Artest is crazy, what is Sactown thinkin.

Couldn't be much worse than Webber?

Yeah Webber is insane

I like this trade, but i fear it will only be this year for Peja. He'll probably be gone at the end of the year unless we somehow win the Championship and he wants to stay on.

And O'Neal is pretty much out for the season with a torn groin.

If the Pacers make the playoffs and go to the second round. Give Rick Carlisle the COTY award for god sakes. He deserved it last year and this year is basically the same shit different year. God I hope Peja rekindles that fire in his fingers and lights a fire under Indy's ass, because its not looking good.

Reggie should come out of retirement.

I thought Artest hates Sacramento?

LOL this is going to be crazy...

Globe & Mail are reporting that Raptors will fire Babcock today

Good ridance

J Oneal's bad injury hurts my fantasy chances.

As good a coaching job as Carlisle taking another banged-up Pacers team into the conference semis would be, if the Pistons continue to win at a .875 clip, the "race" in COTY will be for second place.

Good for the Pacers, though. Get rid of the Artest baggage and bring in a top-level scoring threat. It's a pity that O'Neal got hurt, because an O'Neal/Peja duo would be scary. as. hell. But, at least now they have someone who can pick up the scoring they lose with O'Neal, even though he doesn't give them the inside threat.

someone gave me tix to tomorrows Celtics game, they hose Sacramento.

I'm thinking an Atrest jesey with a had that has a water bottle glued to it... :)

O'neal gone for 8 weeks.

I agree with you loop about Saunders, but man can Rick Carlisle get a break these days?

Carlisle will get his COTY one day. He's too good not to. Like you said, he probably should have got it last year. And, if the Pistons coast into the playoffs based on early season success and only come away with 60-65 wins (yeah, only), and the Pacers manage to find a way to win without JO'Neal, then he should get it this year.

WOW, Kevin McHale is probably the biggest idiot EVER.

Celtics get:
Wally Szczerbiak
Michael Olowokandi
Dwayne Jones (NBDL)
Future First Round Draft Choice

Timberwolves get
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
Marcus Banks
Justin Reed
2 second round Draft Picks

Honestly, besides the big ticket, Wally was the only one on the Wolves worth keeping. He is the only one on the whole team who can score consistantly.

The other thing, if you are going to trade Wally, trade him for somebody else. Ron Artest anybody? Come on. Ricky Davis is a head case. Mark Blount is making $6 million per year until 2010. Banks and Reed are no-names who will be out of the league soon enough. And to cap it all off, the Timberwolves, who have had two first round draft picks in the past what, seven years? WE GIVE IT UP FOR RICKY DAVIS???

On the bright side, with the recent trades, the Wolves have acquired a whole three secound round draft picks in the past few days. I bet those pan out :|

OK, in terms of Ricky Davis for Wally, it's not that bad of a trade. I would consider them pretty similarly skilled players, and Ricky has a better contract. It's the rest of the trade that gets me. The only reason I give a shit about Kandi is because he is on a contract year, but Dwayne Jones is never going to be much. What really pissed me off are the following things.

1. We gave up ANOTHER first round draft pick, when it shouldn't have been neccessary in such a trade

2. Blount is signed through 2010

Also, I find it kind of funny how Kobe isn't a winning player because he played on a team with Shaquile O'Neal, Derek Fisher, Deavan George, Rick Fox, etc. Yet, at the same time you consider Shaq to be a true champion.

Do I need to point out that those guys didn't win any championships without Kobe?

I don't care if you don't like him, thats understandable, but to insinuate that he wasn't extremely important in the three-peat is rediculous. They wouldn't have done it without him, they wouldn't have done it without Shaq, and they wouldn't have done it without the clutch roleplayers they had throughout all of that.

I think it's funny that both Minnesota fans and Boston fans hate this trade.

I really don't follow that much anymore, but from what I'm reading/hearing it's not a bad deal.

Davis hasn't been a head case since he go here, it's been a few years since he shot at his own hoop that time for the rebound to give himself a triple double.

I think in the case of Wally, it's a time for a "change" him and Davis seem very similar, and the T-wolves get a better contract in Davis. The trade off is they take Blount, who with some playing time will put up some points, he'll also screw up big time and blame everyone else, I'm glad to see him gone.

I hope Olowokandi gets motivated here and Reed has some potential, we all thought Banks did... but so far hasn't, but who knows.

The first round pick makes me happy because one thing, Danny has been good drafting.

So, I have tickets tonight... guess what player is on the ticket?

yep, Rickey Davis. :)

I just updated the rosters on my Live '06 game, and it's really weird to see Ricky Davis with that green headband in his profile pic as a Timberwolf.

...yeah, suppose that didn't really warrant a post.

VEL, in terms of the players directly involved: Wally, Kandi, Jones and Ricky, Blount, Banks, Reed, the trade doesn't look too bad. Ricky is more athletic than Wally, and Blount is better offensively than Kandi.

The problem is that Ricky Davis is likely not going to be the one to elevate the Wolves back into contention, so after all of this the Wolves end up with Blount for five more years and without yet another first round draft pick.

Kevin McHale is so stupid, he traded both Cassell and a first round DP for Marco Jaric :| and now he throws another first rounder in here. He doesn't value those things at all.

lol, Chris Andersen is out of the NBA for at least two years for drugs

Just a few notes.

1. Ricky Davis has a good night tonight, 24, 5, and 3. He also show 10-18. Mark Blount didn't do much, 4 points and 4 rebounds.

2. All season they have been saying that Rashad could be one of the top rookies in the league if he got more playing time. Tonight, in 15 minutes, he shot 8-10 and scored 18 points. You have to wonder if his potential had an impact on trading Wally.

I don't think anything else needs to be said.

Robert Horry seems to have won a few without Kobe. Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look foolish.

I didn't say Robert Horry for a reason, and it's kind of funny because he is the only example. So Robert Horry has won an NBA Championship without Shaq and Kobe, that means that Kobe is a professional loser. Very simply, Horry fits into the role of "clutch roleplayer".

What the hell are you even trying to argue? :wtf:

Chris "Birdman" Andersen got kicked out of the NBA for doing some hardcore drugs :(

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...v=st&type=lgns

I have no clue. I want to retort, but i dont know what he's trying to say.

Why isnt this a huge story? Oh that right. Its because Chris Anderson sucks. He doesnt even deserve a nickname. Someone else should be Birdman. Like Marcus Camby or something. Not Christ Fucking Anderson. Isnt this the guy that couldnt make a dont at the Dunk Contest? How do you not make a dunk at the dunk contest? This guy will be forgoten about 2 hours ago.

Nah Birdman ruled. He might have sucked, but he was entertaining. That counts for something.

Outlaw, Artest and Davis aren't even close.

Davis wouldn't even have the rep if it wasn't the that triple/double thing.

Anyway, was at the game last night and Wally looked good, he's a shooter like Davis, but takes better shots and doesn't do the through the legs crap... He seemed really pumped last night, got in the game, crowd gave him a welcome standing O, chanted "Wally" a few times, he had a good moter, hit the floor, and was getting other players going and even calmed pierce down when pierce was crying at one point...

Also, did you hear the the terms of the 1st round pick?

It's a 2008 pick, Danny Ainge said they feel based on the college talent, 2008 will be better then 2007, but there's a protection it can't be a lotto pick, if they wait till 2009, it can't be a top 10, if they wait till 2010, it can't be a top 3. If things go well for the Celts, I wouldn't be shocked to see them hold off until 2010 hoping to get a #4 pick...

Yeah, that's why I said what I said...

I know you don't like Kobe, but I can't remember if you are one of the people who said Kobe is a losing player and is a "professional loser." If you dislike Kobe, thats fine, a lot of people do. But for the people to insinuate that he had nothing to do with the three-peat and that he is a losing player are just stupid.

I pointed out how Shaquile O'Neal is considered a "winning player", despite the fact that the only time he ever won big was when his teammate was Kobe Bryant. Somebody up there mentioned Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Deavon George, all those other guys, implying that they were all winning players, yet Kobe still somehow wasn't.

Then you tried to make some big point by saying that Robert Horry has won without Kobe or Shaq on his team. You can make an argument that Horry is a "winning player," and a lot of people would agree with you, but if this roleplayer is a winning player then there is no argument that Kobe is a losing player.

And I hate people who still try to say that Kobe makes his team worse. If you watch a game, you will see that he does pass the ball, there's just one problem, his teammates suck. Think about it, the starting lineup includes Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown. The only other player of quality on his team is Odom. For his team to be in playoff contention right now has everything to do with Kobe.

Whoever says Kobe sucks is a fuckin moron...in other words

Wally has been on fire this year. I think Ainge pretty much raped his former teammate.

Like I said, in terms of Ricky Davis vs. Wally in the No. 2 slot for the Wolves, I think Davis might be a little better because of his athleticism. At the same time, I don't think Davis makes us a contender, and by no means was a first round draft pick neccessary in this trade.

LOL wtf

1. I argued that a player isn't defined by the amount of rings he has. I believe it was a TEAM effort. I don't think nor do I like when people say Shaq or Kobe were the sole factors that they won.

2. I argued, and have argued in the past, that the reason I consider Shaq a winner is because he's won everywhere he's played. Even when he was surrounded by average players (Nick Anderson, Scott Skiles, etc.) he won.

3. I've always said the Lakers wouldn't have won if Shaq and/or Kobe wouldn't have been there. I think Shaq was obviously the bigger factor, but that is another subject.

4. I'm the one that mentioned those players, but I wasn't implying that they were winning players and Kobe wasn't. You have some kind of gay love for Kobe or something because you take everything anyone says about Kobe and misconstrue it into something negative about him so you can defend him. DO I think he's a winner? When surrounded by another superstar, yes. Do I think he's selfish? Yes I do. Do I think he's one of the better players in the league? No doubt about it.

5. What does Robert Horry being a winning player have to do with people (which, I see noone in here call Kobe a professional loser besides yourself so I'm not real sure where you got it? Maybe I missed it?) saying that Kobe was a professional loser? How long had he been in the NBA before he had a championship? Three years? Most of the time guys are in the league 10 or so years before being labeled for not having rings by those people who like to say that. I am not one of them. You have to have a good supporting cast to win games. Just because Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Dan MArino, etc. don't have much help (with all the props in the word to John Stockton) doesn't mean they are professional losers.

I have a Kobe Bryant poster on my old bedroom wall from like 97-98 :$

I BELIEVE IN PEJA!!!!!!!! TAKE US TO THE PLAYOFFS PEJA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob Sanders

Jackson just got carried off the court.. I cant believe how unlucky this team has been in 2 years. Its incredible.

I:heart: Peja

Suns are about to blow this game with the Celtics

Pistons demolishing the Wolves right now. Ricky Davis actually managed to score in this game (Detroit shut him out in his last game with the Celtics), and he looks pretty good. Even though they're losing by 17 in the third, this team is better than the team that Detroit beat in Minnesota a couple of weeks ago.

The Palace is full of celebrities for this game, especially football-related celebs. Bettis, Cowher, and Roethlisberger all have front row seats (as do some players that I don't recognize without jersey numbers), and they showed Donovan McNabb shaking hands with some fans earlier.

They are seriously going to lose this.

Nevermind

Raptors almost lose an 18 point fourth quarter lead. Raptors are actually decent this year but they play the worst fourth quarter defense imaginable

I think the Raptors could be good if Peja joins them next season, which has been rumored.

Yep Kobe put up 81 on them, and i believe 28 in the 4th

eh, there are bigger needs depending on what MoPete and Mike James decide to do. Peja would probably get them into the playoffs but isn't going to make them a legit contender.

Raptors trade Jalen Rose and a first rounder to the Knicks for Antonio Davis

I like the trade for the Raptors. Davis is a valuable player that is going to help Bosh... if he reports, which wouldn't shock me if he didn't. He hated Toronto by the time he left, but it was a totally different team and system at the team. He said he wanted to move for family reasons, but who knows. He and Mitchell were also friends in Indiana so maybe he'll play for Mitchell.

The Raptors had to throw in the pick, its Denver's first rounder for this year from what I'm hearing so its going to be of little value in a weak draft.

This move puts the Raptors 10 million under the salary cap at the moment, that doesn't include Alvin Williams and Eric Williams who will be gone next year and Mike James who the Raptors will probably resign now. On top of that Antonio Davis' contract is expiring.

Don't really get the trade for New York, Rose isn't the same offensive player he was in Indiana and is pretty poor on defense, don't see Brown giving him good minutes unless he comes out looking like an offensive stud. The pick also doesn't have much value unless Denver goes into a freefall.

Wow the Warriors suck. I swear if they just went with a lineup of,

PG Baron Davis
SG Mickael Pietrus
SF Jason Richardson
PF Troy Murphy
C Andris Biedrins

...they'd make the playoffs

I was a fan of Jalen Rose and wanted the Wolves to go after him last off season, but he really had a bad start of this season. The Raptors may be starting to get things right.

A question though: I know when the Wolves gave up first rounds for Jaric and Ricky Davis, they were protected so that if the Wolves don't make the playoffs they get the pick back. Does Toronto have the same deal? It might be a little much if not.

Didn't notice if anybody posted these. Don't think so.

2006 NBA All-Star Game Starters

East
F - LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
F - Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers
C - Shaquille O'Neal, Miami Heat
G - Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers
G - Dwayne Wade, Miami Heat

West
F - Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets
F - Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
C - Yao Ming, Houston Rockets
G - Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns
G - Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers

Reserves to be named Thursday. Who do you guys think should make it?

For me:

East
Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards
Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons
Vince Carter, New Jersey Nets
Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets
Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit Pistons

West
Ray Allen, Seattle SuperSonics
Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers
Baron Davis, Golden State Warriors
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves
Rashard Lewis, Seattle SuperSonics
Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns
Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks

Yeah, I know I put three Pistons on the East team, but look at their numbers, and tell me they don't deserve it. Not to mention the fact that their team is, far and away, the best in the league right now.

You could make a case for Rip in the East as well. The starters suck though. Marion should start instead of T-Mac and anybody should start over Yao. In terms of the east, it's hard to determine who should have made it over Jermaine, but Gilbert has a case for himself.

I'd actually forgotten that O'Neal was out. So, yeah, start Rasheed at the power forward spot against Duncan, and add Rip.

No team has sent four players to an All-Star team since the '83 Sixers, btw.

My reserves:

West:
Tony Parker and Sam Cassel at the guard spots
KG and Marion at the forwards
Dirk at center
Gasol and Brand as the wildcards

East:
Arenas and Billups at the guard spots
Bosh and Howard at the forward spots
Wallace at center
Carter and Pierce as the wildcards

I dunno who to replace O'Neal, if it can be anyone then I give it to Hamilton narrowly over Redd and Kidd. If it has to be a forward then Rasheed

*Diogu

They should trade Baron Davis for Troy Hudson :y:

What s great win by the Pacers. What a tuff performance.

I dont like what Saunders said after the game though. Something about playing 4 games in 5 nights. Give me a break. Indiana is the last team you should be complaining about your schedule to.

You're talking about Jonathan Bender retiring right?

No i'm not. I could care less about Bender retiring. He hasnt done nothing and never will.

Damn, what a joke fan voting is. Melo better make the All-Star team as a reserve.

Steve Francis will be traded to Denver in the next 2 days for Nene and Earl Watson. Nene and Watson will then be shipped to the Knicks or Sonics

Apparently it's dead. Kiki refuses to address our hole at the 2 guard once again. ;(

New York times says that this is already dead but the talks were that New York got in on the trade talks

To New York:
Earl Watson
Byron Russell

To Denver:
Steve Francis
Trevor Ariza

To Orlando:
Jamal Crawford
Nene
Voshon Lenard

Magic still say that they are in talks with Sacramento, Indiana, Denver and Detroit for Francis

I hear the Sonics want Watson back..i don't understand why they let him go to begin with.

I am finally giving in. The Wolves need Marbury back.

Just found out I'm going to the Pistons/Bulls game March 8. Been a Pistons fan since I was seven years old, but I've never been to the Palace for a game.

CAN! NOT! WAIT!

Pistons just lost their second straight game. First time that's happened all year. They've lost 3 out of their last 4, too.

Ah, well. They're still head and shoulders over the rest of the league (except for Dallas and San Antonio).

Yeah i think they'll be ok.


Oh btw. I cant imagine who the Pacers would trade for Francis. Certainly not O'Neal. Sarunas and Granger are pretty much untouchable. Fred Jones lately has become a untouchable. That leaves what? Stephen Jackson? I definetly know they wont trade Peja. I think Indiana will make a serious run at signing Peja.

I doubt Indiana is in the running for Francis.

There was a rumor going around that Jermaine might be moved in the offseason, but I don't know how legit it would be. I would be shocked if they moved him for the likes of Steve Francis though.

I've been hearing the same thing , but kind of hard to believe it. And if it happend it sure as hell wouldnt be for just Steve Francis.

This team Indiana is putting on the floor is pretty fucking nice right now. They're still battered and beaten, but they can play some amazing defense and they shoot the hell out of the ball from 3.

If David Harrison can get his emotions straight this kid along with Granger, Sarunus, and Fred Jones. THis team has a shot. We've won 3 in a row. 2/3 were blowouts and the 3rd was a win against the best team in 8 years, by 9. Theirs still hope.

Sarunas' pass last night was one of the sickest things I've seen all year. That was like a Globetrotters move.

I didnt see it.. I was listening to it on the radio at work. What'd he do?

I saw it. 2sicc

I was trying to find a video highlight for you, but looks like you found it yourself.

Seriously, how do you even think of trying that?

I got the link from nba.com. Wasnt a great angle.. it was a close up from the side. I need to see a better angle to enjoy it.

Sarunas is like a Steve Nash in the making.
Granger is a Marion in the making
O'neal is out Staudamire.

Reserves came out today

Eastern reserves
Chauncey Billups, Pistons
Richard Hamilton, Pistons
Ben Wallace, Pistons
Rasheed Wallace, Pistons
Chris Bosh, Raptors
Paul Pierce, Celtics
Vince Carter, Nets

Western Reserves
Ray Allen, Sonics
Tony Parker, Spurs
Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs
Elton Brand, Clippers
Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
Kevin Garnett, Timberwolves
Shawn Marion, Suns

Only one that really jumps out at me is Allen, I expected Carmelo or maybe Paul or Cassel. I guess they will also be adding Arenas to the East team but I would love the message it would send if they gave it to Redd instead

Rasheed is on a heck of a team right now, but he's not an alstar IMO.

Chris Paul should be an allstar reguardless of whether he's a rookie or not. He's an allstar.

Melo..Should be an allstar, but i cant realy make a case unless he's a EAST allstar. Michael Redd deserves it, but for who? Rasheed imo, but people would have a problem with that.

Chris Paul not getting the nod is unbelievable.

Yeah, its all politics when it comes to the all star game.

16 points 5 rebounds 7 assist and the Hornets are contending in the West. Comon. That guy is an all star.

I don't know, what Paul has done has been good, but I wouldn't say he is one of the top three or so point guards in the West.

Melo gets shafted. Again. Apparently to make the all-star team he'll have to average 30/10/10 on a 50-0 team

Arenas.

I dunno about that, dude is sick.

Fucking Celtics though, have lost like 6 in a row. Atleast Pierce made the all star team game I guess haha

Sonics get:
F Chris Wilcox

Clippers get:
F Vladimir Radmanovic

I'll miss Vlade but I like this trade. We need to trade Evans or another one of our 100 power forewards now though.

Vlad is the f'n man, shit..but he had been wanting to be a starter for a while no? We need to trade Evans for a 3rd rounder. ( note- there is no 3rd round)

Vlad is soft as hell. They guy is a 2 in a 4's body. It's not like the Sonics are lacking 3-pt shooting. They won't miss him much.

Vlad doesn't do much for the Clippers, it doesn't seem

Yea he's soft, but it helps when a big man can shoot the 3. Except when he's on defense.

Darko was traded to the Magic today.

Darko :(

Ohhh... Now how will we know when the Pistons have given up on running up the score any further?

Well, I guess we still have Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson...

For putting together such a good team, Joe Dumars sure sucks when it comes to high draft picks. First Rodney White, now Darko.

Yeah, if Joe could draft half as well as he plays free agency and trades, the Pistons would be practically unbeatable.

Yeah the best pick Dumars ever chose was Prince in the 1st rd back in 02.

DARKO IS FREE.

Let the Revolution begin...

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Steve Francis and Steph Marbury in the same backcourt? I can't work out if Larry Brown is trying to get rid of Isiah Thomas or the other way round. There's no way those two could coexist in one backcourt!

Apparently the Knicks are trying to restart the Francis to the Nuggets talks back up. It was on TNT tonight.

If Francis and Marbury were on the same team, they'd steal the ball from each other in an effort to be the ballhog and take the shots lol