*Pedigree to PoisonIvy*

what are the odds Triple H will get hit by a bus and have to retire?

I doubt ORton wil get the title soon. I can see him getting his remach at Wrestlemania as HHH avoids him up until Orton wins the Royal Rumble.

It hurts. :'(

I'd like to know who is lined up for Hunter?

Benoit is dead, plus they've done too many Benoit-HHH matches.

HBK-HHH didn't do good business in June with the HIAC gimmick, I doubt anything has changed now.

Jericho looks to be tied to Edge over the IC title.

So, whose left?

Are we going to get Shelton Benjamin vs HHH for the title at Taboo Tuesday?

Orton never cut it as a face anyways. Hopefully Heat will teach him a lesson.

Oh, I'm kidding

Please get hit by a train.

*prays for Jericho vs. HHH, title vs. title match*

LOL

*Sledgehammer to PI's face*

The start of the ppv was pure shite. Benoit/Reagl vs Evolution was ok, but the whole thing with Tomko and Richards was a complete waste of time. The crowd were completly dead up untill the ladder match, which was the turning point IMO.

After the ladder match things started to get slightly good. Kane vs HBK was ok and the tag team title match was good. Main event was average, untill Orton RKO'd everyone, then it became good, and when Triple H won, it just complete bollocks and whipped out all the good things that happened in the ppv.

Give it 4/10

That'll only result in Hunter beating Jericho (again)

Stupid,Stupid,Stupid why didn't WWE just do that to Benoit and have HHH take the title off of Beniot.This will cost WWE big time as they may have just ruined their future.Well I'll be tuning in to Raw tommorow for sure

Damn, now Orton's a babyface without the World title. At least when he was champion the gold around his waist was a gilded shield from looking like a coward.

Wtf is it with hhh and michaels in matches these days? Seems virtually every match theyre in they get "bust open". Those two must need friggin blood transfusions once a month. :wtf:

:roll:

That's Mr Benjamin and im guessing it's back to good old HBK

Yeah I would say he's in some deep cow crap right about now. And I actually thought Orton was going to get protected. Maybe its not politics, maybe the deicison makers at WWE are just really really stupid.

lol lighten up toots

Go have a Mars Bar

i'll pass

Kanes due for a face run

hhh's next opponent? Three words: Carlito Caribbean Cool.

JK, but I think the next opponent could be Senor Benjamin or maybe through a trade, Eddie Guerrero. Anything else would just not work... well maybe Cpt. Charisma could fued with H or even the Big Rock Star Y2J could work (but you know he would lose to H).

Kane would make an awesome face. He's the MAIN reason why I watch RAW right now.

Who can HHH face...

HBK...overdone.
Orton..... Will either job again, or be pushed back til' Mania
Jericho.. I hope not, as Chris will be buried
Benoit... doubtful..
Benjamin... Possible, but he'll probably be fodder. He'd be a better feud with Orton.
Kane.... I doubt they'll turn him face.
Eugene... Doubtful
Regal... Possibly to avenge Eugene, but he'll be fodder.

In about 2 months Edge will be back, there's a possibility..

What about The Rock? Be Cool should be just about finished, and I don't know when Spy Hunter starts... If they put him in a feud with HHH, have him work 3 to 5 days a month, it could work... He could get the ratings up.

What about Sting? WWE was talking to him...

..it to me, I'm hungry :'(

From the sounds of things, Orton came off fairly strong with all the RKO's and everything. His character couldn't afford to drop the strap so soon though... shame they blew their load on the possiblity of Orton to early, he didn't immediately put asses in the seats (due to the horrible build up for him), then tonight when they had the chance to make him legit they panic and get the belt back on Triple H.

She cant eat Mars BArs. Shes on a diet

yep pretty much maby trips will feud with one of the new divas next. i miss the old wcw.

AJ Styles through an inter-promotion trade

awwww

Shut up

Orton's character is pretty much fucked now, even though they made him look somewhat strong tonight.

I mean, the face turn was done far to early so that dropped his credibility, but he was the world champion which allowed him to save face a bit. Now he doesn't have that, and he doesn't have an overly developed character as a face. They're going to need to hot shot the belt back to him in the next week or two, cleanly and convincingly or he'll just drop off back to midcard hell.

oh oh oh!

Jericho VS HHH
That'd be unreal!

anyway, i can sorta understand orton loosing the title, he really wasnt getting much support out there 2nite. They really need to keep Benoit in the title scene. He was awesome 2nite, best i've seen him since the Wrestlemania...he was actually wrestling like the old chris Benoit...with a bunch of chops and heavy offence

Instead of looking at the negative things of Triple H becoming world champion again(which there are some, no doubt), I'll look at the positive things. Obviously, Vince is not happy with how Orton is doing as a face, so he's giving the belt back to Triple H until Orton can get more over(even though he seems plenty over to me). Orton and Triple H will probably feud until Royal Rumble, or maybe even WMXXI.

Randy's probably going to get a big pop on Raw tomorrow, and Triple H will get his inevitable heel heat. Orton seems plenty ready to me as it is, and if it were me, I would've had Orton(along with everyone else here) retain and drop it to ol' big nose at WMXXI. Of course, Randy might just regain the belt tomorrow. Doubtful, considering it is in the hands of Triple H now, but hey, at least we can hope. Oh, and thank god Jericho won that ladder match! 7-time IC champ!

On a side note, that's exactly how many times Jericho has been IC champ on my copy of Here Comes The Pain.

That would be very interesting and I would be all for it

Dont make me get KoOs after you

in a sense I think Orton's loss will help build him in the future. It'll get the crowd behinf him more. As much as I hate really short title reigns like that it could serve a purpose.

As opposed to when Chris Benoit wasn't using a lot of chops? :shifty:

:roll:

Ric Flair vs. Chris Benoit

First Ever "Chops Only" match at Survivor Series

The crowd would WOOOO itself to death

Just in case some of you folks missed Unforgiven, Triple H defeated Randy Orton to win the World Heavyweight Championship.

:nono: :nono:

Bad Ratings :lol:

Crap Booking :lol:

Politics :lol:

HHH gets what he wants :lol:

Hello WCW 2000

Noooooo! :nono: :foc: :rant: figures that the Raw creative team wolud fall back to HHH wonder how Heyman feels about this?

my god

No shit, they might as well call it RAW IS NITRO

Just incase you missed the last 3 pages of this thread, NO FUCKING SHIT ASSHOLE!

Really? I thought we were watching Wrestlemania 21

Horrible Half-Witted wHore is the Champion...again. :mad:

...at least Heyman has been brought back to the SmackDown creative team.

I have to disagree with you guys, HHH is a way better champion than Orton. Orton was nothing and boring. Benoit was cool but was going nowhere. HBK is back and I rather watch another HBK/HHH fued than anything Raw have to offer. HBK and HHH is what saved Raw the last two years.

All you guys complain about Orton being champ and he's not no more.

Jericho is IC champion, is this 1999? He's been one of WWE top 5 stars ever since and he still stuck in the mid card.

Raw kinda suck right now but hopefully HHH and HBK will pick things up.

Well they can still save this whole mess by doing a double turn and have HHH drop the belt back to Orton. Orton would then lead a group of guys (i.e. Edge, Xtian, Batista like CyNick said)

Total Mark :lol:

Agreed, I mean like I said, they have to get the title back to Orton cleanly and convincingly quickly. Like next week or two.

Yeah, I mean I'll give him the fact that HBK and HHH have amazing chemistry and usually put on very good matches, but Triple H isn't the type of guy who can do a different match each week with the same person. Michaels is, but HHH isn't so they usually end up changing very little.

HHH Vs HBK has been done to death. Furthermore, HBK isn't going to be around forever. They need to start building future stars. They could have easily done that with Orton, but they decided to put the spotlight back on HHH. Look at Raw right now, and how many wrestlers appear to be LEGITIMATE main eventers.

HHH
HBK
BENOIT
Y2J
ORTON
and to a lesser extent, KANE

HBK probably won't be around in ten years.
Benoit may not be either ( gotta remember, neck problems)
Y2J was a main eventer, hasn't been in awhile.
Kane is a pseduo main eventer.

The only main eventer besides Benoit that the WWE has really built up on in the past year has been Orton. Since the last Survivor Series, the only two credible main eventers that have emerged are Benoit and Randy Orton. Building up 1 or 2 main events a year is not a good plan for the future...

THe same thing can be said for Smackdown. They've built up Eddie G, John Cena, and JBL. That's really about it. (I'm not counting Undertaker because he's been a main eventer for years.) Furthermore, Eddie G, and John Cena built themselves up a lot to the fans, to the point where WWE sort of had to get behind them.

Why would fans cheer for Randy? Because he runs away as soon as the odds are against? Or is it because he's done more at 24 than any of his "fans"? Is it because he got kicked out of Evolution? Or maybe because he dropped the title after a 4 week title reign.

Maybe if he had promo skills like a Rock or Austin I would sya he could get the fans on his side, but I dont see that in him as a face right now, so I dont see how fans will automatically go nuts for him just because he lost a match.

I think it's time to end those stupid Rock and Orton comparisons. Orton is nowhere near Rocky level(am talking about when Rock first won the title in 98).

Orton is the future and he have alot of time. Benoit is the type of wrestler who don't need the belt. Benoit generate the same heat and type of matches with or without the title. HBK is a legend but seeing him with a title is always fun. Kane is like Benoit, he don't need the title. Y2J does need the title because once the WWE see how good he is as champ,they will push him hard.

HHH is still in his prime(not for so long),why not give him the title?

Cena gets louder reaction as a heel and babyface than Orton ever did. If WWE want to push a young guy,Cena is the guy.

Maybe it's time for RVD to get his long awaited title shot.

LOL. I guess in retrospect this makes Benoit's reign the second best reign in World CHmapionship history. Not saying much though lol. Just that Benoit is the only guy not to drop the strap back to HHH.

Trips hasn't had the world title since Wrestlemania, so I don't think that anyone should be bitching at him about getting what he wants. I don't agree with giving Orton a one month run, but at least they made him look very strong by still almost winning after countless run-ins. I hope that Orton wins it back within one or two months.

Maybe not, but he's been in the main event picture since WrestleMania, definitely more so than World Champion Chris Benoit.

Backlash: HHH vs. Benoit vs. HBK
Bad Blood: HHH vs. HBK (which was placed higher on the card than Benoit vs. Kane, might I add)
Summerslam: HHH vs. Eugene (which was hyped much more than Benoit vs. Orton)

Triple H has been hogging the spotlight on RAW since Mania, starting with his feud with Shelton Benjamin and then HBK and then Eugene. It just figures that he's the World Heavyweight Champion again, since RAW is basically The Triple H Show feat. some other people.

Orton is dead, and the wave of popularity he was riding on as a heel is dead too. It's going to take some ingenius booking to get Randy over to main event status, and I just don't think Vince and co. have what it takes.

I agree with Mr Sunday. Orton is dead. He is done. He lost any chance that he had, unless they do something drastic to him, like call him "The Rock", give him a Samoan Tattoo and if he grows some sideburns.

The only thing they can do is put the belt back on him. Or turn him heel again, but I feel that they really blew it. He has no catchphrases or charisma to fall back on. He's mediocre at best. Prove me wrong WWE, prove me wrong.

He is married to the boss' daughter. He is going to have more stroke with management. Anyone in his situation would take advantage (although maybe to different degrees). Deal with it.

Wow, LC's parody entertained me a lot more than the PPV would have... they just ruined the last month of angles by having HHH go over and by having HBK bury Kane.

Well, at least SD! isn't alone in suckitude now. Seriously... who the hell does the "thinking" around here??? It would have been better to have HHH beat Benoit outright tonight for the title. Honestly.

Wow sounds pretty crappy what happened. Glad I opted to go to bed halfway through Kane/HBK.

HHH winning the title back of Orton was hardly unexpected (by me anyway), but this could help get Orton over more in the long run. Which is a goood thing.

He killed 4 careers within a year.

Not one, not two, but four careers.

Jericho - squashed him at WM 18 and he did the same at Bad Blood. Jericho's career hasn't recovered since then.

RVD - Over like rover, and was going to get the World belt, but Triple H used his power to change that decision becase "he's a better wrestler than RVD".

Kane - See RVD. And not only did he do the same to Kane, but he and Kane were involved in one of the most distasteful angles in years.

Booker T - Probably the most tragic story of all of these. Triple H not only said many subliminal racist thing towards Booker, but killed his momentum also. He was supposed to have a long feud with Booker, but his buddy Kevin Nash was getting better and Hunter opted to drop the Booker/Triple H feud for a Hunter/Nash feud, which horrible in it's own right.

Let's look at what these superstars are up to today:

Jericho - Won the IC title again, but has jobbed his ass off recently.
RVD - Jobbing on Smackdown.
Kane - Involved in yet another horrible angle with Lita and he is now unmasked.
Booker T - U.S. Champ, but never regained the momentum to get the World Title.

THANKS ALOT, TRIPLE H!!!!! WAY TO DO BUSINESS!

:y:

Yes, but only two other people have held the belt since then as well. With HHH as champ, I don't see it as a time frame ( he hasn't held the belt since..) but instead, a champion frame (who has held the belt.) HHH Has been close to being champion every other person. I'm not saying the title should be bounced around, but if two other people held it in that time frame, I wouldn't find it as annoying. Instead, the main event group seems very closed off.

I'm not happy seeing Triple H as champ but this could work for Orton, that it took all that it did to defeat him still proves that he is better than Trips.
Hopefully this could lead to a long feud where Orton finally wins at Wrestlemania, therefore giving the belt more credibility and Orton.

I just found out Orton lost the title... WOW where was the WWE even taking this whole Orton Cha,pion thing.. I mean they made a big deal that he was the youngest champion of all time and then suddenly take it away from him? Raw is making no sense what so ever. Now what Triple H will hold the title until Wrestlemania losing to Orton or something.. I don't know.. I think Orton winning last night would make him 100 times more cockier thus making his character 100 times better.

Well, the fans HATE Triple H, who beat Orton last night at Unforgiven. What I was saying was, since they hate Triple H, Orton may now get a bit more over for going against him. With Orton now dropping the belt, it's probable that he'll now start chasing for the title. I just don't see this fued ending so soon. I see it going for a long while. Benoit and HBK on the other hand, really have nothing to do right now.

Benoit has no one on Raw to fued with, neither does HBK(although he'll probably continue this angle with Kane...unfortunately). I could see Benoit and HBK teaming with Regal to take on Evolution, but that's about it. Benoit lost the belt, so he's not champion anymore, and not in the spotlight. HBK probably won't get the belt for a long time now. Who knows? Maybe the WWE has something up their sleeves for Orton-Tripe H. I doubt it, but you never know.

They'll probably have hunter prove he can beat Benoit at the next PPV.

I think at this point, the fans who actually go to the events, go to cheer for HHH because they know he's ultimately going to win. But he's dead in terms of being able to draw new fans into the fold.

Orton losing is another example of a babyface fueding with HHH who failed. Thats why the laundry list of guys like Jerihco, RVD, Kane, BT , etc never got over like they should have. Same is happening with Orton, clearly the fans aren't into him, and the fact that he lost less than a month after winning the title wont help him any.

Then all the other guys, like HBK and Benoit have fueded with HHH all year and have no value against him. So in otherwords, they've managed to make a bad situation even worse.