I'm not saying for sure, just that it's a possibility.

Not really looking forward to Kate's flashback.

God.

This sounds like a downer episode today.

I bet sawyer is the con man that screwed the chick that is gonna help kate

That was already established in an earlier episode.

WELL FUCK!!!!
oh well they braught back the dinosaur

It's not a dinosuar, it's made of smoke.

DAMNIT BLITZ..... well it sounds like one... and wtf with the light thing?

Yeah Blitz. That's what I've always thought, either Predator or T-Rex was on that island. Instead we got Will O' The Wisp.

Thinking Juliet gets sent in as The Others' op/spy. She pulled off some sweet moves on kate on the opening.

Now where did Locke go?

If I were Sawyer, I would have killed Hurley.

Yeah they are pretty dumb for trusting Juliet. Good question about Locke. Guess we won't find out what happened between him and his father for a while.

I wasn't expecting much out of this episode, but it was pretty good. Love seeing the monster again.

Did anyone else think this episode was a lot like those old WIP movies that Tarantino jizzes himself over? Two girls on the run from the law, stickin' together. Then the two girls cuffed together, fighting, falling in mud... It was like Katesploitation this week.

I'm just not all that impressed with Kate's backstory. Decent episode tonight, and I liked the Sawyer subplot. I'm definitely intrigued with where they're going with the Locke story. But I just really don't care about Kate anymore, other than the fact that she's hot. She's become a pretty one-note character. I was hoping tonight would get me back into her but it was just more of the same.

i didnt like the kate's mom angle

Yeah, pretty good episode with the exception of Kate's flashback.

Oh, and now that the village is empty, all the survivors should just move in there.

They should change the name of the show to 'Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the rest of the Scrubs stuck on an Island.'

Or maybe just 'Sawyer and the Lost Crew' would work.

If he's not a main focus of whatever the main story arc is then he's hogging all the screen time in the secondary story arc, such as tonight getting conned to be nice to everyone.

This wasn't so bad when his character was interesting and he was a stubborn dick. Now that he's been completely pussified, it's pretty stupid. He can't gut a fish so he agrees to make amends with everyone? Whatever.

I think the writers totally forgot that they have another 6 to 8 people to focus on storyline wise. The episodes themselves seem to be gaining steam, but for fuck's sake, I hope they remember the rest of the ensemble of an ensemble cast.

OMG awesome ep :love:

"See you in a week"!!!

indeed... very good ep

Yeah, I called this last week.

Strange, I saw Terry O'Quinn in the credits. But no sign of him this time around.

I guess it's game on next week.

Answers and a cliffhanger ending. Good stuff.

Ok, when the fuck are people gonna start realizing that Sayid is always fucking right haha. Second, Locke needs to go. He's as useless as a screen door on a submarine and he just turned into the biggest dickhead/fuck up on the show. Sawyer needs his balls back and Jack needs to get a grip and stop being such a pansy.

P.S. that shot of Juliet eating ice cream with her naked back facing the camera :drool:

she kinda had a weird look on her face tho when she got done talking to benjamin... and she threw the gas mask so maybe shes working against the others

I think she's having reservations about her role as a spy or whatever. Thinking about turning to the survivor's side.

Good stuff. God, I just want to smack Juliet. She's so smug and shit. I love how Sayid was like "Cut the bullshit, gimme answers or I will kill your ass." I wish he and Sawyer didn't back down, but I think they did it more for Claire than worry about having a guilty conscience.

Desmond next week :love:

Sayid : Lost :: Jack : 24

"Dammit, Sawyer! There's no time!"

Lovin the season so far. Esp the Desmond storyline. What I want to know is this; the presence of the old woman, she was more or less a guide to him in the past, where he was reliving days he already has, and she was explaining no matter how much he tries, he cannot stop 'course correction'.

Now for a long time I have thought that there is a force (a person, group or power) above that of Ben and Jacob and The Others. Purely for the fact he doesn't have all the answers, he is not invincible, and the mystery of the monster and the fact that all of these people crashed on the island together.

So this old woman, is she part of a body or power that knows what has happened to Desmond after turning the key? She was there in the past with him and understands whats at stake, who is she? where she come from?


Also just seen the preview clips for the next episode, 'something is coming' - Maybe Penny with rescue? Maybe an other force coming to get rid of the losties once and for all?

I read a theory somewhere and kinda agree that Locke's father could be the very original Sawyer who conned Sawyer's family and resulted in their death, i.e he is the man he has been looking for and its Locke's con man father. That would be an awesome scene.

I hear Sawyer yell 'FINISH HIM' lol and knock Locke to the floor in the jungle in the preview.

Fucking love lost.

Not sure if it's this week or not, but an upcoming episode of Lost is going to have no flashbacks. Hoping it's this week.

With this being the last episode of the season focusing on Desmond, I think the Penny thing will definitely be addressed this week.

Well. When we last left off with Penny, some Russians down in anarctica picked up the EMP blast at the end of season 2. And she got the phone call. I wonder if she is gonna rescue him?

I dunno I mean if she arrives, that means she knows where the Island is on the global map, and if she were smart, would have people tracking her when she arrives. This would mean, even if she and her party are held against their will, the real world would be able to find them. I don't like that idea much unless 3rd season is the last which it isnt.

I think its THE BRIG thats no flashbacks. Then there is an episode call THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN - There have already been enough references to The Wizard of Oz - The name Henry Gale and the balloon thang. But I take it we might find out who the big boss man Jacob is. I have no idea. It better not be someone like Jack's father.

I've even read some people think Jack is the leader, which would be gay.

No I think that's been changed. The one that wasn't supposed to have any is now gonna have Locke flashbacks.

Yeah but they're "island flashbacks" about the time he's spent with the Others that we haven't seen, I believe.

I think that was pretty much implied :y:

Yeah, at this point it would be more of a twist if Locke's father wasn't the original Sawyer.

lol

The season finale is a Jack episode.

The next episode (tomorrow) is Desmond.

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There are no flashbacks in episode 19

Sweet. How do you guys know this? Is it just upcoming ep guides you're getting it from?

lostpedia.com is pretty good.

Yeah. I just meant this is the last Desmond episode of the season.

It's island flashbacks, like they did in the episode "Three Minutes" last season, when we saw what Michael was up to with the Others.

I just read that Desmond allows an 'unlikely nemesis' to help out a stranger to the Island. I'm guessing the stranger is the new girl they are bringing in from the outside world, the nemesis? Maybe Mikhail survived the fence?

Should be pretty interesting episode 19.

Also, for those who know/read comics: tonights episode, 'Catch-22' is written by Brian K. Vaughn (Y: The Last Man, Ex Machina, Runaways, Pride of Baghdad). Looking forward to it.

:eek:

OH MY FUCKING GOD!

I'll be back at the end of the show.

What, the Charlie thing? You had to know that was a flash forward.

Man, Kate might be an annoying character, but she sure looks good in underwear.

I knew that. That scene made me jump out of my chair.

Rosario Dawson drops in? I didn't catch the credits. But talk about your angel from above.

John Locke. Where you at?

Yeah, Ben says "See you in a week." See him next week I guess?

Nah, don't think so. Remember, each episode usually only encapsulates a day or 2 on the island. So I wouldn't expect to see the Others again until at least the season finale.

Sawyer mentioned Bernard. I wonder if we'll actually see Rose and Bernard at all this season. Maybe during the season finale.

Anyways, good ep.

everyone catch the jewelery store lady in the picture on the monks desk?

if thats true, you are one observant mother fucker

Yeah I caught that. Picture looked pretty superimposed. Good ep. Desmond = ratings. Kate almost naked = :y: Everything else dealing with Kate = :n:

Great episode. Who the fuck was that at the end?

OK so I was told that if you watch the Pilot episode, you can see the smoke monster fly past the turbine. You can get the clip and it in slow motion on YouTube and it blatantly is!!!!!

In the real footage it looks like it 'could just be' a piece of debris, but even in the slow version, its a figure that doesn't simply fly past from the course of an explosion, it swoops down then up as if it is controlling where it goes. Here is a gif with the colours altered to it can be seen better.

Maybe Desmond didn't bring the plane down, maybe it was the monster?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2...oke1208va1.gif

Even if it's not true, that looks pretty cool

I love the smoke monster. I LITERALLY LOVE IT.

What? A shadow that can not only fly through the air but descend to the ground, pass a turbine and cause it to explode, then ascend back up the the sky. Thats some fucking shadow.

It looks a bit off because the colours have been altered for every cell of the animation so the flying object can be seen better. In the real footage its more darker.

The question still remains, if its not the smoke monster, what is it? It doesn't have a random trajectory. It goes down, then up and causes the turbine to explode. Its gotta be the monster.

Has anyone re-watched the first ep to make sure that's not been messed with, as it wouldn't be too tough to animate that on the scene.

Until someone can confirm it, I'm calling it bullshit

That shadow looks way too crappy and way too easy to see to be the smoke monster.

Not saying it's not real, but if it is, it's a pretty shoddy effect.

I'll check it out now

Sweet jesus it's there

Interesting!

That episode was pretty good, and i also spotted the old lady in th photo on the Monks desk....interesting, very interesting.

Desmond was a monk! It would have been better if he turned out to be a rabid hulkamaniac, hence calling everyone Brother.

didnt the engin explode cuz some dumb ass let himself get sucked into it?

Yeah, but you see the cloud fly over as i explodes, I dont think the dude being sucked in would have exploded it

Interesting

Yeah that happened to one of them, but this was another one.

im pretty sure the producers have stated the monster makes no physical appearance in the pilot episode...and it was due to bad special effects

For the third fucking time. THE COLOURS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. The actual footage, the figure of smoke/shade, its harder to see.

Yeah I heard they also put dildos in the jungle randomly while shooting. Anyone can say shit like that fella. Put up a link.

I was 100% sure that that chick at the end was Sanjaya

And yeah, the smoke monster in the pilot has been talked about before we even knew that it was a smoke monster.

Hey, if it involved Kate I'd be all for that.

nice response douchebag...

yeah im really trying to trick you by making that up

I read that months ago, I dont remember where the hell it was from

here...this is one link I found that mentions it

http://lost.cubit.net/indexView.php?id=498

See how hard was that?

Again, its not that conclusive. Unless I see it on the Fuselage or something, or the episode that concludes otherwise, its all fanbased theory.

I just think the excuse 'an effect gone wrong' is false, since so much money, time and talent goes into the show, they wouldn't include it if they were not happy with it or what it would resonate in the future.

Like I said, its a controlled entity, a piece of debris wouldn;t fly/fall like that.

No, it's the same one

Do not bring your aggressive whiney ass shit into this thread. It's the on reasonable thread without it.

1) The theory that that is the monster is also fan-based as the producers have said nothing about it

2) This is most likely to have happened as it was in a pilot episode which is usually rushed and careless

3) They make it up AS THEY GO ALONG! Think they planned as far back as the first ep that the monster was black smoke?

4) LOL Lost isn't real!

1: True. But its still there. Still what could be considered a smoke cloud is seen dipping through the air and rising.

2: Rushed? Careless? maybe but still, if they are going to spend between $10m and $14m on the pilot alone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_%28Lost%29, they wouldn't of left it in there by mistake.

3) Yeah I heard they make up SOME elements as they go along, but due to the time spean in the show, the character connections, story arcs etc, I don't think they improvise as much as you have been lead to believe. I dunno if they thought about the black smoke since the beginning. I read the screenplay for the pilot where the monster was introduced, it described the monster as 'part mechanical, part biological and part gas/airborne' the gas/airborne wording wasn't that exactly I just can't remember. But I'm pretty sure they, from the beginning, they were not going to reveal its appearance.

4) Shut it!, shit?, really?

:)

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And by the way the changing of the story arc every week with a flashback is at the same time lazy and a stroke of genius. I don't know what to think of the Lost writers.

I think they improvise quite a lot actually.

Jack was supposed to die in the pilot. Surely they would have mapped out the entire idea before the pilot. So at some point they decided to keep Jack on AND make him the central character. Surely that meant a lot of replanning.

Ben was scheduled to appear in 4 Season 2 episodes until they liked the performance and character and kept him on. Suddenly he is the would-be leader of The Others and the central point of Season 3. So once again a change to the planned plot.

Libby and Ana Lucia were killed off due to the actresses that played them getting in trouble with the law (according to rumour). Surely they would have played bigger roles. The same was rumoured for Eko.

The whole thing with Walt seemed to take them by suprise. The oversight that the actor was aging faster than the character led to Michael and Walt being written out of the show.

It's rumoured that Nikki and Paulo were set to play bigger roles but were killed off due to public dislike of the characters.


Seems that they DO change and switch things. Seems that quite a few things are made up on the fly to me. Still...brilliant show!

:y: Exactly.

Mostly alot of the larger ideas were worked out...crash on an island that is mysterious, there is some band of others, there will be a hatch, etc...but over the course of writing it, they had to figure out who the main players would be and who would fit into where.

They can still retain the ideas while changing the interactions between the characters.

And yes Jack was supposed to die in the pilot episode, but that was well before they had really cast anyone, so its not like that was a last minute "oh hes good lets keep him"

Also, the actor who played Walt didnt want to be on the show anymore. Niether did Mr. Eko, who even requested they kill him off earlier than planned.

The biggest change the story they made I think is Nikki and Paolo. But luckily they cut the chord on them before they really got invovled.

Walt and Eko are bastards. Why would you not want to be on the biggest TV show in the world and live permanently in Hawaii? lol

I agree with that 100% but the guy I was responding to said that the character connections etc were planned. At least I think that's what he was trying to say.

Additonally it's the "tying together" that we're talking about. Shit, the outline could be as simple as you say above but at the end of the day it's about how these majot events are driven by the characters and the events that happen in their lives both prior to and since arriving on the island.

I didn't say that it was a last minute decision. I fully expect that they had very little planned out past the pilot as, as far as I am aware, the show could have been pulled after the pilot.

And I notice you didn't have a come back for the use of Ben (which was my main point really).

As I said (especially in regards to Eko) they were rumours. One of the other rumours was that the kid that played Walt was home sick and wanted to go home and that in true AAA style he didn't wanna stick around on a show too long.

But the producers could easily claim that that was their plan for them all along. I think N&P were bought in (at least in part) due to the loss of Ana Lucia, Libby and Eko. Once people disagreed with the way they were bought in and the portrayal of the character "The Powers That Be" decided to drop them.

Here's one I forgot...

Apparently once Desmond had ran off after leaving The Swan that was it for him. Due to his popularity he was brought back. Now he has this link with the island and has become one of the integral characters. How's that for an "on the fly" change of ideas?

AAA was the same with OZ. By all accounts he doesn't like being stuck on a show for too long. It seems, as did the producers of Oz, that the Lost producers managed to keep him a little longer than he wanted to stay anyway.

As for Walt, the guy's young and I dunno if his folks were there with him or not and due to the problem with him aging faster than the character I think the producers were happy to let him go rather than find a way to address the issue later on in the show.

I never said they dont make on the fly changes...I just dont think alot of the on the fly changes affect the outcome of the show that dramatically...they knew there was going to be some kind of ben character leading the others, and they decided that the henry gale character should be it...again the same with Desmond...they may have decided that there would be a character would gain these powers and enjoyed Harry Ian Cusicks performance and decided that would be the guy...the overall story arc isnt changing, its just being filled in according to who they feel as the strongest players.

LOL ok fair point Avenger. But then you can't say shit either, where is your proof that certain elements are not planned, they write 'on the spot' ey? lol everyone is quilty of this 'i read/heard/think because of...' bullshit.

Avenger, you said

......Also I love this show but if you are idiotic enough to believe that the character connections and story arcs were planned from the beginning you are more stupid than I thought . They make it up as they go along!

In response........


"In an address to "Casa del Cinema di Roma" in Italy, Damon Lindelof announced that he and JJ Abrams had initially conceived the LOST story-arc in 4 seasons. If ABC were to continue with Lost for a 5th season, both Lindelof and Abrams would possibly leave. [6] (source in Italian). "

http://www.tvblog.it/post/2524/lost-...attro-stagioni


- So there you have it, what I said is valid. In that planned 4 season arc, they have what will happen, who with and what it all means - as an initial idea, which is the opposite to what you think. That is a pre-planned big idea/plan, ok. Think its safe to assume that ideas and devices to tell the story of lost and its characters do have a core-plan, but like most things, they can/may get altered on the way.

I have also read certain elements and pieces are changed/made as they go along. What was trying to suggest, and will now is that there is a definate core story that the creators have in mind. With all the money and focus the show has, I doubt the network/production companies would be very content with such a high-profile show being a work of ideas and plans that are decided on the day of shooting on on the spot. Not to mention the obvious logistical and practical reasons of filming locations and what not.

Dunno man that's all pretty in-depth. Just watch the show, enjoy it, then shut up. :)

Whats pretty in-depth? - the 4 story arc thing? wtf?

I do watch the show, and I enjoy it very much cheers. With regards to the shut-up?...No. The hell are these 8 pages for if we can't discuss?

lol

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But is it?