agree with your first bit. I don't think it's actively going to chase people away. But I think for any attention it stirs up, the people you probably want to get in are going to say "This is dumb. How do people watch this?" That's all. Like, do we really need more fans with that ironic "appreciation" of wrestling but really don't get emotionally invested, because it's hokey and dumb. It gets really hard to have a good atmosphere when everyone just wants to come and laugh at the weird man.

They are only my personal ideals of wrestling, but I think there's a big problem with fandom in wrestling at the moment. They've chased away most of the casuals, and now they have a hardcore audience that wants to both dictate what they want, and when they get it, they want something else.

It's just depressing being a fan in that environment. You want to go and enjoy some good live music, because you like some of the bands, but then there is this person screeching and people throwing up onto your shoes. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit?

I'll cop to the second part. Not sure about the first part though.

So that's the depth of this character in WWE now. He just laughs a lot. Well great.

What if they come for the whacky Matt Randomness, and end up staying for the really meaningful stuff?

I have quite a few friends who became fans for the superficial stuff, or for one angle that appealed to them at the time, but quickly learned and came to understand how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Now I talk to those same friends about okada's storytelling or lucha undergrounds long term booking. Topics that may as well have been a foreign language to them when they came in for whatever nonsense attracted them at the time.

It was one week.

Tranquillo

It's a fair point. I just don't really think it's going to pan out that way. I think it's cutting off your nose to spite your face a bit. But feel free to disagree.

Well, 3 out of 4 weeks so far.

Yeah. It's been multiple weeks.

And did they actually do the "woken" glass shattering cutaway live or was that just added into the Youtube clip? Either way... What the fuck.

Bingo. The first week was whatever, because it was the first time the character had been seen and the back and forth laughing was kinda funny because it was unexpected.

Then WWE decided that it was the most important thing about the character and that nobody will believe he's crazy if he doesn't laugh all the time.

Dude's laughed more in a month than he did during his entire TNA run.

They did the cutaway live. Then went right to a Cesaro and Sheamus backstage segment which the crowd paid zero attention to because they were chanting DELETE at Hardy who was still in the ring.

Half expected Chicago to boo once they realized they weren't getting a real promo.

Something tells me that they only want this to get "over" to a certain (lower) level - but maybe I'm imagining things :| :'(

Nah, I'd call incompetence over malice when you look at the rest of the show.

There's no way hardy has any say in what he's doing cause this just reeks of what some moron writer that never saw the broken stuff thinks it would be

Wow really thought they would do something with them being in the ring but it was just more laughing. WWE really has no idea how to do the character. It's like Matt Hardy has overdosed on laughing gas.

Gotta agree. If they knew it would be in TNA still like it belongs

well atleast we don't have matt facts, we knew it would suck in wwe, but it is stillthe best thing matt hardy can do in the wwe.

I don't know, it had substance in TNA and told stories but its just one dimensional in WWE. Not the best thing Hardy could be doing in WWE at all.

Not that many of them are familiar with it. I'm telling ya, man -- fewer people have seen any of the TNA stuff than the WWE stuff. Matt Hardy vs. Shannon Moore from Velocity way back when would have been seen by more people. They're going along with the wave of people trying to be cool and take over with the "Delete!" thing. Most people don't have a clue what it is about. If people keep doing it, then the sheep that follow will keep doing it.

Fuck, then they do something like this where Matt has either talked them into something or they had a good idea and I'm interested again.

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Preferred his TNA piano as the faster pace was better for madness, but I like this as entrance music too.

Yeah that's far better than whatever the hell it was he did on Raw.

Figured they'd just make him laughing as his theme. I've liked the explanation for Sister Abigail but since then its been bad.

Matt did an interview with IGN and in it he said a Final Deletion style match is 100% in the works, the familiar characters from TNA will be brought in, and that hardcore fans need to have patience when it comes to the character because they have to get everyone else up to speed on all the quirks and nuances of the gimmick.

That last bit would be fine if they were introducing the quirks and the nuances and not just making him laugh every week.

That is company line. Chavo Guerrero was happy being a jobber; Cody Rhodes was happy doing Stardust; Matt is just introducing the nuances. I'm sure they are planning a trash match, and I'm sure it will be just as bad at the TNA ones, but better produced and hated by fans of the actual gimmick when they realize it is trash.

I feel like the brass didn't really watch any of this gimmick and just said, "Hey! People like the laughing!"

Is there a "Woken Matt laughing" shirt on WWE Shop yet? Feel like they'd have jumped on that by now to go with the 10-hour video.

That match will be trash, yes. The old ones will still be around for posterity thankfully. Already re-watching the whole saga again as of a couple of days ago.

To each their own.

Off topic but since you reminded me of it, Cody fucking nailed that Stardust gimmick. I remember watching him go to comic-con to interact with Stephen Amell in character and he was SO good.

Depends what you're after. I have no clue why they went to it in the first place. I thought it was a bit hammy. He threw himself into it and some stuff worked, other stuff was kind of...um, okay.

Like, why did he hiss?

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He was supposed to be a mirror to Goldust (hence doing twists of classic Goldust moves), Goldust used to do the deep breath in, Stardust did a a short breathe out?

I remember watching WWE at a love show and me and my son being the only people in our seating area cheering for Stardust.

I'm just gonna see how the Woken Matt Hardy storyline pans out , when is Jeff due back from injury.

Goldust is one of the WWE greatest gimmicks of all time, so comparing Stardust to that is probably unfair.

I think it was pretty terrible though. He constant came out to no reaction and it just felt like Cody playing dress up.

No consistency or proper story to the character

Oh, the story and character development was shit. Nothing on WWE's part was good. But Cody played the hell out of it. And like I said, when he went to that Convention to confront Stephen Amell, it seriously made me think "Goddammit, I wish he was doing this character somewhere where character development was a thing and it wasn't just guys cutting promos while being diectionless."

It was fitting anyhow, seeing as it is a different part of the same song. TNA used the 3rd movement, and this is the 1st.

But that's a moot point, since he's now getting the CFO$ treatment that will hopefully be fleshed out and cleared up.


Unrelated to that, I've thought about something recently; part of what made the gimmick "good" to begin with was what it was born from. It was a heel turn on Jeff because he "selfishly got himself injured" in addition to jealousy over Jeff being a licence to print money in and of himself.

But instead of a rote heel turn, it was more akin to the Booker T vs. Harlem Heat angle in WCW, where Stevie Ray kept taking the "marketable" stuff from his brother... from not being able to have flames on his gear, to replacing his theme music with the Leave It To Beaver theme. Matt did the same thing when he "won the rights" to Jeff Hardy as a brand. That's what started the "DELETE" business, as Jeff's social media accounts and marketing presence essentially became Matt's. Jeff became "Brother Nero" or "That Obsolete Mule" because he was no longer legally allowed to be Jeff Hardy, since the Hardy name solely belonged to Matt and his heir. Matt had cracked under the weight of his own ego, and all of the extravagance was over something so petty. Made Jeff come out to no music (and then his eventual "summoning"), made him wrestle matches in his stead or compete in tag matches where he had to do most of the heavy lifting and Matt got the victory. Cool take on basic stuff.

... then it snowballed into this whole other thing involving kayfabed interviews/podcasts and "preemoneetions" and time travel and teleporting and cheap CGI and a sentient drone and losts of shots of Reby's cleavage and a boat getting more over than Jinder Mahal and an imaginary scribe who suspiciously looks like Samwell Tarley and animals who are supposedly reincarnated historical figures and King Maxel's first televised match and all the other incredible shit the Broken/Wokenverse has spawned like creeper vines.

I really hope WWE doesn't just distill this down to "DELETE!" and overexaggerated Matt laughs.

As for Stardust, Cody was definitely making the most of a shitty spot. Thing that intrigued me is not only him clearly being squandered, but this also being about the time that there was a lot of talk of Roman having all sorts of charisma and wit when he is just "allowed" to be himself at these kinds of functions instead of having scripts shoved in his face for TV. I'm not the biggest champion of Reigns, mostly *because* of WWE (sadly, that is also majorly why I dislike Baron and had a really tough time getting into Rusev). And those are the two we hear about. How many others are in the locker room being squandered because "they don't have *it*" in the eyes of Vince, Steph, or Hunter?

Someone like Jason Jordan has been trying to get pushed forever (NXT even since pre -American Alpha... he was singles, then he was partnered with Tye Dillinger, then singles again, then AA...) and every time, the announcers would spend half the match putting over his look and credentials and just wasn't getting over because there was nothing else to him. He had less character than Steamboat's kid. It took until now for something he could sink his teeth into and give him some sort of depth: a cocky kid who think's he's better than he is with big mouth and a quick temper. There's enough there to make me stop calling him Porkchop Jones because I actually remember his name. He might have had that there the whole time, but had this whole "interjecting himself into The Shield" opportunity didn't come about, he would likely still be yet another generic musclehead because creative had nothing for him.

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I was wondering where Matt Hardy bumped into indy talent, but then realized they were 205 Live guys.

Ouch, Noid. Funny.... but ouch.

So after weeks of build up, they just had a match on RAW? The match wasn't BAD, I just figured they would of at least saved it for the PPV:-\

They're actually all really talented, they just have completely failed (the company, I mean) to endear 205 Live to me.

I'm sure they'll just do the match again. Logical storytelling says Bray soundly defeating Matt Hardy again fair and square doesn't leave much reason for the feud to continue but it will. Because matches don't really matter in WWE world.

The guy who we'll be expected to accept as a legit challenger to Brock Lesnar's title at WrestleMania and also beat The Undertaker at WrestleMania last year just lost a match on Raw to The Miz.

That's very true.

To be fair, the loss was far from clean

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WWE: where everything's made up and the results don't matter

Chad Gable has a very good kayfabe point.

The newest Botchamania has a similar one, they were mocking the referee for getting into position to see the shoulders on the mat and classed him moving as a 1 count and said that it should have been 3 when it was 2 and blaming the ref for a controversial call.

Booker says "Hey man, but at the end of the day, the referees decision is final" and while it's being said, shows a picture of Gable and Shelton aving their belts taken.

Classic WWE.

I think you mean VINTAGE WWE!!!!!

Maybe I'm.... an optimist? skeptic?.... however you wanna say it, but I don't see Roman vs Brock at Mania. I see Braun in the main, maybe circle back to Braun vs HHH at Mania, but obviously "you never know" till they announce the match.

I think it's going to be Brock vs. Reigns, but I'm still not sure Reigns is winning. I can see them delaying that yet again (Brock has not beaten him yet). But there's something...odd going on. I don't know what it is, but I can understand why people wouldn't be feeling this match coming up. There's something that feels "plans change" about it.

That being said, Brock vs. Braun is not going to be an improvement from an in-ring or promotional standpoint.

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Looks and sounds like it should. First time I've been looking forward to something WOKEN since the move to WWE.

I marked out for Senor Benjamin and Vanguard-1.

Will watch this out of curiosity and then go right back to not caring about these two. As much as I wish I could.

Going to be interesting how they handle Jeff Hardy's inclusion since he supposedly had some parts taped but its also rumored WWE might be cutting that footage out after his recent DUI incident.