lol He's not sabotaging it, but at this rate, he better start his apology speech to stock holders for fucking it all up.

an hour isn't long enough at all

I wasn't, but good Lord I wasn't expecting that pile of garbage.

They managed to cram two RAW's worth of shit into one hour.

An hour isn't long enough? Really? I was wanting it to end pretty quickly myself. I think if they keep booking like this then an hour is too much.

That sounds familiar...

O RLY?

I think we are running into a mark vs smark situation. WWE is trying to appeal to both with ECW but instead, it is boring marks, and pissing off smarks. Yeah, I know, Capt. Obvious. Meh, whatever. I just hope this doesn't continue.

You at least have some hope that they'll let Heyman do this thing, but nope. This is like what'd happen if they merged Heyman's brain with Johnny Ace.

:(

WoW. I just had to explain to everyone here that hadn't seen the original ECW that tonight's show was NOT representative of the old company at all. They were all like, "THIS is what they've been making a stink about?".

Oh well, at least I got to educate people on the real ECW. :y:

HEDUCATE

Meh it was Justin Credible, one of the worst ECW Chmaps of all time.

Yeah, I like Credible and all. But really, he was never that great a wrestler.

He was great in tag matches but as World Champ, he honestly was boring as shit.

I always thought his matches with The great Sasuke were good.

Well Sasuke isn't a legend for nothing. Look I'm not saying he's complete Hacksaw Jim Duggan Tripe, just that he isn't this greatc fantastic former ECW champ that some seem to tout him as.

Yeah I didn't mind Credible really.

Haven't seen the show, just read through it and it sounds shite

Sounds like a shit show, don't even want to watch it on Sky whenever it is on now.

To me it just appears to be another way to promote Vengeance. Cena and Edge didn't need to be there. If this was meant to really feel like ECW coming back, they don't need WWE guys on there. I thought Heyman was going to be writing the shows? Obviously he didn't have full control.

Ha ha ha. From the PWInsider epoilers,this happend before the show:

Joey: There are children in attendence so please, keep the risky chants down... think of the children. Oh hey, now enjoy this strip routine!

In terms of being promoted as a top guy, he was. It's not much different from a guy like The Sandman, really. The Sandman will never be confused with a technical wonder in the ring, but he's a five-time former ECW World Heavyweight Champion, and known the world over as the "Extreme Icon". My thing is if Justin was good enough to win the ECW World Heavyweight Title, he should've been good enough to give Kurt a run for his money, at the very least, especially being that it was at "an ECW environment".

I just got goosebumps

Sandman's build up as an ECW Maineventer was a lot stronger than Credible's ever was.

I understand that jobbing him out was probably not the best idea in the world but then again Credible's Crediblity since the death of the real ECW has been nothing short of nil. Maybe i'm just blinded by the fact that I really don't give two shits about JC when he's no tagging with Lance.

From the sounds of the show the squashing of JC is probably the least of the worries ECW fans should have. Let us not forget this is Kurt Angle he got jobbed to, not say Chris Masters, Carlito or some other WWE midcarder.

For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been. Like I said, jobbing him out? Fine. Squashing him? That's where I have a problem with it, and mind you I'm not Justin Credible's biggest fan by a longshot.

But how did he squash him?

All Kurt did was straight mat wrestling/shooting.

He's an olympic gold medalist. It's not hard to believe that he could take someone apart on the mat without much problem, even if they are a pro-wrestler.

Just wait, kay? There are people who will give Kurt a run for his money, and I bet JC, down the line, will be one of them. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Angle/Mahoney feud, as Styles always brings up Mahoney's "high school wrestling."

Oh, okay. Someone that hasn't been on television in years and who we're supposed to see as a credible wrestler (no pun intended) is someone that Kurt can take apart without much problem, but every new talent and random jobber Kurt challenged in the Angle Invitational came within seconds of beating him? I mean, a fucking retard DID beat him, but yet he can "take apart" Justin Credible no problem? I'm sorry, but that's a huge slap in the face to ECW.

Angle Invitation Kurt was wrestling a "WWE" style.

Now he's doing more of a shoot style. Granted, he COULD have done that in WWE in theory, but the way they want you to believe it is that this is the NEW Kurt ANgle, wrestling his way, not held back, which means he's shooting, and that's his style. It's a style that pro-wrestlers aren't really used to.

Look at it this way. If someone like Chuck Liddel or misc other random MMA guy came into WWE/ECW and squashed a guy, would that be a slap in the face? HEll, Shamrock did it for awhile in WWF.

And assuming Kurt stays in "ECW" how is it a slap in their face? A wrestler who they're trying to make the face of the new ECW was shooting on a guy and choked him out.

Booking wise, this makes perfect sense.

ECW would be better if they taped it either after SmackDown, or at a house show...

Because that crowd compared to the PPV sucked.

"Kelly" (aka should be on Raw or Smackdown, as she was a fake Torrie Wilson) coming out to no retribution (like the "WWE"-like Zombie character getting destroyed by Sandman as a nice Heyman-ish tongue-in-cheek touch) sucked.

The Angle squash was pretty bad. I mean, I like Angle, but that should have been against a random jobber.

Too much "WWE" in that show... it was like the greatest fears of ECW fans put into one show.

Any time ECW fans have to be restrained in chants.... it isn't ECW.

That would have made so much sense.

Since Kelly looked very much like a "WWE" random chick, I was expecting Jazz to come out and whoop her much like Sandman does the "WWE" like gimmick characters.

It reminded me of how Taz would destroy those body builder looking wrestlers purported to be from "The WWF".

Yeah, Shamrock did the same thing to random jobbers. How's he "not being held back" when all those moves are legal in the WWE? (Even that "choke" wasn't a choke in the blatant illegal choke sense.) I'm sorry, but you're not selling me on this.

True enough, I'm just gonna go on a limb and assume that JC is not going to be an impact player in this the new ECW.

Well, if this is how he fares against the WWE's best, then I certainly hope not.

Meh, to each their own.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with it myself.

But booking wise, it makes sense. At least to me.

Likewise mostly because I think as a solo guy he's bland as shit. Now if Storm agrees to come back then we have something for him to do.

If he needs a tag team partner, he could always be paired with someone else. Don't get me wrong, as I'm a fan of Lance Storm as well. I just don't see Lance as the only possible tag team partner for the man who tells people that he's not just the coolest, nor is he just the best.

True. I was just a huge Impact Player fan heh.

actially let me ask a question when JC came out and such did they tout him as a former ECW champion and such?

This show has made me want to ban my girlfriend from wearing any WWE merchandise just so that there is one thing left that I love without a WWE logo on it. (Yup Vince already branded my penis)

When I win the euro lottery I'm buying the ECW rights and Heyman.

yes they did. Also I don't really care the Credible got squashed just merely pointing out that I thought his two matches with The great Sasuke were good.

Also about Kelly. She at least knows her role and just takes off her clothes which is much better then watching chicks like her wrestle.

from PWInsider.com

The Vampire that made a cameo outside of the Arena tonight was the former Mordecai, Kevin Fertig.

Remind me how much he spent on WCW

Last night's show was written by Paul Heyman and then put through the tweaking process by WWE creative. For those of you who thought Heyman would have some kind of creative control of the brand, you found out otherwise last night. This is a Vince McMahon production and we saw that last night. Reports backstage were that Heyman wrote the show to meet McMahon's expectations and visions of ECW.
Speaking of Heyman, people who saw him backstage told me it was pretty clear that he thought the show was a train wreck. In fact, everyone I talked to in the company felt the same way. They all knew that the show was a complete disaster and a failure.
The reason Tazz's PPV "match" with Jerry Lawler was put on the show is because the show actually ran short and they had to fill time. They also missed a few cues in the battle royal, forcing the production team to fix the mistakes in the 90 minute window that they had after the taping ended to before it aired.
Ring Announcer Steven DeAngelis was brought in to work the show but was told in the afternoon that he was not going to be used and sent home, despite the fact that WWE had told DeAngelis to come to the show and that he would be used. WWE chose to use Justin Roberts instead. I would ask why, but there wouldn't be a good answer so why bother? I think it was a really low move by WWE to DeAngelis. Then again, at least he wasn't a part of the train wreck


credit: ProWrestlingInsider
http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=18568&p=1

i am kind of glad vince did not let shane run wcw as a seprate company now, the wcw show would look like the crap we saw last night, or maby worse good they killed it and are not bringing it back.

Sucks for DeAngelis and yeah train wreck would be a good way to describe it.

didn't catch it, but read the results and it seemed like a Raw show.

yep it died 6 years ago, team 3d should have some good shoots from this.

I'm disgusted to say the least. How does one go from the awesome-ness of last years ONS, to this WWE watered down bullshit? Last nights show not only officially made me hate the new ECW, it made me not want to watch raw anymore out of shear spite towards Vince McMahon.

This years ONS was a joke, and that is including the main event. The Tazz (yes, that was not TAZ) Lawler match was a joke. I thought Taz said he had one left in him? That wasn't "ONE" that was 1/10th. All that hype (probably the best hyping of any match, worked-shoot wise) for a 15 second squash? If you can even call that a squash.

Angle vs Orton? Typical WWE style match, did you really think you could get away with doing rest holds in front of an ECW crowd? A real ECW crowd?

Sabu vs Mysterio, this match had me going, butit was too damn short. I don't mind the ending, but it should of been another 15 minutes into the match. This match was one of the few things that represented what ECW was about. Rey pulled out a few moves I wouldn't see on Smackdown and Sabu was in a homicidal state. It ended too fucking soon. At the very least, they could of gone to a 30 min time limit draw.

Edge and Foley vs Dreamer and Funk. This was what I expected, a tagmatch that degenerated into a hardcore brawl. I even expected Edge and Foley to win. As much as I hate Edge, they should of moved him and not Big Show into ECW.

FBI vs Tajiri and Super Crazy. I think the ref pissed me off more than anything. Tajiri came in to break up a pin fall and the ref was pushing him back and telling him to get back to his corner? That's not ECW!!! What the hell is that bull shit? At least the match itself was decent, although not very hardcore.

Mahoney vs Tanaka. A match I was very much looking forward to. Again, it was decent, but ended far too quickly. And with a single chair shot? I recall Tanaka taking 3 or 4 stiff chair shots from Mike Awesome lastyear. Not to mention an Awesome bomb through a table, and he still didn't stay down.

And finally, the main event. It was the crowd that made this match enjoyable, and that's it. It's a sad damn day when John fucking Cena does more hardcore moves in a match than RVD does. I don't think RVD should of squashed him, or completely dominated. It SHOULD of been a tough grueling match for both guys. That way RVD and Cena both come out looking good. Instead, we get RVD basically getting his ass beat the entire match, not doing anything he normally wouldn't do in WWE, and then not even winning cleanly. It was like saying RVD couldn't beat Cena on his own, because he was getting his ass handed to him the whole match until Edge put Cena through a table. There's always going to be that little asterisk next to that match. It pisses me off that RVD can have 40 minute marathon matches with Jerry Lynn, but he can't beat Cena by himself. Fuck that. It's like they were saying, "Well, you finally get your World Title reign Rob, but first... We decided it would be best if we kicked you in the nuts really hard".

And next we have the ECW debut on Sci-fi. I was expecting some sort redemption in the show after last nights horrid PPV, but again I was slapped in the face.

I'm not even going to address the fact that Cena got a bigger pop than RVD.

The Angle squash was BS. And not even the fact that he squashed Justin Credible, who I don't feel one way or the other about, but the fact that JC can no longer be taken seriously. It was UNNECESSARY for Angle to squash anybody. This is your first ECW show and you want to represent it by having Angle squash a former ECW champ? WTF!! Again, this was not ECW. ECW was about giving people oppurtunities that they may not get elsewhere. They could of used this platform to elevate JC, or any other ECW guy, and all they would have to do is give Angle a run for his money. We get it, Angle is a wrestling machine, how about showing me what an untamed Super Crazy can do against him?

The Zombie.... Ya know, one of the things I loved about ECW... They brung realism to wrestling. They despised gimmicks like the Boogeyman, The Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, etc. And here we are today with a fucking Zombie going against The Sandman, and a god damned Vampire set to make his debut. Fuck that. In ECW wrestling was the forefront of everything. Not some stupid ass comic book gimmick that attracts kids. The gimmicks in ECW were always very subtle and realistic. Raven was that outcast, Taz was the bad ass, RVD was the cocky arogant prick, etc. This is just BS.

And to end the show, I'm encouraged to see Sabu vs Cena again.... Didn't I just see that? Haven't we already been over that Sabu is at his best we he is working with someone that compliments his style?


All in all, this entire fucking thing is stupid. I don't know how Paul or RVD can go through with this shit and still sleep at night. Was I expecting the old school ECW? Certainly not, but I definitely was not expecting this to be a third show for the WWE. A show that is only good to hype PPV's even more and bring dumbass gimmick characters into before they move them to RAW or Smackdown. I know that ECW is dead, but we've crossed that line of straight pissing on its legacy. I was just hoping for a show that Paul E. would be in charge of, where I didn't have to deal with stupid fucking gimmicks like the Spirit Squad, and I could just watch Wrestlers wrestle.

I give it a month before the SS shows up at ECW.

I'm not going to go over all the other things that need to be done, like the showings in smaller venues and such, those have all been said in this thread already. And I really don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference.

As far as gimmicks, ECW did have its share of jokes of wrestlers. I thought the Zombie was funny, personally, and if they had a better overall show, I wouldn't have minded that "match" at all.

lmao!

Like PWInsider said, it was a train wreck.

:wtf:

The zombie was a rib on Sci Fi, cause the network wanted more supernatural characters....they didn't agree to Sandman caning an Alien

They shouldn't get THAT much input on what goes on. That's fucking ridiculous.

Quote:
<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> The original plan last night was to have Sandman come out and cane an alien, but Sci-Fi was fearful that this may turn away their (sci-fi) fanbase by having Sandman beat up on an alien, so a zombie was inserted instead.

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ROFLMAO


I thought it was obvious the zombie and vampire were ribs at the Sci Fi channel and its fans.

Poor Heyman, though. His vision has been squashed by one show. Maybe one of these days, Vince will let Heyman run his show his way. It's really stupid, really. Vince is afraid RAW will be overshadowed, but rather than improve RAW, he makes everything else worse.

What kind of logic is that?? Besides lazy logic, that is.

lol Even if Heyman gets control and the ECW show gets better...the damage is done. I'm sure a lot of people who turned on the tube and saw that last night though, 'WTF?'

This is just like that shitfest known as the XFL. It was honestly, by far, the worst wrestling show I can ever remember. TNA, WWE 2002, WCW2000, etc. all looked FAR better than that.

The Vampire is most likely going to be part of the new vampire stable in ECW, and not a joke wrestler in the way of TEH ZOMBIE.

Ok well then that changes things a bit, stupid to tout a guy as a former top guy then let him be destroyed,

Especially when it's not an age issue or anything. Justin Credible is only 31 years of age.

That was the worst fucking shit I have ever seen in my entire life. Disgusting.

Shoulda done play by play. Woulda been entertaining.

I was actually going to start doing an ECW TV report each week for the show but wow.

What the fuck was with that retarded striptease shit? What was the point of that?!!!!!!!!! FUCK SO ANGRY.

yea trips i have seen better indy shows on tv, i bet paul wishes he went to tna now he would have more control over there.

This show was like expecting a date with a really hot girl, but instead her boyfriend comes and kicks you straight in the balls

Wow, just WOW. I can't remember looking so forward to something and being so disappointed.

To start the show, why not have an impromtu-ECW style match between Edge/Cena/RVD for the Title instead of that bullshit. Start out with a SOLID meaningful match. Sabu could have interfered, kicking Cena's ass and caused RVD to get the pinfall over Cena...thus setting up Cena/Sabu for Vengance and given it some meaning. That match could have been a solid 20-30 minutes and given ECW instant momentum and credibility. Have Angle destroy the Zombie in a squash match and have Sandman/Credible/Dreamer in a cane match or something.

Then if you want to make Show look like a monster ECW style, have the battle royal..but have it be a "Last Man Not Put Through a Table Wins" battle royal. That would have been a more ECW feel than that "Yard Tard" fest we had to endure. That just reeked of WWF "hardcore" bullshit.

And Kelly...jezus, where I do I begin with that. Vermaat could have unhooked a bra faster than that. Why not have Trinity come out and destroy her, thus introducing 2 ECW chicks at once and developing some kind of feud or story-line. That was just insulting. Served no purpose and was a waste of time.

With the limited roster that they have, they need to go back to the way old school ECW shows were scheduled. Develop some story lines and have 1-2 SOLID matches that made you want to tune in the following week.

But, alas it's going to be a lost cause if they are gonna insist on taping in front of a Smackdown/WWE audience. That's fucking pointless beyond words and has been touched on by most of you guys. Christ, why not just tape Smackdown at the ECW Arena Vince? Who in the hell thought that would possibly work? I mean, they just shot ONS two days ago...why not have the first ECW show from the same venue and keep the momentum they had?

This is like a horse that broke all four legs out of the gate.

When people like Trips who don't watch wrestling anymore saw this, I doubt they'll be tuning in again. Fucking embarassment. :nono:

Yes, because anyone who is ever going to watch ECW was watching last night.

Seriously, as bad as it was last night (and it was pretty damn bad), it's not like this is the end of the brand. New people may tune in six weeks down the line thinking "Hey, I didn't know there was wrestling on Tuesday nights" and have no idea how shitty the premiere was. If they improve the product, then people will watch again.

Did anyone else find it extremely odd that RVD didn't do some type of arial move over the top rope onto Edge and Cena on the floor last night? Combine that with the lack of hardcore moves in his arsenal at ONS, it's possible (Captain Obvious here) that he is still having knee complications or that WWE is limiting his move set to avoid him reinjuring himself. Especially if he's playing such a major role in the launch of the new ECW as WWE/ECW champion. It's like they are using RVD's name and reputation to carry him through this angle rather than letting him revert back to his old style. Sure, the diehard ECW crowd may have let it fly because he won the championship, but if he continues to perform in that true ECW environment at future tapings and is the watered down WWE version of RVD...fans are gonna possibly get vocal about it.

Booking Kurt Angle vs. Justin Credible should have been easy. Angle dominates in the early going, even going as far as to get some near pins on Credible, and eventually gets the Ankle Lock on JC. The former ECW Champ crawls through the ropes, though, and gets to the floor as Angle poses thinking he has the match won. Justin Credible gets a kendo stick, however, re-enters the ring and lets Angle have it. Eventually Angle disarms Credible and puts him in the Anchor Lock and gets the former Champ to tap. Make Angle work for it.

The Sandman vs. The Zombie would have been OK. It would have been even better if The Zombie was wearing a WWE shirt, though. I lost all interest in The Sandman when he didn't have his theme music, though.

Kelly should have just fucked Paul Heyman for a job or something. Having random hot chicks around is fine, but don't give them so much time. Introduce her as a character, then have her appear as a valet for some guy.

I can understand the Battle Royal, but they should have made it bigger than what it was. Make it #1 Contender for the ECW Championship or something, then have John Cena challenge for the title shot at Vengeance. Guys like Nova and Johnny Swinger could have been in this as well. Maybe throw in some WWE guys receiving an ECW tryout? Matt Hardy, Brent Albright (I think he would be accepted if he used his real name), Rob Conway without his stupid music, etc. Having such a small Battle Royal leaves it open to error.

I would have booked the first show something like this:

-Paul Heyman opens the show and announces RVD the new ECW Champion. RVD does some crazy shit to Edge in the crowd.

-Big Show beats Big Guido with the Chokeslam. This would be a quick match, with Guido only getting some offence in due to Little Guido, Tony Mamaluke and Trinity sacrificing themselves for The FBI cause.

-Danny Doring & Roadkill give a promo as ECW Tag Team Champions, and challenge The FBI to a six-man tag team match the next week, with Big Show as the Champions' partner.

-Kurt Angle gives an open challenge, which is answered by Balls Mahoney. The two wrestle for a bit, with Angle getting the advantage. Mahoney cracks a chair over Angle's head to get control of the match. John Cena runs in and beats on Mahoney, but Stevie Richards and Justin Credible run out and beat-down Cena. Angle hits Mahoney with the Angle Slam to pick up the pinfall win.

-Mahoney challenges John Cena to a match at Vengeance. John Cena says he will accept, if it is under WWE rules.

-Paul Heyman announces tha a tournament will be held to decide the new ECW Television Champion since Rhino is happy with his new job as a retail assistant. Kelly walks into Paul Heyman's office and says she wants to be in ECW and will do anything for a job. Heyman makes some kind of crude joke.

-In a Television Tournament Match, C.W. Anderson defeats Al Snow with an Anderson Spinebuster.

-The following week has Danny Doring, Roadkill & Big Show vs. The FBI confirmed, as well as the second ECW TV Title Tournament Match. The main event of the first show wouldn't be epic, but it would be a pretty decent wrestling match, which would allow Styles and Tazz to hype confirmed appearances for the next week's show, plus it could put over the important of ECW's secondary title. Where the fuck is C.W. Anderson, anyway?

My way to "save" ECW would be to just have Kurt Angle and CM Punk wrestle in an Iron Man Match for the ECW TV Title, and give Heyman two weeks to write his way out of the rut Vinnie Mac wrote him into.

The rating for this last night was a 2.8

IMO, it's kind of pathetic how some of you are dooming this show already after one episode. If you're a real ECW fan you'll wait it out and see where it's going before saying you're never gonna watch again, which you probably will either way.

The rating came in at 2.8

Debut episodes mean a lot.

People don't have a lot of patience...maybe some fans will, but the casual fan that tried it prob won't.

Punk vs. Angle.......:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

I agree, this would have made alot of sense. Plus, waiting until the end to have Cena crash the show and clean house to win the Battle Royal would have fit perfectly with what he said he was gonna do at the end of Raw.

ECW "happens" to be a piece of shit brand that will not come back after the initial 12 week run on Sci-Fi.

Last night was MAKE IT or BREAK IT for ECW!!!!!!!!!

Was last night make it or break it? Not yet. Was last night a major wakeup call to Heyman who according to PWI even knew how bad the show was. Either stick to just having 1 night stand and that's it, or actually bring back ECW, not WWECW. They are having ECW more as a stable but I do agree if they keep putting on these terrible shows, it will get cancelled and fast.

heyman used to have the ability to turn shit nito gold but that pile of shit is beyond hisability to even begin to work on

The absolute biggest problem is that they tape in front of a fucking Smackdown crowd. It is not ECW without the ECW fans. They make like the entire show. The wrestlers all feed off the crowd. As long as it's in a WWE arena, it's gonna have a WWE atmosphere to it, not an ECW atmosphere. :rant:

Well, that is not the absolute biggest problem of the 99283298 but it's a big one. :mad:

Here is the biggest problem with the new ECW:


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naw triple A it's the biggest problem.

Vince needs to stand back from ECW.

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Also, this picture amuses me:

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Mad beady eyes.

I can't belive they are using Bodies instead of the always awesome ECW theme what the fuck

Yeah Trips that crowd sucked to high heaven. :mad:

I loved ONS but this shit made me sick.

New ECW=Joke (Elaboration)

ECW, the classic ECW, is 40% matches, 60% crowd interaction. Not blood, not angles that tried too hard to tell risky stories. It was Tanaka/Awesome trading the world title. RVD and Jerry Lynn having damn-near kung-fu battles for the TV title. Taz putting some punk to sleep. The crowd calling out a boring match, or applauding a well-timed spot. Finales where performers were executing finisher after finisher just to have a spot in the middle of the ring and pose! All that was ECW!

I'm glad I didn't fall for this new ECW like some dumb-ass fans whose pics ECW.com actually took the honor of posting on their site. I might have been insulted if I didn't see this coming. But I knew ONS 2 was the show to watch, with the first ONS being the true reunion show.

They're better off bringing back WCW.