Electric promo to open up. Lots of good wrassling. Some cool stuff being set up for Arthur Ashe. Very happy with this ep. Hell I’ll have to give Rampage a shot again since they seemed to put together a strong card for it.

Bloods got deep numbers in Buffalo.

Sickkkkkkk

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Disappointed we did not get any word on punishment or using any of it to their advantage. That said, enjoyable episode.

I like that Stokely and crew seem to have just been hired guns for MJF and not a new stable for him.

Even without Jericho spoiling it, there is no way Hangman was winning. Even though he wasn't there and wasn't punished, it would be a bad look to reward him with a victory right away.

Pac is a double champion and still completely underutilized.

Where the Hell is Miro again? Black quit so his fued with House of Black is ober, but damn get that dude in a new angle immediately. For him to not even be on the show is inexcusable.

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I gotta admit that you and noid have something. you watch the show and he reviews it.

it was like a 5/10 show

Shoulda been a 20/5 show

If anyone other than a mark was running this company it would be the hottest thing since 98

twu twu

And probably 35 of those were me

You have an angle fall in your lap with believable heat that can be molded into a sellable blood fued with a babyface that needs a credibility boost and instead you shelve all the talent involved and kill your top program while stripping everyone of their belts.

I hope this is a reactionary statement but any hope i had that the industry could turn itself around might have died permanently. At this moment i think thw industry cannot recover. There's no carnies running it and the marks in charge dont get it.

And i really want to say this one more time: this choice emphatically states that everything on their show is bullshit and if anything real ever happens youll know because we'll axe them for it.

Meh I disagree with that.

Only way to salvage this is for them return at Grand Slam with Punk now leading the Elite. Have Punk cost MJF from cashing in and The Elite bust up the Trios match between Death Triangle and FTR and Wardlow. Pinnacle back together against The Elite and Punk.

What a boring total shit episode. The main event was the two guys most devoid of personality on the roster.

You can't fix all your problems by having a couple of "good wrestling matches" and think that's gonna dig you out. I'm officially out on AEW at this point save for MJF. I'm actually really sad about that because it was straight fire for years. They could turn it around and maybe I'll pay take a gander at what they can put together for Full Gear but there's nothing of substance here.

Destor is in fact correct here. Combine that with how badly they've botched just about everything else and there really isn't much here for me.

I may be done with any wrestling made after 9/7/22.this just crushes my soul. Im floored by this.

*excluding someone asking me to critique their match or something obviously

I think its flat out garbage that they made the wrong call in the tag match at All Out so they're going to try to make up for it with a Ghostbusters 2 type match at Grand Slam. Yeah, maybe Swerve does some heel things and they keep the titles but you can't capture the lightning in a jar moment that they had at All Out. They aren't going to be able to replicate that. They'll try and it won't be bad but it won't be anywhere near what number 1 was.

I get what you're saying Destor, but look at the people involved. Some of the most defensive, thin skinned people in the business today. I don't think they are capable of putting issues aside for the sake of business.

Also, not sure why this is surprising. Its not the territories or even the 90's. Its the age of corporate wrestling. WB/Discovery was already breathing down their necks about certain issues before this event. If Tony didn't take action, they'd really be in the shit.

I'm not disagreeing with you that it sucks donkey balls for classic wrestling fans. Its just the reality of it.

Proud of my hometown. Made two vanilla midgets watchable with their hype.

HOWEVER

I cannot fully express my anger at leaving Butcher off this show.

Like if you want to feature someone from Buffalo, why would you not pick the guy who is more interesting, and different than most of your roster?

put enough 0s on the table and everyone comes over to eat. Add inthe chance to do something LEGENDARY. Career defining. Hell generation defining. A smart man would have found a way.

Matt Hardy and Edge worked a program despite their bad blood...lets ignore how it was mishandled and just remember how hot that was. If it has been different talent and handled better we'd never stop thinking about it.

The Outsiders brought that same kind of energy. You thought...wait maybe this isnt bullshit like the rest of it. That's what we were on the verge of here. Something thats so rare it in this environment we get it decades apart at best.

admittedly my hope had a rope around its neck for some time. With AEW initially i thought Cody was going to bring an old school booking style into a modern era. Or could potentially at the least. That was dashed obviously.

After that my hope clung to the hope that the boys. With no one to put the brakes on them they could craft angles that genuinely worked. A lot of workers still know what its like to get heat and how to chase that dragon. The show might be disjointed but magic might happen in a murpheys law sort of way.

But this..."we wont chase it. We dont want it. Fuck that." I dont know how to process this. Its hate fucking a corpse. Its like lighting a million dollars on fire and spitting on the audience and anyone who wants to earn a living in the business while youre at it.

A rising tide raises all ships and drowns you even quicker.

And dont get me started on the wwf. There's no hope for anything genuine being created there. Theyre publicly traded. I have no clue how you book anything memorable in that environment. Too many chiefs not enough indians.

I dont know what would have been but i know potential and like i said before this is the biggest missed opportunity since starrcade 97.

And to see wrestlers doing wrestler shit and it get handled like an hr department...kill me now

Yeah, maybe they could have worked it out. The bigger issue is corporate side of it. AEW may not be publically traded but because of their dependance on the tv deal, theres going to be limits to what they can do. Maybe if they weren't already in hot water due to all the chilish swearing, but they are and this got more than enough attention where WB is paying very close attention.

Maybe being a long time gamer and WWE fan, Im just used to the corporate side making things monumentally worse, and at this point I don't have the energy to be angry at it, when I can't do anything to change.

I dont see a blood feud hurting that they run fake ones just fine

Said maybe way too many times.

Embarrassed.

im not claiming having hope wasnt a mistake. You're right.

The feud itself isn't the problem, but rather how public the incident was and public perception of how the parties involved are held accountable.

Again not my thought process, but that's how the people keeping AEW on air are seeing it. I've worked with these robots enough to know how they think.

Tell em its work. Itll be true as soon as the guys come to terms. (And soon and they start making money they'll come to terms.)

Will they though?

Does anyone outside of the fans they already have know who these guys are or give a shit that they have real issues?

Avant-garde is the only way to progress at this point anyways. Its not possible with the talent writing currently but these pressers where they drop all the kayfabe and shoot straight, theyre the only avenue for real heat when you look it objectively. Its where the audience thinks things are real. The only place. That means its the only place you can work them over.

If no one gives a shit that would include these theoretical suits

Unless someone in the room actually invoked the law and is pressing charges/suing/lawyering up then this route was totally the way to go.

If no one is pressing charges and does not want to involve the law...

God Damn Tony Khan! You should have put them in a room, told ALL of them that I can fire everyone or we can squash this right now, be professional and turn this into the biggest fucking money making angle/feud ever in modern/recent day times.

If not, GO FUCKING HOME FOREVER I'll write you all off and move onto the pushing the other 50 talented as fuck wrestlers on the roster who don't get into childish fights.

This I definitely agree with. Wrestlers of yesteryear had to convince audiences that what they were seeing is real. Wrestlers of today have to make them forget its not, which some would argue is a more difficult task. So they have to adapt to changing times and use whatever method they can to make fans feel how they want them to. Because to me at least, thats the most important part, and where the art in wrestling lies.

That's a big if. Wouldn't be surprised if there are legal issues preventing them from doing anything with this creatively.

Especially true given punks involvement

Bucks also seem bitch enough to call the cops

...the thought of that offends my soul though

Anathema

I think Tony needs to use his stars to main event, which tonight was Danielson finally beating Page. But other than that, I thought it was a good show that progressed towards their next big live event in grand slam and moved some stories along.

Danielson i think is winning the tourney.

When they all come back have butcher just beat the shit out of everyone at once.

Then give butcher the title.

They should have opened with CM Punks music and have MJF walk out. He should have spun it that CM punk is so scared to face him that he vacated the title.

Dean Ambrose should that then came out and talked about his rematch clause etc. thing can get really interesting if They use this incident instead of burying it.

He has one right here...



:shifty:

Fignuts knows what's up.

Butcher is our new gen old man DDP.

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This is the environment he catered to: toxic gatekeeping fanboys. At some point, they were gonna turn on him. I am surprised it took this long.

Late to the party for this but the meeting could have gone the ways of "Everyone was down, people were visibly upset" and Meltzer would have reported it that "unity within the company is at an all time high"

This is the perfect time for Tony to turn heel and basically tell the fans to fuck off, I don't care what you think, etc. He could even become an on air personality as the boss who goes too far.


But it won't happen.

He dropped the ball.

Last night could have been the start of a 16 man tournament.

Next week we drop down to 8

Following week, the semi finals open the show and the finals close the show.

Would have been captivating TV

He could absolutely not pull of any kind of character on TV, especially heel. I've said it before but AEW could really use an on-screen authority who is just about anyone except Tony Khan.

Please no authority figures. WWE has ruined it.

What about a mystery authority figure, pulling the strings like oz behind the scenes. Surely that hasn’t been done before.

I think an Anonymous authority figure could be good.

Can't they at least have someone who doesn't look like they've never seen a camera before make these big announcements, though

I think the authority trope is very played out. More over if its a heel then the company is heel. Psychologically that impacts the viewer subconsciously. And a baby authority is basically useless.

Heyman making the network the heel authority in 99 was a stroke of genius though. You had your heel antag but the audience could rally behind the company against them. If youre going to have a figure like that it needs to be a scenario that doesnt pit the audience against AEW.

AEW needs an actual authority figure more than an on-screen one.

I would like to reiterate that last nights main event was fucking Wheeler Yuta vs Daniel Garcia. They celebrated a 3rd tier ROH title win like it was Bryan at WrestleMania.

I think Tony honestly believes that no matter what, as long as they have a solid in-ring match on tv then that will fix everything. You simply cannot "just have a good match" out of it here.

This is fucking AEW 2.0 as far as I'm concerned.

Yuta/Garcia was the main event on their A show right after their biggest show of the year and after all the insanity thats been going on between MJF and Punk/Elite. That's how they strike while the iron is hot.

Trying to imagine the Raw after WrestleMania rolling with something like Funaki and Chavo Guerrero for a main event.

Dreben gets it

I think it was a good show, but wasn’t hot. I’m not looking forward to anything next week, and I probably won’t watch.

So the main event… I took it as a message to everyone involved. It was basically saying to them “this is who we are, and we respect the code that everyone went through in ROH.” Getting back to basics… basically

Pretty lame.

I think they were so transfixed on giving Garcia his big hometown moment, which I understand, he’s been a lynchpin in the Jericho/Danielson feud and the crowd was red hot for him. But it didn’t need to main.

When they announced the tourney brackets and Page/Danielson was announced as being on the show, that felt like an easy main event choice. Having it as a semi-main just felt really awkward.

I don't think Garcia's hometown moment would have been lessened at all by being in the middle of the card. And I say that as someone from Buffalo who is rooting for the guy.

Main event should have been Page vs Danielson.

Checkmate

i wish dutch would come in and tak over as vp maby get arn and another old booker

Old Booker T sounds like a fun gimmick. I'm listening.

His team of orderlies have to both set him down, and spin him in circles. for the ole spinarooni. Booker loves it, but doesn't understand why they do it when he doesn't want. This is the only way Old Booker T can poo




He also starts to count FIVE TIME FIVE TIME and promptly forgets, causing him to get tired and then nap.

Now can you dig that.....








FIIBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!




Shucky Ducky Quack Quack is the name of his retirement-walker.

Feel like Mox is the obvious choice to win the tourny after his speech the other night and him having the confrontation with MJF. Normally I would think it would be time to put the strap on D Bry maybe, but I don't think now is the best situation for that. You go with Mox or Jericho so you can quickly get rid of the fact that CM Punk is the only actual 2 time AEW champ. Jericho is always a great choice to put someone over, and while normally I would say putting MJF over Mox would be a bad idea, it would really elevate MJF and Mox was gonna take time off anyways until all this happened so maybe that's the way to go. I dunno, just musing.

Other than that situation and MJF in general though I find myself disinterested still. Probably just watch clips of that stuff on YT or something for awhile.

Re: Old Booker T

Sold! Sign him to a 5-year deal and put him in next weeks main event against Orange Cassidy.

I'll still prob background noise dynamite though at least. For you rez.

Your post was background noise for Old Booker T :|

Would you call him booker Booker T, or booker T, or booker Booker?

AEW’s main events always suck. Haven’t they been ending on the six-man tags? Also, I’m sure I’ve heard about Daniel Garcia main eventing before.

Havent watched the show yet, probably will today. I saw Tonys segment though, looked like he did well for an ADD riddled weirdo. Pretapes are his window to looking less like the strange man he is.

World title tournament looks fire, happy with anyone in that bunch winning not named Sammy. I would kind of like to see Darby win but the timings wrong when he would need to lose to MJF soon. Unless they think they can keep MJF hot long enough to give Darby a decent run.

1,035,000 viewers / 0.38 demo rating last night

Predicting it started with like 1.25 million and the last half hour was like 840k

That’s a terrible drop. Terrible starting number too, honestly. Raw gets 2 million these days.

Nobody cares about RAW.

2 million old people tune in who don’t know that anything else is on TV.

A Padres game does better numbers.

Fuck yeah IC champ go padres

Brutal self-own.